Any regional Victorian stations deserving of closure?

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
6. Taradale isn't growing, nor should it be, if people want a cold area with trees, then can live in Kyenton, Castlemaine or Woodend.
7. Taradale definitly doesn't deserve a re-opening.
8. I have only ever seen 3 or 4 souls ever get off/on at little river, Pyramid hill seems a bit odd, I've only seen 8 or 9 pax get off at Yarragon, and I don't think I've seen anyone use Stratford station, at all.
9. The stations are still quiet, and people using way busier stations would much prefer if they could get to their desto sooner.
stooge spark

Fortunately we do NOT live in a dictatorship and people are free to live wherever they choose. Are you saying Taradale should have no more new residents and then when the last person there dies or moves away then it should become a ghost town because we want people to live in the larger nearby towns and in an earlier posting you recommend potential pax drive up to 20 minutes in the opposite direction to Castlemaine to catch their train.

If you polled the pax on trains serving the towns on a given line...say Gippsland and said the government is considering closing Darnum for example so your train will arrive in Melbourne 2 minutes earlier. Would you seriously consider that the selfish pax will say...that's great we have a 2 minute faster journey...but the people of Darnum and surrounding catchment lose their train service.
Most people would agree that Darnum deserves its service and the extra 2 minutes travel time is insignificant.

It seems to me you consider Pyramid Hill and the even smaller Dingee don't deserve the train to be stopping there. So by definition you advocate for the Swan Hill train to run express from Kerang to Eaglehawk, a distance of over 130Km and bypassing the catchment areas of all that distance...just to save 4 minutes.

Mike.

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
So by definition you advocate for the Swan Hill train to run express from Kerang to Eaglehawk, a distance of over 130Km and bypassing the catchment areas of all that distance...just to save 4 minutes.

Mike.
The Vinelander
The 80km/h Express!. What a grand old train it would be Laughing

BG
  stooge spark Chief Train Controller

Location: My House
[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Stratford is very close to the decent sized town of Maffra [/font][/size][/color][i][color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]plus[/font][/size][/color][/i][color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,] it's the only stop on the very long stretch between Sale and Bairnsdale, [/font][/size][/color][i][color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]plus[/font][/size][/color][/i][color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,] trains already have to slow down to walking pace for the high rickety bridge[/font][/size][/color]

[color=#000000][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI, Segoe UI, Segoe, Segoe WP, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][size=2]1. While Sale isn't closer to Maffra, it is closer overall to Melbourne, so its argueably preferable to go there.[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI, Segoe UI, Segoe, Segoe WP, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][size=2]2. Because its not like a train has toilets, water fountains, and in some cases, a cafe bar.[/size][/font][/color]
[color=#000000][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI, Segoe UI, Segoe, Segoe WP, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][size=2]3. Isn't the bridge getting an upgrade though? Or is that a different one?[/size][/font][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]That said, once the last classes have concluded at Deakin - Sherwood Park in a months time, I wouldn't object to Stooge running a dozer through the place.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]And I am happy that you don't object.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Wandong/Heathcote Junction. Both stations are very sub-standard from an infrastructure and passenger amenities perspective. Both have an accessibility problem with the adjoining standard gauge track and the sensible thing to do is close both and resite a new Wandong station south of the existing station and utilize the relatively modern pedestrian overpass to address safety and accessibility issues and provide a station with decent amenity. Effectively flip the existing station so you can access the existing car-park and still provide access to Wandong township and still be in close proximity to HJ.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]The Hj to Wandong section seems a little complex for a station, earlier in this thread it was mentioned that a train would have an easier time and would be much faster if it just stopped at HJ, rather then only stopping at Wandong, HJ isn't in that good of a position when it comes to shops.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Dingee/Pyramid Hill - Here the factors of isolation, effectively [b]no other other transport services[b] and the surrounding network i would say keep them.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Pyramid and Dingee can still get coaches to them.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]The political factors are probably the most relevant here. The last few state elections have been won and lost around public / other transport issues. The Labour party's build it and they will come approach to RFR worked a treat and it would be political suicide to start closing stations now.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI, Segoe UI, Segoe, Segoe WP, Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][size=2]I'm not that good at politics, but would closing stations in safe seats (I.E. Oven valley and Euroa) also be political suicide?[/size][/font][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Fortunately we do NOT live in a dictatorship and people are free to live wherever they choose.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Of course they can, It's just not ideal to live in such a small town.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Are you saying Taradale should have no more new residents and then when the last person there dies or moves away then it should become a ghost town because we want people to live in the larger nearby towns and in an earlier posting you recommend potential pax drive up to 20 minutes in the opposite direction to Castlemaine to catch their train.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]It's best that Taradale doesn't get too many residents, and it's much better to move to bigger towns because me of the infrastructure is already there, so you don't have to travel as much to get to shops.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Most people would agree that Darnum deserves its service and the extra 2 minutes travel time is insignificant.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Well Darnum is already closed, is pretty small and is within 10km of Warragul.[/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]It seems to me you consider Pyramid Hill and the even smaller Dingee don't deserve the train to be stopping there. So by definition you advocate for the Swan Hill train to run express from Kerang to Eaglehawk, a distance of over 130Km and bypassing the catchment areas of all that distance...just to save 4 minutes. [/font][/size][/color]


[color=#000000][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]Keep in mind the catchment has low population, and the time saved is probably more then 4 minutes.[/font][/size][/color]
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Corio.

That is all.
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Stooge, mate, I'm not sure what you're doing, but all that formatting code makes your posts unreadable. I'm interested in what you have to say, so perhaps you could try less text formatting, less quotes AND inspect how your post looks after you've hit the 'submit' button and then editing your post if necessary. Thanks. Smile
  Bogong Chief Commissioner

Location: Essendon Aerodrome circa 1980
Corio.

That is all.
Gman_86
Corio is (mostly) a low income area and a regular train service helps people escape the poverty trap and easily travel elsewhere if they want to. On that basis, having a station in Corio with frequent train services does more "public good" (for want of a better term) than a station with the same patronage in a higher income suburb.

Plus, the station serves a rather posh school with thousands of students 1 km away.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Noting the Tynong and Nar Nar Goon are suggested, I would go further to suggest that the area could be looked at more largely.   I suggest that Garfield be rebuilt with platforms the right length and potentially just out of the town on the Up side to allow for development of car parks (an at the top of the grade).  Close Nar Nar Goon, Tynong and Bunyip.   Longwarry would probably survive.  

The area has a good road adjacent to the railway and the option for commuters to travel forward and backward is good.  

The current 4km pattern of stopping ('stop all sheds') is ridiculous.  From both an absolute need and a timetable utilisation of rolling stock too.
skitz
There Is zero chance of any Government closing any stations between Drouin and Pakenham !

All the towns are well within the commuter belt, with new houses putting up all over the place.

The only way to get Traralgon trains to run express along the flat plains In that section, Is If V/Line somehow manages to establish Warragul local services ? they may need to be shuttles terminating at ether Pakenham or Dandenong.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Just a few more things:

Re: Heathcote Junc and Wandong.

Yes, theoretically you could close both, and replace them with a new Wandong station adjacent to the new pedestrian overpass, but that would cost money, several million in fact. And then their is the possible political backlash. All to save what? 2 minutes on a 90 minute journey? Yeah that doesn't fly, sorry.


Re: Stratford.

Yes, the old rickety bridge is over-due for replacement, it has long been life expired, funding was provided in the last state budget, so it will happen.

However, trains need to slow regardless of whether they are stopping at the station, due to a tight curve.

Again, add the potential for negative political backlash.

Again, to save what? 2 minutes on a 3.5 hour journey? Is that worth it? Really? I don't think so.


Re: Taradale and Elphinstone

There would be some benefit in re-opening one of these. They are both small towns yes, and like with Malmsbury not all trains would be required to stop there, but between both towns, there would almost be enough people to make it worthwhile. Add to that the fact that they are both located within a crossing loop, plenty of trains have to stop anyway.

However, While I can't speak for the political situation in those towns, I don't hear a massive call for their stations to be re-instated. The cost wouldn't be cheap, a few million at le