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  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
It has been confirmed weeks ago that the current closure will continue into January.
Interesting info I was told early this week regarding the extension of the closure.
It seems that the soil removed from the trench is being used on the new Northern Connector, and as there is a massive amount to be moved, the extra truck movements were causing traffic disruptions. So it was decided that the trucking of the soil would only be done at night. Excavated soil is being "stored" at Bowden, so double handling is happening, and hence taking longer to remove.
Went through the site today and the trenching seemed to be happening quite quickly; they obviously decided not to build the temporary diversion, has this been discussed before and I missed it!
don_dunstan
Track had been laid from Chief St to the new station last week.  Also I saw yesterday that track has been laid from Torrens Bridge down into the underpass although I wasn't able to see how far the track went.  I assume from this that the trenching phase is now complete.

The issue of the temporary diversion is interesting.  According to the development plans that were lodged in 2016 temporary tracks for all five tracks were to have been constructed through the Parklands on the south side of the rail corridor from Torrens Bridge to west of Torrens Jn.  The Port line was then to cross the existing alignment and continue on the north side of the present alignment across Park Terrace and Gibson St on temporary level crossings and rejoin the alignment at East St. The ARTC  and Gawler lines were to continue from Torrens Jn on the west side of the present tracks to rejoin the alignment south of North Adelaide Station.  Obviously this option was not proceeded with but I haven't been able so far to find out when it was abandoned or rejected.  However these temporary tracks would have restricted the use and access from the work compounds in Bonython Park and from Park Terrace to Drayton and East Sts which have been used intensively throughout the project.  Don, what was your expectation regarding the alignment of temporary tracks?  One feature of the construction which might have suggested temporary tracks was the lengths of graded hard standing that were formed to facilitate the piling along the Port line through the Parklands and adjacent to War memorial Dr E of Torrens Jn.

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  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
I have now located online the Torrens Rail Jn application report tabled at Development Assessment Commission on 15 December 2016 http://www.dac.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0005/286205/Agenda_Item_2.2.1_Report.pdf . The report contains on p3 the following statement:
In addition, the announcement of the successful tenderer has resulted in the adoption of a final scheme that has largely removed the necessity of temporary diversion tracks, and as a consequence, reduced the development footprint (and level of disturbance and tree damaging activities) within the Adelaide Parklands.
DAC
Thus the decision not to proceed with the proposed temporary diversion tracks was an outcome of the project tendering process.  The scheme that was implemented was the much reduced deviations of all 5 tracks immediately west of Torrens Jn which allowed the piling for the underpass bridge to be carried out.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Don, what was your expectation regarding the alignment of temporary tracks? One feature of the construction which might have suggested temporary tracks was the lengths of graded hard standing that were formed to facilitate the piling along the Port line through the Parklands and adjacent to War memorial Dr E of Torrens Jn.
62430
It occurred to me some time ago that it should have already been built - but I wasn't sure, there were lots of piles of stuff being stored east of the trenching work which is where you would have expected the line to be constructed.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Anyone know what the 30-40t crane was doing at Torrens Park railway station today?
Tonsley213
Yesterday I saw that a section of the ARTC track over the pedestrian underpass had been removed.  There was also vegetation removal being carried out adjacent to the Torrens Park platform.
At the Cross Rd level crossing the ARTC track was being renewed.  There was also work going on under the Main Rd bridge at Pinera.
  fairmont1998 Station Staff

Anyone know what the 30-40t crane was doing at Torrens Park railway station today?
Tonsley213
Replacement of pedestrian subway.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Anyone know what the 30-40t crane was doing at Torrens Park railway station today?
Replacement of pedestrian subway.
fairmont1998

According to the DPTI rail maitenance calendar the Torrens Park work was described as "Replacement of the pedestrian subway bridging structure".

Now that the work is completed it was possible to get a closer look today at the extent of the work.  3 concrete segments have been inserted under the ARTC track above the subway and protrude above the ballast between the SG and BG tracks.  The bridge ove r the sybway on the DPTI side had previously reconstructed during the Belair track relay as a concrete slab to which the track is directly fastened.

The subway approaches and portals show no sign of work and within the subway it looks as if part of the curved corrugated sheet which forms a false ceiling had been removed and refitted.  Also the light fittings and cabling in the subway have been renewed.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The subway approaches and portals show no sign of work and within the subway it looks as if part of the curved corrugated sheet which forms a false ceiling had been removed and refitted.  Also the light fittings and cabling in the subway have been renewed.
62430
Touching the approaches in any way would have required DPTI to bring them up to modern standards, same reason they very carefully avoided doing any work on the Goodwood pedestrian subway during any of the various rail/station works over the last ten years.

Speaking of the Goodwood subway, it looks like the overpass scheduled to replace it has been quietly cancelled. Work was scheduled to be completed in mid-late 2017, but as of extremely late 2017 (i.e. yesterday) there is no sign of even a single shovel getting anywhere near the site and the dates have been removed from the DPTI website.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I notice that North Terrace X King William will be closed for eight days from New Years day.
don_dunstan
13 days, actually. It closes late tonight and is scheduled to reopen early on the morning of Monday 15/1. Night works are scheduled to keep running through to Monday 22/1, and the tram service will keep terminating at Victoria Square for that whole time.

That period will not include installation of the two platforms at the terminus down the hill at Elder Park, they will come at some point after the Tour Down Under uses King William Road on Wednesday 17/1 and Sunday 21/1.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
I notice that North Terrace X King William will be closed for eight days from New Years day.
13 days, actually. It closes late tonight and is scheduled to reopen early on the morning of Monday 15/1. Night works are scheduled to keep running through to Monday 22/1, and the tram service will keep terminating at Victoria Square for that whole time.

That period will not include installation of the two platforms at the terminus down the hill at Elder Park, they will come at some point after the Tour Down Under uses King William Road on Wednesday 17/1 and Sunday 21/1.
justapassenger
All the equipment is ready, as of 7pm tonight - lots of excavators, cherry pickers, mobile light towers, bollards, rail, etc. stored along North Terrace. Semi trailers with various pre assembled track panels parked on the track along King William road.

Also notice that buses are now permitted to perform "Hook turns" travelling East from Currie Street into King William Street.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
JAP : Okay I thought it was a bit over a week - much longer than that then.

Pressman: Yeah I'll have to remember not to take buses to the city for the duration - my local route goes down KW, it'll be chaos.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Yeah I'll have to remember not to take buses to the city for the duration - my local route goes down KW, it'll be chaos.
don_dunstan
Most of the King William St routes are going via Morphett St as far as Currie St (for routes that exit the city via Unley Rd, Hutt St or King William Rd, using the temporary hook turn mentioned above to rejoin King William St) or all the way to Grote St (routes that go south via Sir Donald Bradman Dr, Anzac Hwy or Goodwood Rd) instead.

Transport for the Strikers BBL match next Tuesday is going to be insane with the OH/G train lines still not yet back in service, no trams north of Victoria Square, most AO/AOX buses unable to use the normal departure zones along King William Road, buses scheduled to use War Memorial Drive as a diversion having to find a diversion for the diversion, and a big obstruction to other pedestrian routes.

With that in mind, I have just spent the evening doing some basic restoration work on an old beater of a bike for a mate to use for said BBL match. Cycling is always the best bet for getting to/from Adelaide Oval as it offers excellent parking options and the fastest route away at the end of the match (and no 0.05 limit Smile) but that will offer twice as much advantage as usual next week.
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

The subway approaches and portals show no sign of work and within the subway it looks as if part of the curved corrugated sheet which forms a false ceiling had been removed and refitted.  Also the light fittings and cabling in the subway have been renewed.
Touching the approaches in any way would have required DPTI to bring them up to modern standards, same reason they very carefully avoided doing any work on the Goodwood pedestrian subway during any of the various rail/station works over the last ten years.

Speaking of the Goodwood subway, it looks like the overpass scheduled to replace it has been quietly cancelled. Work was scheduled to be completed in mid-late 2017, but as of extremely late 2017 (i.e. yesterday) there is no sign of even a single shovel getting anywhere near the site and the dates have been removed from the DPTI website.
justapassenger
Interesting. Any idea what happened to the budgeted upgrade of the City South tram stop?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Speaking of the Goodwood subway, it looks like the overpass scheduled to replace it has been quietly cancelled. Work was scheduled to be completed in mid-late 2017, but as of extremely late 2017 (i.e. yesterday) there is no sign of even a single shovel getting anywhere near the site and the dates have been removed from the DPTI website.
justapassenger
Interesting. Any idea what happened to the budgeted upgrade of the City South tram stop?
normangerman
I didn't think that had actually been budgeted, last time I heard the state and council were in a stalemate over who was going to pay for it.

While we're on the topic of what is not happening, the state budget also included money for improved frequency train services (half-hourly night services to Seaford, Belair, Outer Harbor and Gawler, half-hourly weekend/holiday services to Belair) and we are now into the second half of the financial year without them starting yet.
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

Speaking of the Goodwood subway, it looks like the overpass scheduled to replace it has been quietly cancelled. Work was scheduled to be completed in mid-late 2017, but as of extremely late 2017 (i.e. yesterday) there is no sign of even a single shovel getting anywhere near the site and the dates have been removed from the DPTI website.
Interesting. Any idea what happened to the budgeted upgrade of the City South tram stop?
I didn't think that had actually been budgeted, last time I heard the state and council were in a stalemate over who was going to pay for it.

While we're on the topic of what is not happening, the state budget also included money for improved frequency train services (half-hourly night services to Seaford, Belair, Outer Harbor and Gawler, half-hourly weekend/holiday services to Belair) and we are now into the second half of the financial year without them starting yet.
justapassenger
From what I remember, York and Downer, who are doing the East End extension, also won the tender for the City South stop.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I had a friend visit from interstate over the break (former SA resident) who was really impressed by all the work going on in 'little old Adelaide' but then commented 'where is the money coming from?'. I just shrugged my shoulders.

Actually along with the Goodwood overpass I think the Salisbury electrification has also been quietly shelved (again)? Drove past the other day and noticed still nothing happening along the corridor.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

I had a friend visit from interstate over the break (former SA resident) who was really impressed by all the work going on in 'little old Adelaide' but then commented 'where is the money coming from?'. I just shrugged my shoulders.

Actually along with the Goodwood overpass I think the Salisbury electrification has also been quietly shelved (again)? Drove past the other day and noticed still nothing happening along the corridor.
don_dunstan
This might be because of the trackwork involved in building the Outer Harbor dive and associated track swapping needed to get everything into the right place first. Concentrate on one thing at time without having people stumbling all over each other trying to do different things! Just saying as it would make a bit of sense!
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
I had a friend visit from interstate over the break (former SA resident) who was really impressed by all the work going on in 'little old Adelaide' but then commented 'where is the money coming from?'. I just shrugged my shoulders.

Actually along with the Goodwood overpass I think the Salisbury electrification has also been quietly shelved (again)? Drove past the other day and noticed still nothing happening along the corridor.
don_dunstan
Footings for the masts to support the wires have been installed in the immediate vicinity of the diverted Gawler line at Torrens Junction.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Actually along with the Goodwood overpass I think the Salisbury electrification has also been quietly shelved (again)? Drove past the other day and noticed still nothing happening along the corridor.
don_dunstan
Gawler electrification is still a goer, a lot of behind the scenes work and service relocation is where it's up to at this point. A guy I know at SA Power Networks is working almost exclusively on that at the moment.

Electrification is funded all the way to Gawler now (over three years) with a second tranche of EMUs to be ordered. Still only planned to be three cars per unit at this time, but it would make sense to add on an order for some trailer cars to lengthen existing units to four cars since DPTI still appear to be dogmatically opposed to running double consists.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Gawler electrification is still a goer, a lot of behind the scenes work and service relocation is where it's up to at this point. A guy I know at SA Power Networks is working almost exclusively on that at the moment.

Electrification is funded all the way to Gawler now (over three years) with a second tranche of EMUs to be ordered. Still only planned to be three cars per unit at this time, but it would make sense to add on an order for some trailer cars to lengthen existing units to four cars since DPTI still appear to be dogmatically opposed to running double consists.
justapassenger
Normally see the line around the Kilburn area and I haven't seen any sign of work on it yet.

Three cars to four would make sense as a single consist of three or four cars would suit 100% of the stations in the Adelaide network whereas 2 X 3 consist means not every station is long enough for you to stop. I think DPTI also got frightened after that incident where the footy train got stuck in the underpass... oh no, something could go wrong!
  Halo Chief Train Controller

Wasn't the 22 cars supposed to be enough for both Gawler and Seaford (even though it hasn't been).
When Gawler was shelved they tried, and failed, to cut back the order somewhat.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Wasn't the 22 cars supposed to be enough for both Gawler and Seaford (even though it hasn't been).
When Gawler was shelved they tried, and failed, to cut back the order somewhat.
Halo
The 22 EMU sets together with conversion of most of the DEMU fleets were considered to be enough to cover the entire  Seaford and Gawler services.  The existing EMUs are probably sufficient to cover Seaford, Tonsley (with Flinders extension) and Salisbury services. The completion of the electrification beyond Salisbury would likely occur no earlier than the mid-2020s by which time the DEMUs will be between 30 and 40 years old and would not be economical to convert. Thus new EMUs would be required for the later stage of the Gawler electrification.

You are correct: there was an unsuccessful attempt to cut back the size of the EMU order.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Wasn't the 22 cars supposed to be enough for both Gawler and Seaford (even though it hasn't been).
When Gawler was shelved they tried, and failed, to cut back the order somewhat.
Halo
I thought the original concept was for 22 new sets plus a number of 3000/3100 conversions, obviously the 3000/3100 conversions have been quietly backed away from.
I believe of the current 22 4000 class sets there are 6 (or is it 8 ) sets surplus to what's needed for the Seaford run.
It seems a few 4000 sets are always 'parked' at Dry Creek, (seen from the Port expressway)
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Gawler electrification is still a goer, a lot of behind the scenes work and service relocation is where it's up to at this point. A guy I know at SA Power Networks is working almost exclusively on that at the moment.

Electrification is funded all the way to Gawler now (over three years) with a second tranche of EMUs to be ordered. Still only planned to be three cars per unit at this time, but it would make sense to add on an order for some trailer cars to lengthen existing units to four cars since DPTI still appear to be dogmatically opposed to running double consists.
Normally see the line around the Kilburn area and I haven't seen any sign of work on it yet.

Three cars to four would make sense as a single consist of three or four cars would suit 100% of the stations in the Adelaide network whereas 2 X 3 consist means not every station is long enough for you to stop. I think DPTI also got frightened after that incident where the footy train got stuck in the underpass... oh no, something could go wrong!
don_dunstan
The timeline for Stage 1 (Adelaide - Salisbury) of the Gawler electrification was/is:
  • May 2017 - expressions of interest called for.
  • Late 2017 - at least two tender bids appeared online
  •    (1) Laing O'Rourke/AECOM  (2/3rds of the Torrens Junction consortium)
  •    (2) LendLease
  • Tender announcement expected December 2017
  • Early 2018 - works to commence
  • 2020 - completion

As previously announced Stage 1 woukld include an electrification substation at Kilburn fed by SA Power Networks.

Has there been a formal announcement of budget funding for Stage 2?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I thought the original concept was for 22 new sets plus a number of 3000/3100 conversions, obviously the 3000/3100 conversions have been quietly backed away from.
Pressman
Correct.

The commitment in the budget to go for new-build when the extra funding comes is welcome news, because it means the last part of the big rail w@nk from Rann's 2010 election campaign is finally dead and buried. Just to hammer it home, the budget also included immediate spending on more DEMU powertrain refurbishments.

It would seem that the plan now is to extend the life of the DEMU fleet to keep them going longer (with a lower duty cycle as Gawler services are taken over by EMUs) and therefore delay the tipping point when the Belair line would have to be electrified, closed or downgraded to a Mitcham tram line. By the time the DEMUs are finally life-expired, nobody will be building new diesel-powered multiple units any longer and the most economic option for maintaining a service would be to wire up most of the line and have an IPEMU (Independent Power Electric Multiple Unit, i.e. an EMU with batteries and/or supercapacitors for the bits without wires) fleet. IPEMUs would be good for the other lines too, you could get away without wiring through the golf course on the way to Grange and trains could get to the next station if the wind stops blowing and a cloud drifts across at the same time.

Let's hope the second tranche of EMUs have more probity in the awarding of the contract and a requirement for local content - interior fitout and installation of systems at the least should be required to be done in SA.

I believe of the current 22 4000 class sets there are 6 (or is it 8 ) sets surplus to what's needed for the Seaford run.
It seems a few 4000 sets are always 'parked' at Dry Creek, (seen from the Port expressway)
Pressman
16 A-City units are needed for the Seaford/Tonsley service every day, possibly 17 depending on how well things are managed at Adelaide station in the peaks. That leaves a couple down for routine preventative maintenance and 3-4 surplus.

If we assume that the increased Flinders service takes an extra unit, that leaves just 2-3 available for the Salisbury runs during the peaks. Off-peak Salisbury runs could easily be all-electric (using some of the A-City units which sit idle in the city between Seaford commuter peak extras) but Salisbury runs during the peaks would need to be timed for diesels.

The timeline for Stage 1 (Adelaide - Salisbury) of the Gawler electrification was/is:
  • May 2017 - expressions of interest called for.
  • Late 2017 - at least two tender bids appeared online
  •    (1) Laing O'Rourke/AECOM  (2/3rds of the Torrens Junction consortium)
  •    (2) LendLease
  • Tender announcement expected December 2017
  • Early 2018 - works to commence
  • 2020 - completion

As previously announced Stage 1 woukld include an electrification substation at Kilburn fed by SA Power Networks.

Has there been a formal announcement of budget funding for Stage 2?
62430
Funds allocated in the last state budget, project will get the green light as soon as Federal funds are added on top. If the paperwork has been done right, that should be in this year's federal budget.

Regardless of that requirement for Federal funds, I'm reliably informed that the early engagement with SAPN for Stage 1 covers preparatory works over the whole corridor to Gawler.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Well as from tomorrow trains should be running on the Outer Harbor line and Grange lines to do a few things all at once so to speak. The first thing is for driver training through the new dive under in the parklands, the second is to clean the rail head of the coating of rust on it, and thirdly it is to check and if necessary get any of the bugs out of the system should any happen. Also to test running on the new entry into Adelaide as well as the Outer Harbor line and the North Line to Gawler have swapped places after the Torrens bridges. So when that is all done and ticked off, the public should then get their first ride from the first train on next Monday morning the 15 th of January. People have been warned by Adelaide Metro to be vigilant near rail crossing's for the next few days as testing probably will not run to the public timetable only when they need to or have to.

Hopefully come Monday things should be back to some kind of normal.

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