Steamrail To Cancel Hitachi Preservation

 
  ogigacz Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Just wondering if anyone had any info on the remaining Hitachi sets in storage? I had heard a couple of rumours that all sets in storage including Elecrail's set is up for the scrap heap as they are not interested in keeping it. I can't believe that to be true to be honest.


Surely at least one 6 car set will be kept for preservation.

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Arhs Vic has one a set I think, though I believe Elecrail Leased that one set to metro and connex and was refurbished in 2008. I would be surprised by this too
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
There was a rumor that some/all were to be transferred to Bendigo, presumably to the workshops. I can't imagine any other reason than scrapping them for doing so, but then again it would cost a few dollars just for the transfer so it would make more sense to do so in Melbourne than Bendigo.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
all ex metro Hitachis have transferred to long term storage in Bendigo,
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
all ex metro Hitachis have transferred to long term storage in Bendigo,
Dangersdan707
Thanks Dangersdan707, i am yet to see any photos of the transfers so I didn't think it had occurred yet. Strange they're being stored rather than scrapped as they won't be coming back in revenue service.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
they won't be coming back in revenue service
now where have I heard that before....
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
It is safe to say they certainly will not be returned to revenue service.

They lasted much longer than they were supposed to, and are now safely in the hands of the bean counters. Rest assured they will be scrapped when the commodity prices dictate that their is some value in scrapping them.

It's a similar story as Pacific National's stored mainline BG locomotives. They won't be selling them, but that doesn't mean we are likely to ever see A78, X42 or S306 running a train any time soon. Its just a matter of the accountants saying now is the time to scrap them.

As for Elecrail's set, that is a different story. I can not say what the fate is for this set, I don't know where it is, or who has responsiblity for it.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
It's a similar story as Pacific National's stored mainline BG locomotives. They won't be selling them, but that doesn't mean we are likely to ever see A78, X42 or S306 running a train any time soon. Its just a matter of the accountants saying now is the time to scrap them.
they just sold an X to SRHC though! forgot which one though, know that its a second series one though.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
I'm fairly sure Elecrail wouldn't be scrapping their 6 car set (295M etc.) - the carriages they acquired were all unique and remarshalled for that reason. IIRC 295M (7M), 281M (89M) and 282M (99M) had the trial open cab layouts, while 296M (225M) was the only M car with a rear mounted pantograph to be upgraded to lead trains after guards were abolished aka SPOT/single person on trains (all four cars in the set are upgraded, although the middle two were put out of use due to Metro only retrofitting the outer ends with the new air conditioning and offside wipers). 1946T is a standard T car, while 1994T is a former D car with the cab intact (I think this one also has the original 1970s nose door intact too).

Let's hope Elecrail can also grab another T car to sit between 80M and 222M and lots of spare parts (the Harris greaser still needs some compressors I believe, whether or not Hitachi ones are compatible - while it isn't original to the 1950s, some Harris trains also ended up with Hitachi seats (the bases were painted blue rather than yellow) in the latter years so these would technically still be correct).
  max_thum Station Master

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
all ex metro Hitachis have transferred to long term storage in Bendigo,
Dangersdan707

If I'm not mistaken, there hasn't been a transfer for the hitachi trains just yet. I got told there was SSR driver training trains operating to Bendigo prior to the transfer days which are coming up in some point.

*I'm happy to be proven wrong but this is based on the information I have.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

all ex metro Hitachis have transferred to long term storage in Bendigo,

If I'm not mistaken, there hasn't been a transfer for the hitachi trains just yet. I got told there was SSR driver training trains operating to Bendigo prior to the transfer days which are coming up in some point.

*I'm happy to be proven wrong but this is based on the information I have.
max_thum
That sounds right.  Driver training occurred last week with 2x T-Class running light engine. Can confirm there are no Hitachi's in Bendigo at present (except for power tools).
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
It's a similar story as Pacific National's stored mainline BG locomotives. They won't be selling them, but that doesn't mean we are likely to ever see A78, X42 or S306 running a train any time soon. Its just a matter of the accountants saying now is the time to scrap them.
they just sold an X to SRHC though! forgot which one though, know that its a second series one though.
Dangersdan707
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  ogigacz Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The latest rumour is that the board of Steamrail have voted to cancel Hitachi preservation. Can anyone shed any light on this?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Sounds like you're using Cunningham's Law to engage in a fishing expedition...
  ogigacz Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Peter Bergin is the one spreading the rumour...

the Board of Steamrail have voted to cancel Hitachi train preservation.

I'm given to understand that is the principal (unofficial) concern of the Board. Instead, many different reasons are given for not retaining these carriages, most of the reasons relating to financial concerns about their viability.

The six car set is due to be moved from the garden platform shortly. It may be split and three cars may be parked outside West Block during the next Steamrail Open Day on 10 March. However, due to extensive graffiti damage to the train, it's likely the preservation group will not allow public access during the event. If all Hitachi carriages are indeed to be sold off shortly, there's no point in letting the public see them up close beforehand. I reckon that's the attitude. What a talked about train this one is to become.

it's best that you make an appointment with Steamrail before going to view the train. The preservation group is no longer happy for people to just turn up and wander around what is an active yard with moving trains. It's best to state your purpose in the first instance. Be aware that as the Hitachi train is a rather unpopular asset with management, your visit may be met with stares and comments by other workers who have not been briefed about your visit. Par for the course when you're a Hitachi enthusiast. The only place where you are likely to get a more favourable reception is at the Railway Museum, which actively promotes its Hitachi carriage as a vehicle worth inspecting during its open days.

These were all posted to the Railways - Melbourne & Country Victoria facebook group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/railwaysmelbournecountryvictoria/
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
That's going to hurt if it's true. Rail preservation in Melbourne is officially a joke, and not because of these Hitachi trains. Just because 187M is stuffed and mounted in a museum doesn't mean that it is preserved, and one carriage is not a train anyway. The museum itself is the size of a suburban backyard and not a single carriage can be ridden in since they don't actually move. What the ARHS has at 26 Champion Rd is nothing but taxidermy, when a family wants to see a proper rail museum they visit Puffing Billy or wait for the next Steamrail special as everything else in Victoria (including preserved trams) is in the bush away from decent public transport, and requires several hours to get there and back.

Someone might want to set up a Kickstarter campaign (or similar) to save the last of Melbourne's electric locos (not only L1162 but the E classes as well) and the Harris greaser before they too end up in the cat food aisle in Coles, as I have a feeling under current management the only thing with a pantograph that will be retained will be the Tait set.
  ogigacz Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well several Steamrail volunteers today confirmed this to be true...

Steamrail volunteer. Alas the board has voted it is not in Steamrails interest to keep the Hitachi motors. Decisions as their future are still being made. At best a 3 car set will be kept, at worst no Hitachis will be kept.
Daniel William


I can back up the last I have read that a three car will go in to east block and a three car will go to west. There was a group of of people trying to work on them. There’s so much u can keep and have. But there’s only a few wanting to work on them so why have them.
Michael Dee


https://www.facebook.com/groups/VictorianRailwayEnthusiasts/permalink/1589126671123349
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
god that is disappointing.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

a box of tissues are rather cheap these days, looking at the comments several packets will be required.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Three hearty cheers for the Rumour Mill - it keeps so many people happy.Rolling Eyes
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Hooray hooray.... Opps sarcasm
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Well several Steamrail volunteers today confirmed this to be true...

Steamrail volunteer. Alas the board has voted it is not in Steamrails interest to keep the Hitachi motors. Decisions as their future are still being made. At best a 3 car set will be kept, at worst no Hitachis will be kept.


I can back up the last I have read that a three car will go in to east block and a three car will go to west. There was a group of of people trying to work on them. There’s so much u can keep and have. But there’s only a few wanting to work on them so why have them.


https://www.facebook.com/groups/VictorianRailwayEnthusiasts/permalink/1589126671123349
ogigacz
The gossip out of the heritage groups is usually only ever partially true. This Steamrail member will wait for an official communication on the subject. If accurate, it will be disappointing, but all the preservation groups are facing the cant preserve everything argument. The time its taken the tait to get where it is has been considerable, and it could be a while yet before it can travel the network under its own power, never mind anything else they have in the yard and looking to get going.
  silvertrain80 Junior Train Controller

Location: stabled at newport
What about 80m and 222m? Nothing has happen to them, beside being vandalized.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
They will probably have the same fate, even though they were retained for so many years due to being mostly unmodified since new (the only non-standard parts were the seat cushions and covers, when they were replaced with the more familiar Comeng tartan ones in the 80s).

277M (9M) could have been another preservation candidate, in that it was upgraded in the 90s to lead trains but never received the Connex/Metro modifications - this one was one of the rare 3 car upgraded sets, however in its latter days (2000s until withdrawal) it was relegated to a centre motor as it was coupled to 233M (300M), which could not be uncoupled as 233M could not lead trains and there were no other 3 car modified Hitachi sets to couple with (some Hitachi sets were remarshalled before being withdrawn, as the 300M set was eventually coupled to an unmodified motor). There is a photo somewhere of 277M temporarily leading the 3 car set in a siding in the Metro era, with the front being completely silver and no desto equipment installed, however it has the telltale SPOT upgrades such as the thick aluminium-framed windscreens, round air conditioning pods on the roof and the sliding side window.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
We're talking preservation of electric suburban carriages, and whether Steamrail will do this with the Hitachi stock.

The Elecrail division of Steamrail did a fantastic job on the Tait and dog box cars. We know what happened to the dog boxes, and the Tait set hasn't turned a wheel under its own power since cocky was an egg.

Steamrail's raison d'etre is to restore and operate historic trains, and its record in doing this, since the original days of the Steam Preservation Coordinating Committee, is absolutely magnificent. The operating fleet is nothing short of superb.

I cannot see any reason for Steamrail to preserve Hitachi carriages, given the fact that it is easier to run the preserved electric stock from Cairns to Singapore than it is to run it on any Victorian (Metro) lines. In other words, the Hitachi stock is destined to become stationary exhibits, more suited to a museum. Preservation costs money, and I suggest Steamrail has plenty of priorities ahead of any more electrics.

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