Mildura Standard Gauge conversion

 
  Z VAN Junior Train Controller

Thank you Donald and Mundrablla regards the photograph of the hopper in the background.
When I saw it last night for an instant it looked like G 1 that was scrapped forty five years ago however when i zoomed in it did not.
That is why I asked the question do you know the code.
On reflection it looks like the hopper that use to be on Echuca wharf and somewhere in my mind several items there were removed.
I do agree it does not look like a standard O/ON hopper.
All part of the fun of looking at the background of photographs to pick up unusual or items that were not the feature/focus of the photographer.
Thank you again, PTE.

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  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
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View of the track south from Avon Plains Rd.  Just south of Donald.

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Tamper at the north end of the Donald loop


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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Looking good.

PS you need to go into the photo stream to see them team.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Thanks James
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
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Then go to photostream.   Latest photo is of the south end of the Donald loop.   The main line is on the right and the left line goes to the grain sub-terminal.   As yet has not been converted from BG, but new set of points indicates that it will occur.

The passing line of the loop has had the required sleepers replaced, but the ballast machines have not been over it yet, as opposed to the main line that looks like it is ready to go.

The station siding loops that have had sleepers replaced several weeks ago still do not have plates between the new sleepers and the track.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Does anyone have a good idea of how complete this project stage  is?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Does anyone have a good idea of how complete this project stage  is?
james.au
Still many km of track requires ballasting between Elmhurst and Amphitheatre.

The Avoca based ballast train is now at the Pyrenees Hwy crossing just outside Maryborough, so a good chance of this making it to Maryborough by the weekend (and further if it wants to add some shine to the SG rail to Dunolly and beyond).

1st Feb is being kicked around as a possible date for SG trains to Mildura.  I somehow think that date will pass by...
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
How does it look north of Maryborough?  Is the main line at least up and running?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
The heaviest vehicles on the line around Donald would be the ballast trucks - 3 small trucks with rail guides that have been doing the work of ballast trains.   Next would be the tamper!
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Perhaps this stage of the project will still be going when the next stage is due to start....
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Perhaps this stage of the project will still be going when the next stage is due to start....
james.au
I think they'll be some overlap (SG and BG trains on Maryborough to Dunolly section).  But only for a few weeks.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Perhaps this stage of the project will still be going when the next stage is due to start....
I think they'll be some overlap (SG and BG trains on Maryborough to Dunolly section).  But only for a few weeks.
Carnot

I hope that there is a video recording of some of this!
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Given this standardization of Mildura - Maryborough, and re-building of  Maryborough - Ararat is going to take at least 5 months (so at least 1 month late) , one can be sure that Stage 3  standardizing the other two branches North of Dunolly will NOT start until such time as the Stage 2 works are complete, open and operating as smoothly as they can on somewhat reduced infrastructure.  In any case with Stage 2 interim opening all trains will have to works West of Ararat to reverse at Pyrenees Loop as the new direct connection towards Maroona at Ararat is apparently still  some months away . Usual delays with signalling  design and acquisition presumably .  All of this avoidable as this aspect of the project was locked in years ago, and all the signal design and equipment acquisition should have occurred early last year . Also the Ararat - Maryborough rebuild could have and should have started much earlier in 2017 as a track out of use it did not have to wait till August 2017 .

NB:  AN  standardized  Gheringhap to Adelaide in  6 weeks back in 1995  , a much greater distance .
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
The Economist had a recent article about global industrial productivity showing how many industries had vastly improved their productivity, eg agriculture, transport, etc etc.  The major standout is the construction industry where it has gone backwards, ie become less productive in the same time.  I guess this project is another datapoint supporting their analysis...
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Given this standardization of Mildura - Maryborough, and re-building of  Maryborough - Ararat is going to take at least 5 months (so at least 1 month late) , one can be sure that Stage 3  standardizing the other two branches North of Dunolly will NOT start until such time as the Stage 2 works are complete, open and operating as smoothly as they can on somewhat reduced infrastructure.  In any case with Stage 2 interim opening all trains will have to works West of Ararat to reverse at Pyrenees Loop as the new direct connection towards Maroona at Ararat is apparently still  some months away . Usual delays with signalling  design and acquisition presumably .  All of this avoidable as this aspect of the project was locked in years ago, and all the signal design and equipment acquisition should have occurred early last year . Also the Ararat - Maryborough rebuild could have and should have started much earlier in 2017 as a track out of use it did not have to wait till August 2017 .

NB:  AN  standardized  Gheringhap to Adelaide in  6 weeks back in 1995  , a much greater distance .
kuldalai
The Western main line was no where near as poor condition as the Mildura line.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
NB:  AN  standardized  Gheringhap to Adelaide in  6 weeks back in 1995  , a much greater distance .
kuldalai
I'm guessing you mean Wolseley to Adelaide !

Gheringhap - Maroona line was out of action for many Months.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

NB:  AN  standardized  Gheringhap to Adelaide in  6 weeks back in 1995  , a much greater distance .
I'm guessing you mean Wolseley to Adelaide !

Gheringhap - Maroona line was out of action for many Months.
Nightfire
What about Ararat-Serviceton (or Wolseley) - how long did that take. I don't recall the western line being shut for many months. BG trains ran via Pinnaroo for just a few weeks, and then SG trains ran Adelaide-Melbourne.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
NB:  AN  standardized  Gheringhap to Adelaide in  6 weeks back in 1995  , a much greater distance .
What about Ararat-Serviceton (or Wolseley) - how long did that take. I don't recall the western line being shut for many months. BG trains ran via Pinnaroo for just a few weeks, and then SG trains ran Adelaide-Melbourne.
duttonbay
Ararat to Murtoa broad gauge closed on the 14th April 1995 and reopened 12 days later as standard gauge.

Australian National had done a lot of preparation work for gauge conversion on their side of the boarder, by relaying their track with gauge convertible concrete sleepers, all that had to do (with the mainline) was unclip one rail, slew It 165mm over and refasten the rail In the new position.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

NB:  AN  standardized  Gheringhap to Adelaide in  6 weeks back in 1995  , a much greater distance .
What about Ararat-Serviceton (or Wolseley) - how long did that take. I don't recall the western line being shut for many months. BG trains ran via Pinnaroo for just a few weeks, and then SG trains ran Adelaide-Melbourne.
Ararat to Murtoa broad gauge closed on the 14th April 1995 and reopened 12 days later as standard gauge.

Australian National had done a lot of preparation work for gauge conversion on their side of the boarder, by relaying their track with gauge convertible concrete sleepers, all that had to do (with the mainline) was unclip one rail, slew It 165mm over and refasten the rail In the new position.
Nightfire
They had a little rail thread trolley device for doing this.  It was not perfect but for the most of it, it worked fine.   Kicking the rail across is the easy bit.  The real coordination comes with the turnout and level crossing crew.

The Ararat to Serviceton section was also reasonably straight forward on account of the 60kg rail on pandrol plates.  Pull the lock spikes, put them back in (new ones at least).  They key point for both sides of the boarder was the track being in good condition to begin with.

I don't recall the rail being cut and shut around so much back in to 90's.  A feature of the Mildura conversion is many placed the rail is cut where the interfaces of the work crews don't align.   Not sure how significant this is.  On the interstate SG job it was normal to see the turnouts regauged in front of the gauge crew, the rail just slewed across the transition uncut.   Just an observation.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Ballast trains now are apparently running 24 hrs a day to try to make 31st Jan 2018 as the completion date.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
With Adelaide-Melbourne conversion did this include implementation of CWR as well, or is this something additional to the MB project that the Adelaide-Melbourne project didnt have?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Ballast trains now are apparently running 24 hrs a day to try to make 31st Jan 2018 as the completion date.
Carnot

Interesting info Carnot.

We saw a very large pile of ballast, in the Avoca rail yard, in Greensleeves' video and you start to get an idea of the large amount of resources it is requiring to rebuild this line.

Think how many trucks are running to keep up the supply of ballast, the machinery and man ( should say "person " I suppose, these days ) power at the quarry, supplying the volume to run the ballast train 24/7 . Not to mention the rest of the rebuilding process. No wonder the big $$$

Anyone got an idea how far a tonne of ballast goes on the track or tonnes per Km, would be an interesting figure. Lockspike you might be the one in the know.

BigShunter.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
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"Freight trains will soon return to the Maryborough to Ararat railway line with upgrades on track to be finished this month."
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Anyone got an idea how far a tonne of ballast goes on the track or tonnes per Km, would be an interesting figure. Lockspike you might be the one in the know.
BigShunter
All depends on ballast shoulder depth and sleeper spacing, but as a rough rule-of-thumb there's a bit over a cubic metre of ballast in every linear metre of track. So we're talking 1000-1300 cubic metres per kilometre. Density of track-grade ballast is about 1.46 tonnes/m3, so the answer is:

1460-1898 tonnes of ballast for every linear kilometre of track.
That's a large variance, but I don't have the low profile sleeper dimensions, sleeper spacing per kilometre and ballast depth for the Ararat-Maryborough line rebuild on hand (@james.au might have some more info from the tender docs?)
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Anyone got an idea how far a tonne of ballast goes on the track or tonnes per Km, would be an interesting figure. Lockspike you might be the one in the know.
All depends on ballast shoulder depth and sleeper spacing, but as a rough rule-of-thumb there's a bit over a cubic metre of ballast in every linear metre of track. So we're talking 1000-1300 cubic metres per kilometre. Density of track-grade ballast is about 1.46 tonnes/m3, so the answer is:

1460-1898 tonnes of ballast for every linear kilometre of track.
That's a large variance, but I don't have the low profile sleeper dimensions, sleeper spacing per kilometre and ballast depth for the Ararat-Maryborough line rebuild on hand (@james.au might have some more info from the tender docs?)
LancedDendrite

Thanks, LD, yeah I assumed there would be quite a few variances, sleeper spacing --- as you've said, but still, that equates to all but 150,000 tonne of ballast for this track, phwar.

BigShunter.

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