Mildura Standard Gauge conversion

 
  Party Junior Train Controller

Location: Within the Margin of Error
Is anyone able to please confirm where this train got to today (Saturday)?

Did it get to Birchip and load, or is it to load tomorrow (Sunday)?

Thanks Smile

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  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Is it ironic that the first revenue train on this line since the refurbishment was grain wagons when last movement on the line before refurbishment was the removal of stored grain wagons
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Loading at Birchip at the moment.

Head back in the morning .
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Isn't it great to see some improved freight rail infrastructure here in Victoria.
I am looking forward to seeing a 40 or 50 wagon grain train hammering along at 100 km/h.
However I can already imagine that there are those with their 80 km/h stamp poised.
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

Loading at Birchip at the moment.

Head back in the morning .
Donald
Does anyone know where the train originated from and is it heading back to Portland/Geelong/Melbourne?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Is it ironic that the first revenue train on this line since the refurbishment was grain wagons when last movement on the line before refurbishment was the removal of stored grain wagons
Pressman
It's more ironic that the first revenue train was run by Pacific National, who fought against attempts to standardise the Victorian freight branchlines in the 2000s...
Said train being headed by a battered old Freight Australia-liveried G class is rather amusing as well.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Is it ironic that the first revenue train on this line since the refurbishment was grain wagons when last movement on the line before refurbishment was the removal of stored grain wagons
Pressman
The grain wagons used on this first revenue train were not the one's stored on the them disused line between Ararat  Dunneworthy, the look like the Chines built wagons that ATN used to use before PN took over them.

The stored wagons were Victorian made 100 tonne gross (some converted from 76 tonne)
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
Is it ironic that the first revenue train on this line since the refurbishment was grain wagons when last movement on the line before refurbishment was the removal of stored grain wagons
The grain wagons used on this first revenue train were not the one's stored on the them disused line between Ararat  Dunneworthy, the look like the Chines built wagons that ATN used to use before PN took over them.

The stored wagons were Victorian made 100 tonne gross (some converted from 76 tonne)
Nightfire
The wagons on the PacNat train were coded WGBY. They're owned by AWB/Cargill and were imported from China in 2009. 84/92 tonnes gross.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
A slight tangent here, does anyone know if the rail tractor that was at Donald to shunt the PeaCo siding is being gauge converted and returned to Donald to continue it's duties?
And have any other rail tractors been gauge converted?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Isn't it great to see some improved freight rail infrastructure here in Victoria.
I am looking forward to seeing a 40 or 50 wagon grain train hammering along at 100 km/h.
However I can already imagine that there are those with their 80 km/h stamp poised.
YM-Mundrabilla
As the project was built for a 21TAL @ 80kph id say we're only going to see unloaded or short loaded to get 100kph - but i doubt operators will want to do that.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Is it ironic that the first revenue train on this line since the refurbishment was grain wagons when last movement on the line before refurbishment was the removal of stored grain wagons
The grain wagons used on this first revenue train were not the one's stored on the them disused line between Ararat  Dunneworthy, the look like the Chines built wagons that ATN used to use before PN took over them.

The stored wagons were Victorian made 100 tonne gross (some converted from 76 tonne)
Nightfire
Where did they take the 100t wagons?  Whats their issue meaning they not been in service?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Isn't it great to see some improved freight rail infrastructure here in Victoria.
I am looking forward to seeing a 40 or 50 wagon grain train hammering along at 100 km/h.
However I can already imagine that there are those with their 80 km/h stamp poised.
As the project was built for a 21TAL @ 80kph id say we're only going to see unloaded or short loaded to get 100kph - but i doubt operators will want to do that.
james.au
I don't think you will see anything on this line go above 80 km/h, too much wear and tear plus the extra fuel used.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
As I said:

'However I can already imagine that there are those with their 80 km/h stamp poised.'
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Is it ironic that the first revenue train on this line since the refurbishment was grain wagons when last movement on the line before refurbishment was the removal of stored grain wagons
The grain wagons used on this first revenue train were not the one's stored on the them disused line between Ararat  Dunneworthy, the look like the Chines built wagons that ATN used to use before PN took over them.

The stored wagons were Victorian made 100 tonne gross (some converted from 76 tonne)
Nightfire
I never said or intimated that first revenue train was pulling the stored wagons, just that they were both Grain Wagons
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Isn't it great to see some improved freight rail infrastructure here in Victoria.
I am looking forward to seeing a 40 or 50 wagon grain train hammering along at 100 km/h.
However I can already imagine that there are those with their 80 km/h stamp poised.
As the project was built for a 21TAL @ 80kph id say we're only going to see unloaded or short loaded to get 100kph - but i doubt operators will want to do that.
I don't think you will see anything on this line go above 80 km/h, too much wear and tear plus the extra fuel used.
Nightfire
Another point to consider is that the entire freight network within Victoria is currently limited to 80kph. So all the signalling and other infrastructure is set up for this speed. Plus the drivers have been trained for this etc.. Given that the old line was often limited to 60 kph a step up to 80 kph is a good one. So the fact that it is now SG will not influence things.

Australia wide, SG intermodal trains can do anything from 80 - 110kph, depending on the length and weight of the train.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Isn't it great to see some improved freight rail infrastructure here in Victoria.
I am looking forward to seeing a 40 or 50 wagon grain train hammering along at 100 km/h.
However I can already imagine that there are those with their 80 km/h stamp poised.
As the project was built for a 21TAL @ 80kph id say we're only going to see unloaded or short loaded to get 100kph - but i doubt operators will want to do that.
I don't think you will see anything on this line go above 80 km/h, too much wear and tear plus the extra fuel used.
Another point to consider is that the entire freight network within Victoria is currently limited to 80kph. So all the signalling and other infrastructure is set up for this speed. Plus the drivers have been trained for this etc.. Given that the old line was often limited to 60 kph a step up to 80 kph is a good one. So the fact that it is now SG will not influence things.

Australia wide, SG intermodal trains can do anything from 80 - 110kph, depending on the length and weight of the train.
Duncs
'Australia wide, SG intermodal trains can do anything from 80 - 110kph, depending on the length and weight of the train.'

Where is the length and weight of trains laid down in relation to speed, please?

In my day it was always track, locomotives and rolling stock that governed speed rather than length and/or tonnage.

I just have this terrible feeling that Victoria is, well, Victorian when it comes to rail.
  brownhillboy Train Controller

Is it ironic that the first revenue train on this line since the refurbishment was grain wagons when last movement on the line before refurbishment was the removal of stored grain wagons
The grain wagons used on this first revenue train were not the one's stored on the them disused line between Ararat  Dunneworthy, the look like the Chines built wagons that ATN used to use before PN took over them.

The stored wagons were Victorian made 100 tonne gross (some converted from 76 tonne)
Where did they take the 100t wagons?  Whats their issue meaning they not been in service?
james.au
There were quite a few stored at Westmere when I passed through in late January.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Poor growing seasons; competition from rail and road competitors; changing collection and export conditions due to deregulation; the coal boom in NSW; a larger pool of available grain wagons owned by PN - these have all resulted in the ex-Freight Australia hoppers being stored for long periods throughout the last decade.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Am just seeing a video from @Greensleeves with 3x BL locos leading a ~1100m/3900t container train from Tocumwal to Melbourne.  They'd been replaced with Gs and XRs on the steel train it says in the video.  Im guessing that this is the start of the trickle down of BG rollingstock to the remainder of the BG network now that its not needed for grain work in the Murray Basin?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Looking at the TOCs, the 100t wagons dont look to be accredited to do 100t haulage, wiht various restrictions on them, eg 80t @ 80kph to Albury, 92t to Serviceton etc.  This probably answers the question i guess.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Looking at the TOCs, the 100t wagons dont look to be accredited to do 100t haulage, wiht various restrictions on them, eg 80t @ 80kph to Albury, 92t to Serviceton etc.  This probably answers the question i guess.
james.au
so how much, if any, track in vic is 25t axle load rated. That would be the first place to look. These limits may be as a result of lower track limits.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Looking at the TOCs, the 100t wagons dont look to be accredited to do 100t haulage, wiht various restrictions on them, eg 80t @ 80kph to Albury, 92t to Serviceton etc.  This probably answers the question i guess.
so how much, if any, track in vic is 25t axle load rated. That would be the first place to look. These limits may be as a result of lower track limits.
Galron
The DIRN (which is the track referenced above) is 25TAL at certain speeds.  I dont think any of the VicTrack is anything over 23.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Another point to consider is that the entire freight network within Victoria is currently limited to 80kph.
Duncs
Up to 115 km/h on the DIRN (Albury - Serviceton) where rolling stock permits.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Another point to consider is that the entire freight network within Victoria is currently limited to 80kph.
Up to 115 km/h on the DIRN (Albury - Serviceton) where rolling stock permits.
Nightfire
Which as per the TOC it is limited to lower speeds....
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
@GherinhgapLoop is reporting that this train, empty, refuelled at Gheringhap Loop today.  

Is it correct that the train was empty on the way back down?  Was this a dry run only?

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