SA Election 2018 transport promises -

 
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Electoral signs have appeared on Tapley's Hill Road at Seaton
They read "Vote Labor to remove this Level Crossing"

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Electoral signs have appeared on Tapley's Hill Road at Seaton
They read "Vote Labor to remove this Level Crossing"
Pressman
They are at each of the others on their hit list too.

The Libs did that with posters advertising their pledge to duplicate Flagstaff Road at the previous state election when they were trying to unseat the popular local independent Bob Such (RIP).

I haven't heard such noises from them this time around. If they think the redistribution will let them walk it in this time they could be giving that area to SA Best.
  NG Sulzers Deputy Commissioner

Location: Quorn
The only one of these RLX that I drive on, on the DIRN is across Park Tce Salisbury, having driven through that RLX a few times since the election promises were made.
Grade separation at the location I'd synicaly foresee, even if it started this year, a three or four year project.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
The only one of these RLX that I drive on, on the DIRN is across Park Tce Salisbury, having driven through that RLX a few times since the election promises were made.
Grade separation at the location I'd synicaly foresee, even if it started this year, a three or four year project.
NG Sulzers
That's another crossing with a busy road network around it: to the west is the Salisbury Highway/Waterloo Corner Road intersection, and to the east the town centre and bus interchange access road, all within a short distance of the crossing.

The hotel on the western side would want continuity of access too.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Question on these LX removals - are they really productivity reducing or are they something that the SA government is focusing on as it has seemingly worked for Victoria (politically)?
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Question on these LX removals - are they really productivity reducing or are they something that the SA government is focusing on as it has seemingly worked for Victoria?
james.au
Most of the locations mentioned are bottlenecks to traffic flow, especially during peak hours.

Marion Road & Cross Road Plympton are Tram crossings on the Glenelg tram line - probably best suited to a long section of raised tram line over both roads.

Goodwood Road Goodwood is also a tram crossing, and is rather close to the tram overbridge across the Hills and Seaford railway lines so once again best to incorporate an overpass for the tram. There is also a lot of retail on the south side of the crossing so not easy to widen the road through there.

Cross Road at Westbourne Park has been on the books for a long time, was proposed long before the Goodwood Junction was considered. This might be a tad expensive as land values on the North side of Cross road in this area is in the "Elite" range.

Brighton Road Hove is again quite a bottleneck in peak hours, once again local topography would favour a rail over road overpass.

Park Terrace Salisbury has been considered since the Ghan incident many years ago, but has some design problems which would mean road over rail would be best, but still not much room for ramps.

Torrens Road Ovingham should have been done many years ago, land was resumed to allow for it, but the government at the time penny pinched on the project and an overpass was never built.

Trimmer Pde / Tapley's Hill Road is probably the least important of the list the crossing is on Adelaide Metro's Grange Branch
which only sees a train once every (approx.) 15 minutes
  allan Chief Commissioner

Question on these LX removals - are they really productivity reducing or are they something that the SA government is focusing on as it has seemingly worked for Victoria?
james.au
Smooth traffic flow reduces fuel consumption and wear and tear on motor vehicles and drivers. It's not my field, but break-even times that I have seen in the past for projects of this nature are usually well under five years: clearly, the greater the hold-ups and the busier the roads, then the sooner is the break-even.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

ALP pledge for next tram extension confirmed as being EastLink Stage 2 to Norwood.

It looks like they are trying to make Liberal leader Steven Marshall fight for his own seat.
  mawsonboii Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
the solution for Park Tce at Salisbury is simple just close the crossing and turn the each side of the crossing in to a no through road. widen I think it's Gawler street for better traffic flow. I'd also suggest rebuilding the train station and bus interchange to modernise it but to also make it more open and safer.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

the solution for Park Tce at Salisbury is simple just close the crossing and turn the each side of the crossing in to a no through road. widen I think it's Gawler street for better traffic flow. I'd also suggest rebuilding the train station and bus interchange to modernise it but to also make it more open and safer.
mawsonboii
There's a couple of pinch points with buildings on both sides of Gawler St, so the way such a reroute of Park Tce would go is to take space from the present car parking behind the buildings on the western side of Gawler St. This would see through traffic restricted to the periphery of the Salisbury town centre precinct, which is good for pedestrian safety and reducing car reliance.

The Centrelink building would need to be relocated, but Centrelink has greatly reduced the level of face-to-face contact it has with clients so the feds would probably welcome the opportunity to replace it with a smaller facility or direct clients to another location.

A pity that such a simple solution won't be considered when pro-road policy is bipartisan in SA.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
ALP pledge for next tram extension confirmed as being EastLink Stage 2 to Norwood.

It looks like they are trying to make Liberal leader Steven Marshall fight for his own seat.
justapassenger
And then the subsequent promise yesterday from Weatherill to extend the tram to the end of O'Connell Street - Steve Marshall is a bit coy but I believe that their (yet to be released) policy contains the exact same thing.

As I have said before I think this is a no-brainer for revitalising O'Connell Street -
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
ALP pledge for next tram extension confirmed as being EastLink Stage 2 to Norwood.

It looks like they are trying to make Liberal leader Steven Marshall fight for his own seat.
And then the subsequent promise yesterday from Weatherill to extend the tram to the end of O'Connell Street - Steve Marshall is a bit coy but I believe that their (yet to be released) policy contains the exact same thing.

As I have said before I think this is a no-brainer for revitalising O'Connell Street -
don_dunstan
I heard Marshall complaining about Weatherill's Norwood tram extension, saying his constituents did not want to loose the trees along the Parade
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

ALP today announcing their plans to relocate Clovelly Park relocate Tonsley station to a location south of the Alawoona Ave level crossing between the present Clovelly Park and Tonsley stations, followed immediately by a half-baked "we'll do the same, can't tell you where yet" from perennial Liberal candidate Carolyn Habib.

The Advertiser dug into the archives and trotted out the same artwork used last time around when rebuilding Clovelly Park was proposed, which is now out of date as the decision was made then to build the double track section north of Celtic Ave rather than as a passing loop at the Clovelly Park station.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
I heard Marshall complaining about Weatherill's Norwood tram extension, saying his constituents did not want to loose the trees along the Parade
Pressman
The iron-barks along the middle of the Parade are getting too big and they drop leaf litter and twigs everywhere; in places they've lifted the median and distorted the road surface and it's time they were removed anyway. There's plenty of trees remaining on both sides of the road for most of the length of the Parade, removing the iron-barks in the middle is inevitable anyway.
  mawsonboii Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
where possible just trench the trains or go for sky rail like Melbourne.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

No thanks, we can't afford those big political projects with low benefits.

The more targeted approach is fine for Adelaide, maybe the Victorians might learn a thing or two about getting a better bang/buck ratio.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Level crossing removal in Melbourne was needed desperately in places like Bentleigh, Ormond etc where peak hour train movements could hold up traffic for several minutes at a time; we don't have the busy rail system that Melbourne does here.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The problem with their project there was that only a fraction of the list were the most necessary ones, with most of them being done for political purposes and dragging the BCR for the whole project down to 0.78.

There's certainly a bit of politics involved in the ALP proposal here, but at least they have managed to select six worthy locations and just one dud.

One that I would like to see done is the Glenelg tram line and King William Road where they cross Greenhill Road. Part of making the CBD more people-friendly needs to be the provision of better options for through traffic to bypass the CBD rather than going through the CBD streets.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Just musing how the tramline is planned to get from East Terrace oRAH to Norwood Parade. Looks like East Terrace to Rundle St then The Parade West to the Parade. I am sure this can be built without major disruption and will be so popular that it will justify the costs. Just ask the businesses in Newcastle and George St, Sydney (or maybe not). Might need new parking to replace on-street parking in places.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

Also The Parade at Norwood is too narrow to have a modern day tram go down it. I have been out there on a display for 9 days straight and the traffic down that road in both directions is just unbelievable and a bottle neck now actually as there is only two lanes both sides of the road with parking places along side them. So when the tram line goes in it will be down to one lane each way and will be more of a bottleneck than it is each way. Of course the parking along there might have to go to allow two lanes again  but business's will find that patronage will not be as much as it was as parking a car and walking a considerable distance is now not frowned upon. So whether the tree's go or not is not really the problem there is just no damn room for a tramline along a busy road like Norwood Parade!

Gone are the days of simply providing a pole on the footpath as a stopping point and people walk out on the road to catch the tram, now they have to have proper platforms etc provided and that is going to take up more room actually when it is installed. Not a well thought out plan though and I doubt anyone has done any measurements out on the Parade to start with, because all it will end doing is tying the Parade up and cause traffic problems, it is bad enough now!

Check it out on Google earth if you don't believe me!
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Prospect Road is even narrower and they're considering reinstating the line down there - it's one lane the entire length as opposed to the Parade's generous proportions.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Also The Parade at Norwood is too narrow to have a modern day tram go down it. I have been out there on a display for 9 days straight and the traffic down that road in both directions is just unbelievable and a bottle neck now actually as there is only two lanes both sides of the road with parking places along side them. So when the tram line goes in it will be down to one lane each way and will be more of a bottleneck than it is each way. Of course the parking along there might have to go to allow two lanes again  but business's will find that patronage will not be as much as it was as parking a car and walking a considerable distance is now not frowned upon. So whether the tree's go or not is not really the problem there is just no damn room for a tramline along a busy road like Norwood Parade!

Gone are the days of simply providing a pole on the footpath as a stopping point and people walk out on the road to catch the tram, now they have to have proper platforms etc provided and that is going to take up more room actually when it is installed. Not a well thought out plan though and I doubt anyone has done any measurements out on the Parade to start with, because all it will end doing is tying the Parade up and cause traffic problems, it is bad enough now!

Check it out on Google earth if you don't believe me!
DJPeters
I wouldn't be so pessimistic about congestion. Experience worldwide shows that traffic volume expands to fill the road space - the law of induced demand. If you remove a lane, you won't end up feeding two lanes' worth of traffic into one - some people will drive on other routes instead and in the case of installing a tram, some people will take the tram instead. It's common sense: people just don't like driving through bottlenecks!

As for parking: removing on-street parking won't be as bad as you think either, even for traders. A study of customers that use the comparable retail corridor of Sydney Rd, Brunswick in Melbourne found that very few people used on-street parking. This makes sense - when you look at it from Google Earth, on-street parking even on The Parade is dwarfed by off-street parking provided by traders. You could get rid of the on-street parking on the section that would have the new tramway and even be able to keep the two traffic lanes.

A tram could be very easily fitted back onto The Parade from inspection on Google Earth, but there are trade-offs. The turning lanes at intersections would need to be removed regardless of whether you removed on-street parking or the second traffic lane in each direction, but this could be ameliorated by signalising all of the intersections (with light priority for trams, natch). Tram stops with disabled access can be easily fitted without permanent encroachment on road space - use Yarra Trams' Easy Access Stops as a design template, perhaps with zebra crossing stripes and some extra signage to make it really obvious to road users. In the case of an expected high traffic area like Norwood Oval, this could also be signalised.

In fact, with a bit of finagling you could even keep the trees in the median of The Parade! Lane narrowing and the use of a ground-level power supply in that section should do the trick.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Electoral signs have appeared on Tapley's Hill Road at Seaton
They read "Vote Labor to remove this Level Crossing"
The Libs did that with posters advertising their pledge to duplicate Flagstaff Road at the previous state election when they were trying to unseat the popular local independent Bob Such (RIP).
justapassenger
You will be pleased to hear such signs have very recently been erected on Flagstaff Road pledging a Liberal "duplication" of Flagstaff Road.

The words "in the fullness of time" have been omitted probably because that would make the sign too big.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
The Sadvertiser is reporting that there's at least three independents likely to get up at the election but Mr X. may not win a single seat.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

That's certainly realistic.

For the record, there are four sitting Independents that are contesting this election, and all of them are realistic chances of winning.

Frances Bedford,  Electoral District of Florey, ex-ALP member who lost preselection.
Geoff Brock, Frome, genuine independent who will probably be returned.
Duncan McFetridge, Morphett, ex-Liberal member who lost preselection.
Troy Bell, Mount Gambier, ex-Liberal member who has been kicked out of the party for breaking the 11th Commandment and will probably be returned.

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