The west has Melbourne's worst commutes - four hours a day across town

 
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

An indictment on the current state of our PT system and urban planning when people have no option but to take the car....

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/the-west-has-melbourne-s-worst-commutes-four-hours-a-day-across-town-20180301-p4z28i.html

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
An indictment on the current state of our PT system and urban planning when people have no option but to take the car....

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/the-west-has-melbourne-s-worst-commutes-four-hours-a-day-across-town-20180301-p4z28i.html
Carnot

Nonsense...Victoria made her journey with three (3) minutes to spare at a cost of around $5.00...yes $5.00 Exclamation

$5.00 in any car would only pay for fuel to your local railway station.



Mike.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
$5.00 in any car would only pay for fuel to your local railway station.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Indeed, according to the article "it will cost her hundreds of dollars in university car parking, petrol, tolls and servicing". And all that to drive for one day!

I think Victoria Rogan might be Joshing us.......

BG
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

Victoria would probably get a more reliable trip by changing to a Sunbury line train at Sunshine, then change to a Dandenong bound train at Flinders St. This would avoid the main cause of delays on the Vline services, which is approaching Southern Cross station.

Now she’ll substitute delays in the tunnel and the West Gate Bridge.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I wonder how many of these people whose only option is going alone in cars (which means driving themselves) would fail the rail medical. Are these the people we most want to get out of their cars?
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Myrtone
I wonder how many of these people whose only option is going alone in cars (which means driving themselves)

- Really?  I didn't know that.

would fail the rail medical.
- in what way is that relevant?  There are no doubt thousands of car drivers who would fail the stringent rail medical.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Victoria would probably get a more reliable trip by changing to a Sunbury line train at Sunshine, then change to a Dandenong bound train at Flinders St. This would avoid the main cause of delays on the Vline services, which is approaching Southern Cross station.

Now she’ll substitute delays in the tunnel and the West Gate Bridge.
mm42
She could certainly shave off a few minutes by not changing from V/Line to Metro at SCS.  Doing so means you have to exit the V/Line arrival platform, which could be anywhere (8 South, perhaps?), then walk along the lower concourse, up the escalator to the flyover, walk back along the upper concourse and through the barriers, then down again to the Metro platform.  A simple cross-platform change at Sunshine would be quicker, and would avoid the delay into SCS - which in the example trip was 15 minutes.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
An indictment on the current state of our PT system and urban planning when people have no option but to take the car....

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/the-west-has-melbourne-s-worst-commutes-four-hours-a-day-across-town-20180301-p4z28i.html
Carnot

Daniel Andrews went to the polls last election saying he would fix Public Transport.  Clearly we have a long way to go and West Gate Tunnel is far from the solution we need.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Media can always find an example of someone with an issue.

Heck, I used to work with a guy who commuted from Lithgow to North Sydney daily. Intercity to Central, then suburban to North Sydney. Did he complain? Nope.

BTW, he was also blind.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
I used to drive a company car from Queen Street (city) to my home in Prahran a few times a week when I was doing outreach work and it didn't matter what route I took to get home it was always 1h 10min each way. The tram was just too crowded and slow and sometimes trying to get a train from Toorak station in the mornings you physically couldn't get on.

I don't miss Melbourne.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

An indictment on the current state of our PT system and urban planning when people have no option but to take the car....

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/the-west-has-melbourne-s-worst-commutes-four-hours-a-day-across-town-20180301-p4z28i.html

Daniel Andrews went to the polls last election saying he would fix Public Transport.  Clearly we have a long way to go and West Gate Tunnel is far from the solution we need.
x31
Originally it was just a 500 million road bypass promise. Then turned into another toll road project at 6.7 billion.

Well with the 16.5 Billion North East Link project, roads are now being spent equal amounts to the rail infrastructure upgrades (that includes that 11 Billion Metro Tunnel).

I'm just hoping the Airport rail link would try to balance out the funding to rail rather than more road projects.
Of course I like to see Cranbourne line extension/upgrades, Melton electrification and Metro Tunnel 2 as priority.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Victoria would probably get a more reliable trip by changing to a Sunbury line train at Sunshine, then change to a Dandenong bound train at Flinders St. This would avoid the main cause of delays on the Vline services, which is approaching Southern Cross station.

Now she’ll substitute delays in the tunnel and the West Gate Bridge.
mm42

It's unlikely she'll be driving for long when the expense of car Vs train becomes apparent...


BTW, changing at Sunshine would get her to Flinders Street with a 5 to 10 min buffer each end and still catch the 9:13 to Clayton instead of the 9:16.

Mike.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Most outer suburbs generally have poor public transport options no matter what side of the city you are on. In fact, even the inner suburbs can be practically useless where you may have thought otherwise e.g. Hawthorn district. If you don't live near the train stations or the tram lines you have nothing, and even then, the Burnley group is one of the worst train lines to be stuck on (even at East Richmond, trains are every half an hour off-peak), none of the nearby tram routes (16, 70, 75) are DDA compliant regardless of the low floor trams on the 16 and even the 48 and 109 for that matter, and there is exactly one bus, the 624, which has an impossible to follow weekday timetable and takes up to an hour and a half to get from Auburn to Oakleigh. On the weekend the 624 runs hourly; of course it does, it's Melbourne. I don't count the school routes (e.g. 609) as proper bus services.

Urban planning in Melbourne means scribbling on a piece of paper and making roads out of the scribble, making sure that only one or two roads actually lead anywhere with the rest being cul-de-sacs and long winding avenues, and dumping as many houses and apartments as possible along those roads with no thoughts whatsoever about infrastructure, transport, shops, schools, hospitals etc. - which leaves the end result: Point Cook, Hoppers Crossing, Derrimut, Mill Park, Wantirna, Wheelers Hill, Templestowe, Endeavour Hills, Rowville, Beaconsfield, Pakenham and practically every other district built up after World War II. No wonder the Chinese are buying up big in the CBD (including Southbank and Docklands) with apartments, they can't afford to have their businesses killed by Melbourne's useless public transport and useless roads full of useless private cars.
  stooge spark Train Controller

She wants to lower her travel times by driving to uni?
HA!
She might not think "the south eastern carpark" is real!
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Ok, here I go...

The examples provided where specific examples but both were flawed. Victoria could save time by changing at either Sunshine or Footscray rather than Southern Cross and the other bloke mentioned took the option of a Sunbury line train from Southern Cross to Sunshine and then the 456 bus to Rockbank rather than just taking a Bacchus Marsh train from Southern Cross to Rockbank. Both commuters have better options, but to dwell on that is to miss the point entirely.

Most of Melbourne's suburban rail network was completed by the early 1930s. All that has been built since then is Melbourne Undergound City Loop, extension of electrification on key outer suburban routes (Thomastown - Epping, Altona - Werribee, Dandenong - Cranbourne, St Albans - Sunbury and Broadmeadows - Craigieburn) and the South Morang and Mernda extensions. I suppose you could also add the Regional Rail Link, although the word Regional should count it out but as it services a suburban area it has to count.

In the 1930s the population of the area that is now considered Greater Melbourne was not much more than 1 million, Today we are up to around 4.5 million. Successive governments spanning the decades since World War II have failed to build Melbourne's Infrastructure at the rate required. The focus for far too long has been on roads. This has not worked.

This year we are heading into a state election, both sides should be putting forward big plans for the future in a state they want to run, and what have we seen? More promises to build more roads. From both sides. Matthew Guy and his Lib/ Nats have only released 1 policy with regards to rail infrastructure: New long distance country trains. That is it. Daniel Andrews at the very least has shown some commitment to continue with what he is already doing (Level crossing removals, Metro Tunnel, a few other minor upgrades), but that is nowhere near enough.

We need Airport Rail

We need Electrification to both Melton and Wyndam Vale

We need Dandenong to Caulfield to be amplified to 4 tracks

We need a massive overhaul and boost to outer suburban bus routes, particularly in the outer West.

We need planning to begin on Metro 2

All of the above needs to happen within the next 5 years, not so as we can keep up, as we have already fallen so far behind, but so we can at the very least know that there is some hope. But no, so far there is no word on any of it from either Matthew Guy or Daniel Andrews, and it is an election year.

But its ok, we may or may not be getting a new Westgate Tunnel, I'm reliably informed that it will fix everything.

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