Mildura standard gauge sightings thread

 
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Was at Sea Lake last weekend. Had a look at station, certain sleepers have been marked with spray paint, looks like they will be the ones replaced during conversion. Other than that no work was seen
comeng_2006
And when work does begin lets leave it out of this thread too. The Murray Basin thread would be appropriate for the remainder of the conversion I think.

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  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
According to Ghaploop updates train sizes seem bigger on the SG?

This sighting from last night.


[table][tr][td][center]7902V[/center]
[/td][td][center]U[/center]
[/td][td]CNT'S[/td][td]2327[/td][td]X48+BL26+G540[/td][td][right]FROM MILDURA.[/right]
[/td][td][center]56W[/center]
[/td][td][center]S/G[/center]
[/td][/tr][/table]
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

IEV100 was in Mildura on the weekend.  Word is that it'll be a while yet until the speed limit is raised to 80 km/h....
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
As most will know, I have been terrorising, these pages for quite a while, now and as such, was well aware of the ' Fruity ' as it's called and it's approximate running times, but what I wasn't aware of, is the shier volume, that it is and was carrying.

Since the conversion started, a while back, clips started to appear on YouTube, of the fruity running on broad gauge and since the standard gauge has cranked up, numerous clips of the fruity, on there as well and now I have been giving YouTube an even big belting and been following a lot more of what has been happening, out on the rails.

The length of trains has also been a bit of a surprise, but to me, that is just more reinforcement of the work, being done.

Here is another clip, by Graeme, from the other day, thanks Graeme and look at her blowing the coal out, up the bank.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeT-WFtMQkU

You can view a short and sweet version, by Graeme and there is quite often a similar Big Daddy version, sometimes 15 mins plus, by Greensleeves.

BigShunter.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
If these volumes are on the increase then what great news for the project and the future.  Can we get the cement and the oil back on the rails to Mildura?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
A great sight for my sometimes cynical eyes. Smile
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
It's passage through Mildura would be quite a sight.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Has someone done a wagon count pre and post conversion of some random days?  @GheringhapLoop, is this something your cams let you do?
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Has someone done a wagon count pre and post conversion of some random days?  @GheringhapLoop, is this something your cams let you do?
james.au

The way in which the ghaploop site is structured makes it hard near impossible to search for a train and see a trend which would be very very handy for us all.  

is there a way this data could be put into a database and be accessible on Railpage?

Would be amazing and if we had pictures of the trains being loaded with the data.  Can this be done?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
[quote=x31]According to Ghaploop updates train sizes seem bigger on the SG?

This sighting from last night.


[table][tr][td][center]7902V[/center]
[/td][td][center]U[/center]
[/td][td]CNT'S[/td][td]2327[/td][td]X48+BL26+G540[/td][td][right]FROM MILDURA.[/right]
[/td][td][center]56W[/center]
[/td][td][center]S/G[/center]
[/td][/tr][/table][/quote]


Confusing...
  cbinyon Junior Train Controller

Location: London, England
Following on from Carnots comments, the IEV picked up over 300 faults with track speeds down to 15km in some areas
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Following on from Carnots comments, the IEV picked up over 300 faults with track speeds down to 15km in some areas
cbinyon
a bit poor if this is the case. especially if any of these faults where in areas completely rebuilt. Looking more and more like a 12 month rather than a 6 month project. no way will up country be rid of all its grain before next season. just as well parts of it are looking a bit on the average side.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Not really unexpected though, the rail was the stuff that was previously on the line and they're not going to know if it's got hidden issues until the IEV ran over it which has now happened.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Not really unexpected though, the rail was the stuff that was previously on the line and they're not going to know if it's got hidden issues until the IEV ran over it which has now happened.
Greensleeves

What will happen now?  Will the rail need to be re-mediated?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Not really unexpected though, the rail was the stuff that was previously on the line and they're not going to know if it's got hidden issues until the IEV ran over it which has now happened.
Greensleeves
Would one not do the IEV run prior to the 'upgrade' and standardisation so that any remedial work could have been undertaken concurrently.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

Not really unexpected though, the rail was the stuff that was previously on the line and they're not going to know if it's got hidden issues until the IEV ran over it which has now happened.
Would one not do the IEV run prior to the 'upgrade' and standardisation so that any remedial work could have been undertaken concurrently.
YM-Mundrabilla
'Welcome to Victoria'
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Following on from Carnots comments, the IEV picked up over 300 faults with track speeds down to 15km in some areas
cbinyon
How many faults existed pre conversion?  As part of the tender documentation there are many many excel spreadsheets with what I suspect are outputs from track testing before conversion.

BTW If someone wants some of these to check im happy to send.
  Lockspike Assistant Commissioner

Not really unexpected though, the rail was the stuff that was previously on the line and they're not going to know if it's got hidden issues until the IEV ran over it which has now happened.
Greensleeves
The IEV measures the geometry of the track only. It has no capacity to internally examine the rails.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
I think that this thread might as well be merged into the Mildura Standard Gauge conversion thread. As there seem to be very few sightings in the Two Pages posts.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think that this thread might as well be merged into the Mildura Standard Gauge conversion thread. As there seem to be very few sightings in the Two Pages posts.
Jack Le Lievre
I feel that we need one forum page to put all of these Murray Basin threads into so we can find them together.

Alternatively also agree that this could be merged into that thread, and also perhaps into the original Murray Basin Conversion thread which could have brought all of the conversations together in one spot (like the large North East conversion thread did).
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Not really unexpected though, the rail was the stuff that was previously on the line and they're not going to know if it's got hidden issues until the IEV ran over it which has now happened.
The IEV measures the geometry of the track only. It has no capacity to internally examine the rails.
Lockspike
Says even more about the quality of the track maintenance and gauge standardisation work undertaken.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
Not really unexpected though, the rail was the stuff that was previously on the line and they're not going to know if it's got hidden issues until the IEV ran over it which has now happened.
The IEV measures the geometry of the track only. It has no capacity to internally examine the rails.
Lockspike

Thanks for the correction
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
The IEV measures the geometry of the track only. It has no capacity to internally examine the rails.
Lockspike

Lockspike, I reckon we are all reasonably familiar with, the term geometry, just wondering if you or anybody, who know's, what the IEV machine measures or what the setup of the rails needs to be, what imperfections would it identify.

And for those who may be wondering what the IEV track machine is, I was fairly sure, but no encyclopedia could be found Laughing so googled Rolling Eyes it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP6ucZpXLt8

Thanks,

BigShunter.
  Lockspike Assistant Commissioner

Lockspike, I reckon we are all reasonably familiar with, the term geometry, just wondering if you or anybody, who know's, what the IEV machine measures or what the setup of the rails needs to be, what imperfections would it identify.

And for those who may be wondering what the IEV track machine is, I was fairly sure, but no encyclopedia could be found Laughing so googled Rolling Eyes it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP6ucZpXLt8

Thanks,

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Hey Big Shunter,
The IEV is a Plasser EM100 track recording car. I'm not sure what IEV stands for (infrastructure evaluation vehicle(?) sounds like manager speak). It is fairly old (early 80s) so likely to have been rebuilt/modified. As built it was designed to record at 100km/h.

The usual parameters of track recording are: Gauge, Top, Twist, Superelevation & Line.

Gauge I hope is self evident,
Top is vertical smoothness of each rail,
Twist is the vertical alignment of each rail in relation to the other rail,
Superelevation is the designed vertical difference between the rails in curves,
Line is the horizontal relative smoothness of the track.

Other track recording vehicles can measure vertical and horizontal alignment of overhead wiring and its relationship to the track. Rail wear is another parameter some cars can assess.

Used properly they can be a useful tool for track maintenance planning.
I heard a story about a Ganger out at Hillston who was very proud of his smooth riding 'length'. In NSW it was the practice to have the Ganger or Track Supervisor accompany the car on it's journey through each length. On one trip to Hillston they decided to play a practicable joke on the Ganger and cranked up the thresholds that determined defects in the track that needed immediate attention. The poor man was watching the recording and was mystified at the results as he had been maintaining his track just as meticulously as ever. He got so agitated and worked up the car operators had to confess what they had done, but it still took a while for him to calm down.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Hey Big Shunter,
The IEV is a Plasser EM100 track recording car. I'm not sure what IEV stands for (infrastructure evaluation vehicle(?) sounds like manager speak). It is fairly old (early 80s) so likely to have been rebuilt/modified. As built it was designed to record at 100km/h.

The usual parameters of track recording are: Gauge, Top, Twist, Superelevation & Line.

Gauge I hope is self evident,
Top is vertical smoothness of each rail,
Twist is the vertical alignment of each rail in relation to the other rail,
Superelevation is the designed vertical difference between the rails in curves,
Line is the horizontal relative smoothness of the track.

Other track recording vehicles can measure vertical and horizontal alignment of overhead wiring and its relationship to the track. Rail wear is another parameter some cars can assess.

Used properly they can be a useful tool for track maintenance planning.
I heard a story about a Ganger out at Hillston who was very proud of his smooth riding 'length'. In NSW it was the practice to have the Ganger or Track Supervisor accompany the car on it's journey through each length. On one trip to Hillston they decided to play a practicable joke on the Ganger and cranked up the thresholds that determined defects in the track that needed immediate attention. The poor man was watching the recording and was mystified at the results as he had been maintaining his track just as meticulously as ever. He got so agitated and worked up the car operators had to confess what they had done, but it still took a while for him to calm down.
Lockspike

Thanks, Lockspike, perhaps it all sounds a bit obvious now, but wasn't sure so asked, the question and you've answered it clearly.

BigShunter.

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