Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Turnbull is smart.  He's put Dan Andrews over a barrel to spend the money with conditions, and has managed to get support for an airport link from Bill Shorten (who could never really say no).

Andrews has no option now but to comply.  To not do so would be electoral suicide in November.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Turnbull is smart.  He's put Dan Andrews over a barrel to spend the money with conditions, and has managed to get support for an airport link from Bill Shorten (who could never really say no).

Andrews has no option now but to comply.  To not do so would be electoral suicide in November.
Carnot

As the option studies have been underway for some time, it will be interesting to see what the preferred route option will be.

Mike.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Some hints of a stoush on route selection with these comments by Jacinta Allan:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-11/melbourne-airport-rail-link-gets-$5bn-from-federal-government/9643054

"We're already committed to a rail link to the airport and we're obviously happy to work with any Commonwealth Government on this project," Victoria's Minister for Public Transport, Jacinta Allan, said in response to the Turnbull Government announcement.
"It's good the Prime Minister has finally found Victoria on a map, and we'll accept this funding given how much he short-changes our state."
Ms Allan said Victoria's plan for an airport rail link included fast rail to the regions and it was "concerning" that only one of four possible routes proposed by the Commonwealth would allow for this.

I'm guessing the Albion line route is the one she wants (given that a tunnel under Highpoint wouldn't really suit diesels).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

I'm guessing the Albion line route is the one she wants (given that a tunnel under Highpoint wouldn't really suit diesels).
Carnot

Bearing in mind for those of us old enough to remember that Highpoint was constructed in an actual quarry and that quarries tend to produce lots of hard stuff it might be very expensive to drill through the remaining rock in the vicinity.

Mike.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
I like what is happening as Turnbull is backing up Guy in the rail stakes and mandating if you like the commencement of the airport line project.  But why the need for $5b from Victoria for the project as total cost would be no where near $10b.  Let's be sensible about it.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
$10 billion would cover the cost of going via the Gun- And Knife-point route (tunnelling under Maribyrnong). The Feds are really keen on this route, as they'd make a fair chunk of their money back through the development of the Defence land in Maribyrnong.

Meanwhile, both the Melbourne Airport CEO and Victorian transport minister have reaffirmed that any railway line to the airport needs to pass through to regional centres as well.

$5 billion should cover most, if not all of the Albion East route, depending on how CBD access is handled. That would give the Victorians the extra budget room for tacking on regional rail access, assuming a $10 billion budget.

I sense a coming impasse...
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
To my mind the better route is via the tunnel and the defence land and via Keilor East.  Would anyone consider also electrifying the line from the junction at Keilor East to Albion as a backup when maintenance is being undertaken?
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
The Hun today describes four possible routes, one of which (it says) is to be decided upon.  One of these uses the existing line to Broadmeadows, then has a new line from north of Broadmeadows to the airport.  It's not clear if this means building new tracks city to Broadmeadows, or using existing tracks where airport trains would mix with stopping all stations services, but if the latter then it's a joke and this route should not be considered.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

The Hun today describes four possible routes, one of which (it says) is to be decided upon. One of these uses the existing line to Broadmeadows, then has a new line from north of Broadmeadows to the airport. It's not clear if this means building new tracks city to Broadmeadows, or using existing tracks where airport trains would mix with stopping all stations services, but if the latter then it's a joke and this route should not be considered.
Lad_Porter

I would be highly surprised if airport line trains would use the Craigieburn Line at all. It just doesn't have the capacity. The closest thing I could see happening (and my preferred option) is the direct via Flemington option, which would presumably involve a new track pair between Newmarket and just after Kensington (with a Level Crossing Removal).

Anyway, I am quite surprised that the federal government has finally decided that Melbourne is worth spending infrastructure money on! Too bad that Turnbull's lost 30 news polls in a row. This will all stop if Abbott returns. I think that the direct tunnel is the best long-term option. Yes, it is probably at least $5 billion more expensive, but since the federal government is prepared to put up the money and it seemingly prefers this route, I could see it happening. Its benefits are the important new stations at Highpoint/Defense Site and wherever else depending on the route taken, the quicker journey time and most importantly that it can be independent from other train lines. Rerouting the Bendigo Line through the airport can happen later and go via Albion. I think the Seymour line should also go via Albion, but space is getting tight. Anyway, welcome news.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
If the tunnel option is the one chosen which I tend to like then the sale of the land would contribute to the cost of the tunnel,  The option would also make a rail service available to the very large shopping centre at Highpoint.

Would be the first shopping centre of such size outside of the CBD (not counting Southland which is to the side) to have a purpose built railway station.  Exciting for the workers and also shoppers.
  UP4014 Beginner

What does everyone here think about using a Monorail aligned with major roads along the route (not the Freeway), stations at VU and Highpoint along the way? Something like this. I can't think of a single downside
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
What does everyone here think about using a Monorail aligned with major roads along the route (not the Freeway), stations at VU and Highpoint along the way? Something like this. I can't think of a single downside
UP4014

Scott Morrison said this morning, I'm no engineer, but...it won't be a monorail.

Mike.
  blowfish Junior Train Controller

Having used mixed stopping pattern airport trains before and for a city of our size and projected growth, I can see nothing but issues with a route via Highpoint.

The Albion link allows better interchange with 3 key regional lines (4 if they bring back the SG platform ) transforming Sunshine into a transport Hub.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
The Victorian 2018/19 budget is only three weeks away so we’re due to get budget ‘leaks’ shortly.

I wanna put it out there, I reckon there’ll be an announcement that the Bendigo line will be diverted to run via the airport.

Yeah yeah, I know... it’s been talked about for years, but this is the year Smile

The election is 6 months away and an airport rail link would play too well for Andrews to ignore.

PS: NFI when it’ll actually be built, just saying I’ll put a $50 down that it’ll be announced prior to May 1st
footscrazy

You seemed right!
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I like what is happening as Turnbull is backing up Guy in the rail stakes and mandating if you like the commencement of the airport line project.  But why the need for $5b from Victoria for the project as total cost would be no where near $10b.  Let's be sensible about it.
x31
If tunnelling is used it will easily cost $10 Billion. As stated by Mike the Geology in the Area and indeed most of the Western Suburbs is hard rock.

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

If the tunnel option is the one chosen which I tend to like then the sale of the land would contribute to the cost of the tunnel,  The option would also make a rail service available to the very large shopping centre at Highpoint.

Would be the first shopping centre of such size outside of the CBD (not counting Southland which is to the side) to have a purpose built railway station.  Exciting for the workers and also shoppers.
x31
Totally disagree. Making sure that regional centres and Melton is adequately served is far more important. In any case Highpoint has the tram and decent bus services from Footscray and Sunshine. Past West Footscray, there is ample land excluding the crossing over the ring road, to use existing infrastructure. Why not use the Toronto model and also divert Bendigo and Seymour services through the airport. That can be done for a lot less than $10 Billion. I would rather the $10 Billion go towards Melbourne Metro 2.

Michael
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Norda Fittazroy
If tunnelling is used it will easily cost $10 Billion. As stated by Mike the Geology in the Area and indeed most of the Western Suburbs is hard rock.
"mejhammers1"
Exactly - the area is not known as the basalt plains for no reason.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

The Case Study is already being prepared for the Airport Line in the background. No chance it will be a diverted rail line, the economics don't even stack up for the stand-alone line, however it will be a political decision to proceed with it
gb274
Very few of the projects undertaken by Victoria stack up economically, certainly none of the road projects do and AFAIK only the Melbourne Metro does so that is an excuse. A diverted line would financially stack up more than a purpose built line.

Michael
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
What does everyone here think about using a Monorail aligned with major roads along the route (not the Freeway), stations at VU and Highpoint along the way? Something like this. I can't think of a single downside

Scott Morrison said this morning, I'm no engineer, but...it won't be a monorail.

Mike.
The Vinelander
The Simpson's Episode on Monorail technology really wasn't that far from the truth! its 1960's futuristic technology that never really achieved what it was hoped for. Small capacity, slow speeds and costly and complex junction infrastructure for changing lines.

I just hope Sydney can sort out the LR construction drama down George Street pretty quick or forget any chance of such a project being repeated any time soon and follow the Sydney Monorail.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Guy is already pushing the 'via Broadmeadows' link. To save money....bugger the best solution.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Guy is already pushing the 'via Broadmeadows' link. To save money....bugger the best solution.
ParkesHub

Source?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I must say, I am really quite bemused by this talk about rail to the Airport. Even discussing spending $10 Billion for rail to the airport whilst Albury and Shepparton corridors are serviced by old life expired equipment that third world countries would sneer at, impending capacity constraints on the Craigieburn and Bendigo corridors and the crisis on long distance V/line services, is absolutely disgusting and nothing short of blatant electioneering on the part of the Turnbull Liberal Government.

Just think of what Victoria could do with $10 Billion. For a start it could electrify the Ballarat line out to Melton, rehabilitate the line from Upfield to Somerton which would ease the pressure on and allow for extra services on the Broadmeadows route. Transform the Bus Network into a fully functional high frequency network instead of the dog breakfast we have now, provide extra tracks between Caulfield and Dandenong. I could go on. I just find it hard to take when the Airport isnt even adequately served by bus. As far as Im concerned, there should be only two options to be considered. Make it a V/Line service, diverting Seymour/Shepparton and Bendigo services through the airport, or string up cheap trolley wire, rebuild some old trams (Victoria has plenty of them), build some tram stops and make it part of the tram network.


Michael
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Nothing stopping Victoria doing all of that anyhow expect they wont do it.  That sort of money would get you electrification to Ballarat and new EMU's which is a good project.
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Guy is already pushing the 'via Broadmeadows' link. To save money....bugger the best solution.

Source?
x31
Towards the end of this....

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/airport-rail-link-could-be-a-5-billion-bargain-say-state-liberals-20180412-p4z98y.html
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

I must say, I am really quite bemused by this talk about rail to the Airport. Even discussing spending $10 Billion for rail to the airport whilst Albury and Shepparton corridors are services by old life expired equipment that third world countries would sneer at, impending capacity constraints on the Cragieburn and Bendigo corridors and the crisis on long distance V/line services, is absolutely disgusting and nothing short of blatant electioneering on the part of the Turnbull Liberal Government. Just think of what Victoria could do with $10 Billion. For a start it could electrify the Ballarat line out to Melton, rehabilitate the line from Upfield to Somerton which would ease the pressure on and allow for extra services on the Broadmeadows route. Transform the Bus Network into a fully functional high frequency network instead of the dog breakfast we have now, provide extra tracks between Caulfield and Dandenong. I could go on. I just find it hard to take when the Airport isnt even adequately served by bus. As far as Im concerned, there should be only two options to be considered. Make it a V/Line service diverting, Shepparton and Bendigo services through the airport, or string up cheap trolley wire, rebuild some old trams (Victoria has plenty of them), build some tram stops and make it part of the tram networks. Michael
mejhammers1
Yes, of course the money could be better spent. I would rather the Metro 2 tunnel. But hey, if the feds are putting up the money, Victoria might as well chip in $5 billion otherwise it will be a wasted opportunity. I don't think that they will consider diverting V/line services alone. They would have to come in addition to the Metro services. There would just be too much of a strain on the V/line trains. Doing the line properly: making it part of the train network with other stations, will have several great benefits. Less traffic on the Tullumarine Freeway, a service to the airport, reduced Skybus demand (or even better, a cheaper Skybus service), etc. Melton electrification will come fairly soon. Metro 1 will add more services on the Broadmeadows route. Upfield to Somerton will also eventually come. So will Caulfield to Dandenong quadruplication when a government wins in a landslide. It's about time something is done about the airport. It's an embarrassment to the world's most liveable city!

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