Inland Railway - Construction Phase

 
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
What does $6m, $10m and $13m buy you?  None of these are construction contracts.  Why is design so expensive??????

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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
What does $6m, $10m and $13m buy you?
james.au
A lot of lobster dinners for the consultants!
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
More P2N news.

"Liberty OneSteel Whyalla Steelworks has been awarded the contract to supply steel for the first section of Australian Inland Rail infrastructure project.
14,000 tonnes of steel rail required for the first section—Parkes to Narromine".

https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/mediareleases/news_feed/aussie-steel-on-track-for-inland-rail
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
I know nothing about 'Designing' or the knowledge needed to say what is to go where or to put that somewhere that will allow that and do it in a most economical manner but I am sure it takes time and study and thats what your paying for.
Having watched a few shows recently on bridge building around the world in places thought impossible might give you an idea of why design is so 'expensive'.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
More P2N news.

"Liberty OneSteel Whyalla Steelworks has been awarded the contract to supply steel for the first section of Australian Inland Rail infrastructure project.
14,000 tonnes of steel rail required for the first section—Parkes to Narromine".

https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/mediareleases/news_feed/aussie-steel-on-track-for-inland-rail
cootanee

Rail trains (operated by GWA) will start delivering rail from Port Augusta to Parkes for the P2N section in the next week or two.

Story so far is 2 x Freightliner liveried G class running two trips per week.
  ozibob Assistant Commissioner

Location: Parkes Australia
In Parkes yard yesterday was a gwu unit aswell
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
More P2N news.

"Liberty OneSteel Whyalla Steelworks has been awarded the contract to supply steel for the first section of Australian Inland Rail infrastructure project.
14,000 tonnes of steel rail required for the first section—Parkes to Narromine".

https://inlandrail.artc.com.au/mediareleases/news_feed/aussie-steel-on-track-for-inland-rail

Rail trains (operated by GWA) will start delivering rail from Port Augusta to Parkes for the P2N section in the next week or two.

Story so far is 2 x Freightliner liveried G class running two trips per week.
bingley hall

First load of rails on its way ex Port Augusta this morning heading for Parkes, hook and pull by GWA locos 2207/2212. Due out of Goobang Jct @ 0910 Sunday, destination Tomingley West.

Regular motive power and frequency still a bit up in the air. One G thought to be heading back to Port Augusta with the empties, but the GWU and second G have reportedly been commandeered for cotton train working ex Warren.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
A Pollies fest or what!

Joint Media Release
First steel delivery keeps Inland Rail on track
MC 01/18

Senator the Hon. Mathias Cormann
Minister for Finance
Leader of the Government in the Senate
Senator for Western Australia

The Hon. Michael McCormack MP
Minister for Veterans’ Affairs
Minister for Defence Personnel
Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC
Deputy Leader of the House
Federal Member for Riverina

The Hon. Barnaby Joyce MP
Deputy Prime Minister
Minister for Infrastructure and Transport

Mark Coulton MP
Member for Parkes
15 January 2018

   The first of 14,000 tonnes of steel rail has been delivered for the Parkes to Narromine section of the Inland Rail project

https://www.financeminister.gov.au/media-release/2018/01/15/first-steel-delivery-keeps-inland-rail-track
  james.au Chief Commissioner
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Barnaby in his ATRC hardhat, was just on ABC 24 Blabing on about how good it'll be for Australia
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Barnaby in his ATRC hardhat, was just on ABC 24 Blabing on about how good it'll be for Australia
"Dangersdan707"
Presumably one of his minions took him out and showed him what a railway line is and what a train looks like before they let any TV crew near him.
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
$6 million contract awarded for feasibility and design of Illabo to Stockinbingal section. This will be a new rail corridor 37km long which will bypass the Bethungra Spiral.
http://www.inlandrail.artc.com.au/mediareleases/news_feed/inland-rail-on-track-with-contract-awarded-in-nsw
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why does this cost $6m??
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Why does this cost $6m??
james.au

Because modern governments prefer to spend money on multiple studies and reports rather than building the actual infrastructure and an entire consultant industry has built itself up around that mindset.
  Pressman Spirit of the Vine

Location: Wherever the Tin Chook or Qantas takes me
Why does this cost $6m??
james.au
Did you miss the word  design ?

Detailed drawing of boundaries, cuttings, embankments, bridges and track location for 37 kms
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Why does this cost $6m??

Because modern governments prefer to spend money on multiple studies and reports rather than building the actual infrastructure and an entire consultant industry has built itself up around that mindset.
Sulla1
Plus $5M of that is their Public Liability Insurance premium for when they stuff up the design which is pointless really as governments never seem to hold companies accountable for stuff ups in projects and normally do such a bad job writing the contract for the scope of works that it is full of holes for the worms to crawl out of anyway.

MYKI anyone?

BG
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Why does this cost $6m??

Because modern governments prefer to spend money on multiple studies and reports rather than building the actual infrastructure and an entire consultant industry has built itself up around that mindset.
Plus $5M of that is their Public Liability Insurance premium for when they stuff up the design which is pointless really as governments never seem to hold companies accountable for stuff ups in projects and normally do such a bad job writing the contract for the scope of works that it is full of holes for the worms to crawl out of anyway.

MYKI anyone?

BG
BrentonGolding
I can assure you govt projects are not the only ones that seem to have these problems.

The problem with most govt projects like this is that they are always one off's, complicated and minimal reuse of previous engineering projects work. Each metre of this corridor needs to be studied and "walked".They need to check and double check with all potential infringements by Telstra etc. They probably have to generate a detailed topography map for the corridor as almost bet one doesn't exist or not detailed enough. Want to build an embankment, where is the fill to come from, is the fill in the adjacent cutting suitable, what about retaining walls, can this rock come from a cutting or does it need to be bought, flood heights, farmers crossing, road, each bridge is a one off design, how deep is the rock base etc etc. Environmental impact, community consultation.....

$6m is probably cheap.
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
I agree with RRT-Rules that you simply dont draw a line on a map between 2 points and let loose the Dogs of Construction.

From simply looking to see if its feasible to follow the desired route by simply looking (which costs money) to the day the last person walks off the completed project would go through Heaven knows how many surveys that need to be carried out.
My thoughts are that once a Route is proposed, one of the next items I think would be done is to see who owns the land that the project will occupy very closely followed by the SUITABILITY of the chosen route, and one of many reasons could block the project from proceeding through unsuitability.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
What does $6m, $10m and $13m buy you?  None of these are construction contracts.  Why is design so expensive??????
james.au
$6m buys you about 30-40 people working on the design for 6mths, plus office rental, modelling, a few site visits
  cootanee Chief Commissioner

Location: North of the border!
Ditto about what $6m gets you.

They have a 2km wide strip on the map running from Illabo and Stockinbingal and somewhere within that will go a rail line. Fortunately they're not doing this in an urban area otherwise even $60m would be cheap! SSFL blow-out was mostly to do with all the services that ran within, across and near the corridor, known, unknown and everything in between.

http://www.inlandrail.artc.com.au/i2s
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
What does $6m, $10m and $13m buy you?  None of these are construction contracts.  Why is design so expensive??????
$6m buys you about 30-40 people working on the design for 6mths, plus office rental, modelling, a few site visits
RTT_Rules
At $1000 a week average wage for clerk, add a grade, qualification (engineer) or 2 and along all those other mentioned costs to the pot and I cant see $6 Million employing 10 let alone 30 to 40.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I was thinking charge out rate of around $200kpa on average per employee then x 2 for 6mths.
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

Why does this cost $6m??
james.au
You may be aware that there is a dispute developing between the NSW govt and the contractor responsible for the construction of the light rail through the Sydney CBD. Without knowing the detail, it is reasonable to assume that a little more time, effort and, yes, money, spent at the design stage may have kept the parties out of court. My limited knowledge of legal action is that the only winners are the lawyers and $6 million is probably not that much once the QCs get involved.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Why does this cost $6m??
You may be aware that there is a dispute developing between the NSW govt and the contractor responsible for the construction of the light rail through the Sydney CBD. Without knowing the detail, it is reasonable to assume that a little more time, effort and, yes, money, spent at the design stage may have kept the parties out of court. My limited knowledge of legal action is that the only winners are the lawyers and $6 million is probably not that much once the QCs get involved.
fzr560
Hearing the issues with the LR project is all about existing underground services and that potentially the contractor was not provided with all the information deliberately before bidding.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why does this cost $6m??
You may be aware that there is a dispute developing between the NSW govt and the contractor responsible for the construction of the light rail through the Sydney CBD. Without knowing the detail, it is reasonable to assume that a little more time, effort and, yes, money, spent at the design stage may have kept the parties out of court. My limited knowledge of legal action is that the only winners are the lawyers and $6 million is probably not that much once the QCs get involved.
Hearing the issues with the LR project is all about existing underground services and that potentially the contractor was not provided with all the information deliberately before bidding.
RTT_Rules
Probably for a separate thread, but apparently 2 bidders (who lost, obviously) had factored in this cost to their bid but Acciona came in much less - which TfNSW evidently jumped at.  One bidder actually withdrew due to the complexity of the utilities and lack of certainty that they had about it in forming their bid.

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