Melbourne Metro Rail Project Revived

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 16 Feb 2015 17:54
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Anyone find it weird that all the Metro Rail Tunnels in Australia are opening around the same time

Sydney Metro stages 1/2: Finishes 2024
Brisbane Cross River Rail: Finishes 2024
Melbourne Metro: Finishes 2025

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  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
its a conspiracy
  silvertrain80 Junior Train Controller

Location: stabled at newport
Once complete, will the comengs be able to travel through the tunnels?

(If the comengs are still operating by completion).
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
You could pobobly operate a hitachi as well as an E or L loco with steel consist. You could probably run a trait or dog box down their if you got around the red (ha ha ha) tape. In emergencies vline have run an N class via the city loop.
Probobly can run a Comeng in the metro tunnel to.(an educated guess)
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Once complete, will the comengs be able to travel through the tunnels?

(If the comengs are still operating by completion).
silvertrain80
They might but they may be unable to serve any of the station depending on the platform screen door layout.
  silvertrain80 Junior Train Controller

Location: stabled at newport
You could pobobly operate a hitachi as well as an E or L loco with steel consist. You could probably run a trait or dog box down their if you got around the red (ha ha ha) tape. In emergencies vline have run an N class via the city loop.
Probobly can run a Comeng in the metro tunnel to.(an educated guess)
Dangersdan707
I'd like to see a tait or doggie in their, let alone run the whole network.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

You could pobobly operate a hitachi as well as an E or L loco with steel consist. You could probably run a trait or dog box down their if you got around the red (ha ha ha) tape. In emergencies vline have run an N class via the city loop.
Probobly can run a Comeng in the metro tunnel to.(an educated guess)
Dangersdan707
Are you in possession of credible information regarding plans to do the clearance runs, signalling immunisation and retrofitting of CBTC signalling equipment which would be necessary before any of those classes could run in the tunnels, or just posting under the influence again?
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey





Walking past the site of the Metro Tunnel 1 took these
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Anyone find it weird that all the Metro Rail Tunnels in Australia are opening around the same time

Sydney Metro stages 1/2: Finishes 2024
Brisbane Cross River Rail: Finishes 2024
Melbourne Metro: Finishes 2025
"James974"

With Melbourne lagging behind as always. Laughing
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
What date is the Perth Airport Tunnel project due to complete as should be added.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

What date is the Perth Airport Tunnel project due to complete as should be added.
x31
I believe that will be completed by 2020.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Construction at North Melbourne has started. I'm a little bit skeptical that this actually means anything, rather I think it's just another recycled news release! That said it's nice to see shovels (literally) in the ground and some nice photos in the article.
  Otter_H Locomotive Fireman

Has an adequate explaination been given as to why the tunnel was truncated to having a portal near South Yarra instead of Caulfield?
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Has an adequate explaination been given as to why the tunnel was truncated to having a portal near South Yarra instead of Caulfield?
Otter_H

Money for tunnelling.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Has an adequate explanation been given as to why the tunnel was truncated to having a portal near South Yarra instead of Caulfield?
Otter_H
From the Melbourne Metro Business Case that was leaked a couple of years ago:
The previous MM2 default “long” tunnel from Domain to Caulfield along Dandenong Road is made redundant by the considerably more cost-effective “short tunnel” extension of MM1 along Toorak Road, joining Dandenong rail corridor east of South Yarra station. The additional capacity that the MM2 long tunnel option provides between Caulfield and South Yarra is no longer required for the foreseeable future. Further, detailed investigations around possible stations along the MM2 tunnel corridor options found no scope for major urban renewal, hence this is not a factor in selecting MM2 alignments.
Melbourne Metro Business Case - Executive Summary
(note: MM2 in this instance refers to previous plans to build the Melbourne Metro Rail Tunnel in two stages, firstly from South Kensington to a stub tunnel at Domain (MM1), then from Domain to Caulfield at a later date).
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Anyone find it weird that all the Metro Rail Tunnels in Australia are opening around the same time

Sydney Metro stages 1/2: Finishes 2024
Brisbane Cross River Rail: Finishes 2024
Melbourne Metro: Finishes 2025

With Melbourne lagging behind as always. Laughing
Heihachi_73

With Sydney at least being HEAVILY sandstone that cuts like a hot knife through butter and Melbourne's being very hard basalt...the kind of rock that builds buildings that are permanent and often needs BLASTING to get through...there is a huge and differing comparison.

Moreover...what are the respective lengths of the tunnels Question

Mike.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Anyone find it weird that all the Metro Rail Tunnels in Australia are opening around the same time

Sydney Metro stages 1/2: Finishes 2024
Brisbane Cross River Rail: Finishes 2024
Melbourne Metro: Finishes 2025

With Melbourne lagging behind as always. Laughing

With Sydney at least being HEAVILY sandstone that cuts like a hot knife through butter and Melbourne's being very hard basalt...the kind of rock that builds buildings that are permanent and often needs BLASTING to get through...there is a huge and differing comparison.

Moreover...what are the respective lengths of the tunnels Question

Mike.
The Vinelander
Not only that Melbourne has a mix of other difficult underground conditions to deal with.

The Burnley road tunnel was a nightmare to dig.

My understanding Is the Brisbane Cross River Rail tunnel Is still nowhere from getting funded ?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I apologise if this has been discussed/answered before but I've skimmed this thread and don't think it has.

With the short tunnel option that is proceeding, there will be spare platforms at North Melbourne (well, West Melbourne by then) and South Yarra, and associated track pairs from opening day. Do the contracts include any works to make modifications to allow these to be used?

For example, will Craigieburn sparks use 3/4 at North Melbourne with a reconfigured connection?

At South Yarra, what can sensibly be done with the platforms and track pair into the city? The PTV NDPMR proposed sparked Geelong services running through SCS and FSS and terminating there, but that is pretty clearly not going to happen now.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

I apologise if this has been discussed/answered before but I've skimmed this thread and don't think it has.

With the short tunnel option that is proceeding, there will be spare platforms at North Melbourne (well, West Melbourne by then) and South Yarra, and associated track pairs from opening day. Do the contracts include any works to make modifications to allow these to be used?

For example, will Craigieburn sparks use 3/4 at North Melbourne with a reconfigured connection?

At South Yarra, what can sensibly be done with the platforms and track pair into the city? The PTV NDPMR proposed sparked Geelong services running through SCS and FSS and terminating there, but that is pretty clearly not going to happen now.
potatoinmymouth
Looking at VICSIG and Google Maps, the Upfield turnoff west of North Melbourne and the crossover between the tracks for platforms 1/2 and 3/4 are designed that they can be used simultaneously with no conflicting traffic (there is no crossover closer to the Craigieburn turnoff).

Geelong won't go any further than Southern Cross. To go between Southern Cross and South Yarra return, would need to use the new viaduct, which is full with Newport and Frankston trains (when the tunnel opens, Sandringham trains, as Franga will go in the city loop).
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
There will be additional Frankston short hauls to take up capacity in the loop from the Dandenong lines being taken out. I think there was some talk of those being terminated at South Yarra (which to me doesn't seem very useful, so hopefully they terminate a little further down the line at say Mordialloc, or Moorabin or Cheltenham depending on capacity).

Adding a 7th line to the Vidauct for Geelong trains would probably be a good idea, but also very expensive, especially as you'd need a flyover somewhere between Flinders St and South Yarra to get them in the right place.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Thanks John. I wasn't sure of the trackwork arrangements past North Melbourne; not being a rail engineer is there any reason/way to modify these turnouts so the Craigieburn route is the "through" instead of "diverging" route?

I may have also at least partially answered my own question: the map in this appendix to the business case seems to suggest that V/Line services will use the eastern platforms at South Yarra exclusively, before crossing over the Sandringham/Werribee corridor as currently to use 15/16 at Southern Cross. I sincerely hope there is planning work underway for a flying junction at Richmond to resolve this pathing conflict as it will not be improved by the MM under current conditions - in fact with constant through-routing of cross-city services it may well be worse.

edit: and the junction down of South Yarra will be a flying one, some fascinating other things in this document
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

There will be additional Frankston short hauls to take up capacity in the loop from the Dandenong lines being taken out. I think there was some talk of those being terminated at South Yarra (which to me doesn't seem very useful, so hopefully they terminate a little further down the line at say Mordialloc, or Moorabin or Cheltenham depending on capacity).

Adding a 7th line to the Vidauct for Geelong trains would probably be a good idea, but also very expensive, especially as you'd need a flyover somewhere between Flinders St and South Yarra to get them in the right place.
TOQ-1
Short term a 4th track pair is needed along the viaducts however long term once Metro2 occurs as well as city loop reconfiguration not so much, but if it were to be used solely by VLine it should be a goer in conjunction with a Caufield-Dandenong quadding project.

edit: Having said that, I don't want to see Geelong trains run to South Yarra, would be better off going via Werribee, Metro2 and running through to the Airport.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Anyone find it weird that all the Metro Rail Tunnels in Australia are opening around the same time

Sydney Metro stages 1/2: Finishes 2024
Brisbane Cross River Rail: Finishes 2024
Melbourne Metro: Finishes 2025

With Melbourne lagging behind as always. Laughing

With Sydney at least being HEAVILY sandstone that cuts like a hot knife through butter and Melbourne's being very hard basalt...the kind of rock that builds buildings that are permanent and often needs BLASTING to get through...there is a huge and differing comparison.

Moreover...what are the respective lengths of the tunnels Question

Mike.
The Vinelander

For your information vinelander

1. Sydney north west metro has 15.5 km's of new twin tunnel and about 10km's of skyrail. $7.8 billion
2. CBD and south west metro is another 30km's with 15.5 km's in tunnels from Chatswood to Sydenham including tunnelling under Sydney harbour. $11 billion
3. Sydney metro west will be about a 25km tunnel from the Sydney CBD to Westmead station. approx $10-15 billion

Melbourne Metro is 9km's.
Cross River Rail is 10.2km's.
Perth Airport line is 8.5 km's.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner


For your information vinelander

1. Sydney north west metro has 15.5 km's of new twin tunnel and about 10km's of skyrail. $7.8 billion
2. CBD and south west metro is another 30km's with 15.5 km's in tunnels from Chatswood to Sydenham including tunnelling under Sydney harbour. $11 billion
3. Sydney metro west will be about a 25km tunnel from the Sydney CBD to Westmead station. approx $10-15 billion

Melbourne Metro is 9km's.
Cross River Rail is 10.2km's.
Perth Airport line is 8.5 km's.
simstrain
But it's not a real railway, it's a (nearly) everyone stand Metro style toy train from the outer suburbs with commensurate long journey times to the city. Think the people will be happy?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner


For your information vinelander

1. Sydney north west metro has 15.5 km's of new twin tunnel and about 10km's of skyrail. $7.8 billion
2. CBD and south west metro is another 30km's with 15.5 km's in tunnels from Chatswood to Sydenham including tunnelling under Sydney harbour. $11 billion
3. Sydney metro west will be about a 25km tunnel from the Sydney CBD to Westmead station. approx $10-15 billion

Melbourne Metro is 9km's.
Cross River Rail is 10.2km's.
Perth Airport line is 8.5 km's.But it's not a real railway, it's a (nearly) everyone stand Metro style toy train from the outer suburbs with commensurate long journey times to the city. Think the people will be happy?
Lockspike

The trains are not London tube small and are most certainly not toy trains. The Sydney metro will be a lot faster then the Sydney train system as well and so those people that are standing won't be doing so for that long.

In any case the new Melbourne metro tunnel will be great for Melbourne regardless if it takes one year longer then Sydney's new metro system. It will for instance take pressure off the trams during the grand prix.

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