Then and now: Eltham Railway Station, 1907

 
  baloydi Station Staff

Location: Melbourne


The past is really almost as much a work of the imagination as the future. -- Jessamyn West

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet


The past is really almost as much a work of the imagination as the future. -- Jessamyn West
baloydi
Someone is going to claim that Victoria is in the early 20th century as the trestle bridge is still there, unlike the rest of the station now long gone.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Interesting photo - presumably it is looking towards Diamond Creek?  Hard to tell if there is another platform on the right, but probably not because of the horse and coach.

Until relatively recently, Eltham station was not all that different, with its manually operated points and semaphores, single track staff working, clickety-clack rails, and of course, the trestle.  It was in a time warp for quite a while, almost as if it was being deliberately kept that way as a kind of operational museum.  Today most of that is gone, and it is a modern station within the constraints of the single track sections either side.

The trestle bridge is a whole other topic in itself.  There are reasons why it remains, but the subject has already been done to death in these pages.  Hopefully it will be bypassed, but left in place, when the double track arrives from Greensborough.
  AndyChee Station Master

Hopefully it will be bypassed, but left in place, when the double track arrives from Greensborough.
Lad_Porter
I was under the impression that the lack of projected population growth along the Diamond Creek wedge, meant that double track beyond Greensborough was not on the cards until at least 2030-2040.
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Hopefully it will be bypassed, but left in place, when the double track arrives from Greensborough.
I was under the impression that the lack of projected population growth along the Diamond Creek wedge, meant that double track beyond Greensborough was not on the cards until at least 2030-2040.
AndyChee
Politics !!
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
I said "when", but didn't mention a date.  I think duplication Greensborough-Eltham is inevitable eventually, but who knows when?

Of course, in the meantime, then either the trestle bridge will continue to be maintained in a trafficable condition, or it will be replaced.  If replaced, then it will be either torn down (unlikely, given its heritage status?) or bypassed.  If bypassed, then the new bridge over the creek could be of double track width, even if the double track has not yet arrived.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

The bridge now has a new speed restriction of 25km/h due to its condition. Make of that what you will.
  AndyChee Station Master

I think duplication Greensborough-Eltham is inevitable eventually, but who knows when?
Lad_Porter
Presumably when the population increase along the Diamond Creek wedge warrants an increased service.

The problem is that even if you maxxed out the population capacity of the DC wedge.... I suspect the population level still wouldn't warrant duplication.  Diamond Creek had a population of about 9,000 in 1996.  About 12,000 in 2016.  It would need a population of 90,000 to consider duplication.  There isn't enough free land in DC to accommodate that kind of population.

As for the Eltham trestle, I'd guess something along the lines of the Chandler Rd bridge upgrade would be done i.e. the old bridge converted to a foot/bike path, new bridge carrying two tracks runs along side.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
I think duplication Greensborough-Eltham is inevitable eventually, but who knows when?
Presumably when the population increase along the Diamond Creek wedge warrants an increased service.

The problem is that even if you maxxed out the population capacity of the DC wedge.... I suspect the population level still wouldn't warrant duplication.  Diamond Creek had a population of about 9,000 in 1996.  About 12,000 in 2016.  It would need a population of 90,000 to consider duplication.  There isn't enough free land in DC to accommodate that kind of population.

As for the Eltham trestle, I'd guess something along the lines of the Chandler Rd bridge upgrade would be done i.e. the old bridge converted to a foot/bike path, new bridge carrying two tracks runs along side.
AndyChee
The duplication comment was about the Greensborough-Eltham section, not Eltham to Diamond Creek.  But bear in mind that in those outlying stations it's not just the local population that uses them;  you would also get commuters from St Andrews, Cottles Bridge, Kinglake etc., even from DC-Wattle Glen-Hurstbridge to Eltham because of the better service.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
There's plenty of land at Diamond Creek, just bring a few chainsaws, some B-double logging trucks and some Chinese property moguls. Twisted Evil

As for needing 90000 in a suburb just to get two tracks, I call BS. Diamond Creek is almost identical to Box Hill in terms of population according to the 2016 Census, it isn't like Hurstbridge and Wattle Glen where there is absolutely nothing. You would also be hard pressed to find any Melbourne suburb with close to 90000 people, Reservoir is pushing it with 50000.

30 random suburbs with comparable population to Diamond Creek:
Blackburn 13940
Wantirna 13818
Surrey Hills 13605
Hampton 13391
St Kilda East 13101
Toorak 12909
Drouin 12349
Fitzroy North 12339
Maribyrnong 12216
Ivanhoe 12171
Altona North 12152
Broadmeadows 11970
Box Hill North 11874
Bayswater 11758
Diamond Creek 11733
Vermont South 11678
Box Hill 11395
Somerville 11336
Kilsyth 10891
Altona 10762
Fitzroy 10445
Vermont 10442
Elsternwick 10349
Burwood East 10273
Sandringham 10241
Malvern 10066
Chirnside Park 9872
Sunshine 9768
Mount Evelyn 9702
Heathmont 9688
Hastings 9609
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
Population can be a tricky one. Obviously you don't go building gold standard railways out to the middle of nowhere (like all those insane railways that were built at the turn of last century), but at the same time double tracking is a prerequisite for more frequent and reliable services. Duplicating to Diamond Creek (not that I am advocating it at the moment), would allow for more frequent and reliable services along the whole line. It may not be capacity soaked up by the community living n Diamond Creek, but it certainly has flow-on effects for other suburbs further down the line.

ELP
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
There's plenty of land at Diamond Creek, just bring a few chainsaws, some B-double logging trucks and some Chinese property moguls. Twisted Evil

As for needing 90000 in a suburb just to get two tracks, I call BS. Diamond Creek is almost identical to Box Hill in terms of population according to the 2016 Census, it isn't like Hurstbridge and Wattle Glen where there is absolutely nothing. You would also be hard pressed to find any Melbourne suburb with close to 90000 people, Reservoir is pushing it with 50000.

30 random suburbs with comparable population to Diamond Creek:

Blackburn 13940
...
Bayswater 11758
Diamond Creek 11733
Vermont South 11678
Box Hill 11395
...
Hastings 9609
Heihachi_73

Perhaps intuitive then as to why there's a double track going to Mernda and Doreen before somewhere like Diamond Creek:
Doreen 21298
Mernda 16458

And because it's still a massive growth area there are certainly more people there now than in 2016, perhaps 40,000 now ready to drive demand for a station at the end of the line.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
For a station at or near the end of the line, you can't necessarily correlate actual or potential rail patronage with the size of the local population, because passengers will drive in to that centre from (sometimes much) further afield.

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