New long-distance V/Line rolling stock

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Thanks for that, Mike. Also good to see that checked luggage service will continue, and that the press release is careful to note that the catering arrangements are “temporary”.

On the basis of what’s mentioned here I would not be surprised if the new intermediate trailer was also partly occupied by a conductor luggage space.
potatoinmymouth

I've heard fairly reliably from the 'INSIDE' that depending on the outcome of the election in November, that will have a direct impact on whether there will be food vending machines or an actual person with a catering module in the new Intercity V'Locity's.

Mike.

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

In which direction? Part of me says the Libs would love nothing more than to “cut costs”, part of me says the Nats wouldn’t stand for it, so I can’t work out which one is which!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
In which direction? Part of me says the Libs would love nothing more than to “cut costs”, part of me says the Nats wouldn’t stand for it, so I can’t work out which one is which!
potatoinmymouth

The Nats...as always are the junior partner in a Coalition government.

M.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Madness.  On one hand theyre going to cut costs to food vending machines, but the other reintroduce services to Donald.....
FFS Politics.....
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Madness.  On one hand theyre going to cut costs to food vending machines, but the other reintroduce services to Donald.....
FFS Politics.....
james.au

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_district_of_Ripon

M.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Ah, so Mr Guy will announce that by cutting buffet services (the end of well over 100 years of concession to luxury on Victorian rail) he can fund the Donald Boondoggle Express.

Got it.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
@thevinelander I have posted that exact link too elsewhere Wink
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I find this whole Donald thing interesting:

The Labor party's plan is to have Ballarat to Dunolly as Dual Gauge. Labor have not yet made any promises regarding extending Maryborough trains to Dunolly, just that they are leaving the dual gauge capacity there in case it is needed in the future.

The Liberal/ National Coalition's plan is to reintroduce trains to Donald. So far that is all they have said on the matter.

There are no current public plans to re-introduce passenger trains beyond Ararat (Overland aside)

There are no current public plans to convert Ballarat to Ararat to Standard Gauge.

So how is a passenger train going to reach Donald?

Will they extend the Dual gauge to Donald and just extend the Maryborough trains to Donald?

Will they introduce a standard gauge train to run between Ballarat and Donald? This would be the only SG V/Line train in the region, and would make the Dual Gauge North of Ballarat redundant.

Or will they do what everyone on this forum would suggest and convert the Ballarat to Ararat line to SG and run 2 SG trains out of Ballarat, one to Horsham via Ararat and the other to Donald via Maryborough?

OR

Will they commision a study that will just come back and say it isn't viable.

The cynic in me goes with that last one.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

Or will they do what everyone on this forum would suggest and convert the Ballarat to Ararat line to SG and run 2 SG trains out of Ballarat, one to Horsham via Ararat and the other to Donald via Maryborough?

OR

Will they commision a study that will just come back and say it isn't viable.

The cynic in me goes with that last one.
Gman_86

We are talking the state Coalition here,

The same coalition that reviewed reopening of Castlemaine to Maryborough and we know what happened there...

Deja vu for services to Donald I suspect.

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Yep, good money is they went with Donald for the promise because they knew a study could be engineered to prove it wasn't feasible.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I find this whole Donald thing interesting:

The Labor party's plan is to have Ballarat to Dunolly as Dual Gauge. Labor have not yet made any promises regarding extending Maryborough trains to Dunolly, just that they are leaving the dual gauge capacity there in case it is needed in the future.

The Liberal/ National Coalition's plan is to reintroduce trains to Donald. So far that is all they have said on the matter.

There are no current public plans to re-introduce passenger trains beyond Ararat (Overland aside)

There are no current public plans to convert Ballarat to Ararat to Standard Gauge.

So how is a passenger train going to reach Donald?

Will they extend the Dual gauge to Donald and just extend the Maryborough trains to Donald?

Will they introduce a standard gauge train to run between Ballarat and Donald? This would be the only SG V/Line train in the region, and would make the Dual Gauge North of Ballarat redundant.

Or will they do what everyone on this forum would suggest and convert the Ballarat to Ararat line to SG and run 2 SG trains out of Ballarat, one to Horsham via Ararat and the other to Donald via Maryborough?

OR

Will they commision a study that will just come back and say it isn't viable.

The cynic in me goes with that last one.
Gman_86
Instead of pulling out all the fairly new BG concrete sleepers why not just insert SG concrete sleepers in between the BG sleepers. Turn outs are another matter but so many sleepers would provide on hell of an axle load.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

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Will they introduce a standard gauge train to run between Ballarat and Donald? This would be the only SG V/Line train in the region, and would make the Dual Gauge North of Ballarat redundant.
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Gman_86

The V/Locitys are gauge-convertible. From comments by others on RP it seems the bogies are convertible. If so, it would only require some SG wheel and axle sets to convert a V/Locity. Only 1 of the bogies on each carriage is powered (B-2 arrangement). Heavy maintenance could be arranged so that when the SG V/Locity is due, it is rotated with the V/Locity that has just completed maintenance (needs a spare set of wheel and axle sets). Marcus Wong’s reliability  comparison, derived from V/Line reports, shows the distance between faults as:
V/Locity           157,000 km
Sprinter              42,500 km
Locomotive       23,000 km

This could be done now for SG Ballarat - Maryborough (with a DG connection to Ballarat East).
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Unfortunately V/Line have demonstrated they're not capable of running a fleet with 100% redundancy on the NE SG, so while I love the concept I very much doubt they'd even be able to work out whether the bogies went on the top or the bottom of the train.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Unfortunately V/Line have demonstrated they're not capable of running a fleet with 100% redundancy on the NE SG, so while I love the concept I very much doubt they'd even be able to work out whether the bogies went on the top or the bottom of the train.
potatoinmymouth
I suggest that they put the SG bogies on the top and BG on the bottom or vice versa. Install a tippler at Ballarat to rotate the car to the gauge required. Sorry - won't work because we inadvertently put one bogie of each gauge top and bottom because it saved 2 bob in construction costs. Rolling Eyes
Interior would be separate and remain the right way up, of course.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

You're overthinking it. One axle of each gauge on each bogie - revenue services now also double as rail grinder in some places and ballast regulator in others.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
You're overthinking it. One axle of each gauge on each bogie - revenue services now also double as rail grinder in some places and ballast regulator in others.
potatoinmymouth
Of course - why didn't I think of that.
The axle not relevant to the gauge could be hoisted above the rail with a block and tackle suspended from the roof and running through a hole in the floor. This could be done at speed by the conductor on a suitable length of dual gauge track.
Needless to say a maximum speed of 80 km/h would apply as that is the only rubber stamp held by Vline to cover anything new or innovative.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Unfortunately V/Line have demonstrated they're not capable of running a fleet with 100% redundancy on the NE SG, so while I love the concept I very much doubt they'd even be able to work out whether the bogies went on the top or the bottom of the train.
potatoinmymouth
This is somewhat unfair, VLine regularly swap the bogies between N class locomotives now. Apparently if any of the current SG N class's come up for heavy maintence, they will use  A recently serviced BG N class chassis that uses D77 traction motors and swap the bogies from the SG N class, ie its not always the same 4 N class locomotives that are on SG. I assume this is done so none of the SG N's are out for a long periods due to maintence.

woodford
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How many spare SG N class bogies are there?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I find this whole Donald thing interesting:

The Labor party's plan is to have Ballarat to Dunolly as Dual Gauge. Labor have not yet made any promises regarding extending Maryborough trains to Dunolly, just that they are leaving the dual gauge capacity there in case it is needed in the future.

The Liberal/ National Coalition's plan is to reintroduce trains to Donald. So far that is all they have said on the matter.

There are no current public plans to re-introduce passenger trains beyond Ararat (Overland aside)

There are no current public plans to convert Ballarat to Ararat to Standard Gauge.

So how is a passenger train going to reach Donald?

Will they extend the Dual gauge to Donald and just extend the Maryborough trains to Donald?

Will they introduce a standard gauge train to run between Ballarat and Donald? This would be the only SG V/Line train in the region, and would make the Dual Gauge North of Ballarat redundant.

Or will they do what everyone on this forum would suggest and convert the Ballarat to Ararat line to SG and run 2 SG trains out of Ballarat, one to Horsham via Ararat and the other to Donald via Maryborough?

OR

Will they commision a study that will just come back and say it isn't viable.

The cynic in me goes with that last one.
Gman_86

G-man, the first highlighted statement, no no no no no, surely not, we have just spent 120 years getting rid of that demon broad gauge, second statement, they couldn't be so stupid ............... could they Razz after the Castlemaine adventure Shocked

One would assume they would be standardising the job  Idea

BigShunter.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

How many spare SG N class bogies are there?
YM-Mundrabilla
I do not believe there are any spare SG N class bogies, the existing bogies are swapped between the outgoing SG N and the incoming BG N.

Thats running a SG pool of loco's the hard way.

woodford
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I suggest that they put the SG bogies on the top and BG on the bottom or vice versa. Install a tippler at Ballarat to rotate the car to the gauge required.
YM-Mundrabilla
No no no, they should design a brand new way of tipping them using a corkscrew style of trackage that literally rotates the train around its roll axis.  Agreed though that the interior should be fitted to counter the rotation so that passengers (and drivers) are not unnecessarily inconvenienced.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How many spare SG N class bogies are there?
I do not believe there are any spare SG N class bogies, the existing bogies are swapped between the outgoing SG N and the incoming BG N.

Thats running a SG pool of loco's the hard way.

woodford
woodford
No, that's the easy way by having a large part of the fleet sitting around doing nothing 'just in case'. Smile
  woodford Chief Commissioner

How many spare SG N class bogies are there?
I do not believe there are any spare SG N class bogies, the existing bogies are swapped between the outgoing SG N and the incoming BG N.

Thats running a SG pool of loco's the hard way.

woodford
No, that's the easy way by having a large part of the fleet sitting around doing nothing 'just in case'. Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
There's at least ONE good sign......... Smile

VLine managment at least worked out a way of making a 4 loco pool to do the job of a 5 loco pool, by not allowing any of the 4 SG loco's to sit idle during extensive maintenence efforts. I am somewhat surprised some one in the orginisation came up with what is quite a good idea.

woodford
  N463 Locomotive Driver

In the past I have known conductors on the UP Swan Hill after leaving Castlemaine when the non-reserved cars are full and standing to advise pax to sit in the spare seats of the (reserved) BRN or pay a surcharge for travel in the relative tranquility of the ACN.

Mike.
How does one go about upgrading to an ACN seat when travelling on a MYKI Mike?

I for one would do this if I knew it was possible!

BG
BrentonGolding

When I've done it, I've gone to the booking office at Southern Cross (presumably you could also do this at other stations too) and asked for a First Class upgrade on (whatever train you are travelling on). Cost is $8, they will give you a old style V/Line paper ticket, which has your seat number on it.

You also have to to touch on you Myki when travelling, and when the conductor asks for you ticket, you need to present both the Myki and the paper ticket.

N463
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
One is to wonder what is to become of the N class locos. Shall they be left to rot in the yards as has become of the A and P class locos or shall they be sold on to freight and heritage groups

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