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TRIX Schnabel wagon....near enough NSWGR copy

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      Roachie Chief Commissioner

    Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
    I have been searching for some time for a HO scale TRIX 24019 "Schnabel" special
    loads wagon, without much success either here in Australia or the USA.

    http://www.ajckids.com/products/Trix/24019

    http://southern.railfan.net/schnabel/cars/auzi/nzza800.jpg

    Not being a stickler for rivet-counting, I decided that this item of rolling
    stock will be a near-enough version of the NSW item that is now held in
    preservation (at the LVR if my memory serves me correctly).

    I eventually tracked down a place in Germany and have ordered one; probably be a
    couple of months before I receive it.

    I think the only modification I will make is to junk the 4-axle bogies (6 off),
    and replace with 12 indivdual bogies (but I don't know what type yet; pretty
    sure the correct ones.....coded DAA.... don't exist in HO scale).

    I plan to only use the wagon in it's "short" form (ie: no load on board) and
    will form a short train with attendant bogie wagons and a brake/guards van, with
    double headed locos.....similar to the video of the transfer from Goulburn ....


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBgX2dqKSxc

    All-up cost to me is around $310.00 so far; still need to buy those bogies. If
    anybody has any ideas as regards a "close" resemblence to the DAA, I'm open to
    suggestions.

    Cheers

    Bill Roach
    Posted: 20 Oct 2011 18:10

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      UP9372 Assistant Commissioner

    Location: Banned
    Could have purchased a brass Overland model of that particular car for about the same price. The come up fairly regularly on eBay.
    Posted: 20 Oct 2011 18:35
      FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

    Having studied (and photographed) this wagon extensively, I have decided to use AR Kits 2BR bogies with the crosspieces cut off and fitted with 33" wheelsets. I originally planned on using kadee sprung bettendorf bogies but the AR ones are a tad closer. I'll dig out some photos of the AR bogies and the prototype wagon when I get a chance.

    BTW, the wagon went to Dorrigo, not LVR.

    Regards
    Paul
    Posted: 20 Oct 2011 18:44
      a6et Minister for Railways

    the following link is for such a wagon in RTR form & I understand its a very nice model, not sure how close to the NSW type go to bottom of page. Notice the Chinese wheat hopper on the page is very much the same as what was purchased for the GHA from China a few years back.

    http://stores.ebay.com.hk/modelleisenbahn4u/category6-/_i.html?_fsub=6&_sid=6060726&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
    Posted: 20 Oct 2011 19:27
      vjm Locomotive Fireman

    I have one of these Schnabel wagons from Bachmann China based on the Chinese prototype.  An excellent model it is.

    Peter H has a review of the Bachmann China D38 model on his website.

    Like a6et, I have no idea how close this is to the NSW type.
    Posted: 20 Oct 2011 21:14
      a6et Minister for Railways

    I have one of these Schnabel wagons from Bachmann China based on the Chinese prototype.  An excellent model it is.

    Peter H has a review of the Bachmann China D38 model on his website.

    Like a6et, I have no idea how close this is to the NSW type.
    "vjm"


    Bill posted on AMR that the Chinese type is larger than the NSW version, 32 wheels as against 24 for NSW.

    I remember reading somewhere that China has the largest loading gauge in the world for Standard Gauge Railways, & I can believe it, although I can be no doubt proven wrong likewise the report of where I read it.

    Certainly is an impressive vehicle.
    Posted: 20 Oct 2011 22:37
      Trainoholic Beginner

    The Kibri Uaai heavy hauler would be my choice. Doesn't cost you an arm and a leg and you can make styrene adjustments as needed.

    http://www.yatego.com/needfulthings-4you/p,4ca36b34b8c9c,4b0fb1ddbab196_2,kibri-16507-h0-man-siemens-schienentiefladewagen
    8)
    Posted: 23 Oct 2011 12:30
      Roachie Chief Commissioner

    Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
    Thanks for the input from all you blokes.....

    I've ended up going with Trainorama 2BP bogies, which arrived today.

    I was looking at them and trying to work out how I will graft them into this model once it arrives.

    I decided that it would be best to add a decent bolster to each bogie and proceeded to scour my modelling bench to see what I could find that would be okay.

    BINGO!!!!!! I have a large number of the original wheelsets removed from my Lima 12 wheeler coaches many years ago. I removed a wheel from it's axle and then pushed the insulation out too. Imagine my delight when I found that the outer wheel face (with it's machined indented surface) was a beautiful push-fit onto the top of the bogie! These old Lima wheels are PERFECT for what I wanted. I haven't got enough 8BA brass bolts, but am in the process of ordering some from Brunnel Hobbies (if they have them in stock.

    Then it will just be a case of building 6 short bogie trucks (3 for each end), to replace the 6 x 4-wheel bogies that the TRIX model will come with.

    Roachie
    Posted: 27 Oct 2011 18:21
      james13 Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the Skunk Works
    Forget 8BA bolts, go M2, you can pick up a pack of 100 for around $10 from just about any bolt supplier.
    Posted: 27 Oct 2011 19:48
      Roachie Chief Commissioner

    Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
    Hmmm, maybe you're right; I will do a search to see if I can find some.

    Thanks,

    Roachie
    Posted: 27 Oct 2011 19:53
      james13 Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the Skunk Works
    I was in the process of editing my post when the computer shat itself and threw me out of everything.

    This is the wagon I'm building at the moment, not quite in the same league as the NSWGR one but it's big for the VR.









    Posted: 27 Oct 2011 19:59
      FirstStopCentral Chief Train Controller

    James,

    Beaut picks, didn't know Victorians had a heavy load wagon.

    How have you constructed the beams and the bolsters? Are they cast, 3d printed or just constructed from styrene, can't tell from the pictures.

    Regards
    Paul
    Posted: 27 Oct 2011 21:37
      james13 Chief Commissioner

    Location: At the Skunk Works
    Paul, basically the whole wagon is scratch built from sheet/strip styrene, the only commercial parts are the bogies, couplers, some of the brake gear and the shunters steps.
    Posted: 27 Oct 2011 21:57
      Hendo Deputy Commissioner

    Bachmann have released a US style HO Schnabel with transformer load shortly in three or four colour schemes at USD $250

    http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?searchStr=schnabel&act=viewCat&Submit=Go&WWS=1&FAW=1


    Cheers,
    Hendo
    Posted: 28 Oct 2011 22:05
      vjm Locomotive Fireman

    Bachmann have released a US style HO Schnabel with transformer load shortly in three or four colour schemes at USD $250

    http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?searchStr=schnabel&act=viewCat&Submit=Go&WWS=1&FAW=1

    Cheers,
    Hendo
    "Hendo"

    From what I can see, that's pretty much the same as the Chinese one above, with 32 wheels.
    Posted: 28 Oct 2011 23:55
      Hendo Deputy Commissioner

    No doubt it is the same as the bachmann china one, given the loading gauges
    Posted: 29 Oct 2011 07:33
      Roachie Chief Commissioner

    Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
    Yes, that one has 36 axles and is BIG, MEAN MUTHA!!! By comparison, the NZZA800 of the NSWGR is "small", having only 24 axles.

    I am in the process of making up 6x brass "bridges" to make the 6 small dollies to replace the 6x 4-wheel bogies. One thing I think could be an issue is that by using individual bogies in lieu of the quad bogies supplied, the axle spacings will be greater. IE: looking at the photos of the TRIX wagon, the axles appear to be spaced closer together than the 2 axles of a typical bogie. To overcome this, I am making these little "dollies" with only 31mm bogie pivot spacings.....which means the flanges of axles 2 & 3 almost touch. I have run this set-up through my tightest piece of trackwork (a large radius Peco curved point), and they whole sheebang seems to go through with no dramas.

    Time alone will tell if I am on the money........just waiting for the package to arrive from Germany now.

    Roachie
    Posted: 29 Oct 2011 08:54
      a6et Minister for Railways

    Bachmann have released a US style HO Schnabel with transformer load shortly in three or four colour schemes at USD $250

    http://www.bachmanntrains.com/home-usa/products.php?searchStr=schnabel&act=viewCat&Submit=Go&WWS=1&FAW=1

    Cheers,
    Hendo
    "Hendo"

    From what I can see, that's pretty much the same as the Chinese one above, with 32 wheels.
    "vjm"


    It is the same model as the Chinese version is also a Bachmann branded item., the Countries changed to confuse the innocent, that's about all, & probably to ask more for it as welll.
    Posted: 29 Oct 2011 11:04
      Trainoholic Beginner

    I found more of these type of wagon here
    http://www.con-sys.com/all_schnabelcatalog.htm
    Posted: 13 Dec 2011 13:30
      Roachie Chief Commissioner

    Location: Kadina SA (formerly NSW)
    Just reviving my old thread.

    I have been using the Trix version of NZZA800 for the past 7 years or so. The only alterations I made to it previously was the bogies in their little short frames with the old Lima wheels as the pivots. I also doctored-up the ends so I could mount the Kadees.

    Well, I retired at the end of June and as one of my little projects I've decided to do some more work to the wagon to make it look a bit more like the NSW version.

    The large carrier beam at each end was in the wrong position (the TRIX model has it close the load-bearing/centre of the wagon....whereas the NSW one has it on the outer ends of the wagon).

    So, first job was to pull it all apart and change that around. I also got rid of all the very-nice-looking hand railings around the area of the two control cabins. Although it is very fine detail, including scale wire mesh, it just doesn't belong on the NSW version.

    I now have to fabricate some new handrails from brass wire and I'll be mounting the cabins in a slightly more accurate location.

    Lastly, I'll be repainting the whole thing (except the bogies etc) in a sort of rust red colour.

    I have so many jobs to do in retirement I'll have to live to be 120 I think!! hahaha

    http://www.nswgoodsrollingstock.com/NZZA800.htm

    Roachie
    Posted: 19 Jul 2018 18:18

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