The Death of Fairfax Media

 
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Regional journalism and media got the ball rolling out of Newcastle on the Royal Commission into the Catholic Church.
bevans
It wasn't just the RCC, the Anglican Diocese of Newcastle and other institutions had big problems that needed exposing.

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  emmastreet Train Controller

Location: Goulburn Valley
As a long time reader of "The Age" I just don't see how anyone thinks it's a "radical left" publication. Or is it because it's not always on the side of the rabid right?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

In certain places Fairfax has been a mouthpiece of Trades Hall and the ALP left/Greens.

And they're always promoting radical social changes and bagging out conservatives.  It wasn't always this way.

In many ways the Murdoch media acts as the alternative viewpoint to balance it out. At the same time I often get annoyed at their dog-whistling and bias too, and it occasionally reads like a Matthew Guy press release...
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
All of which just goes to prove that "media bias" means something that doesn't agree with the reader's prejudices.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
In certain places Fairfax has been a mouthpiece of Trades Hall and the ALP left/Greens.

And they're always promoting radical social changes and bagging out conservatives.  It wasn't always this way.

In many ways the Murdoch media acts as the alternative viewpoint to balance it out. At the same time I often get annoyed at their dog-whistling and bias too, and it occasionally reads like a Matthew Guy press release...
Carnot
Yep we'll just ignore the corruption investigative pieces that ended up at NSW ICAC. Seem to draw in the corrupt politicians and grubby individuals on both sides of the political fence. So saying that they are always a mouth piece for greens and the ALP left is garbage.

Maybe Carnot you were meant to say:
In certain places Newscorp has been a mouthpiece of IPA and the LNP/ONP.
And they're always promoting radical austerity and bagging out moderates.  It wasn't always this way.

In many ways the Fairfax media acts as the alternative viewpoint to balance it out. At the same time I often get annoyed at their dog-whistling and bias too, and it occasionally reads like a Bill Shorten press release...



More seriously, I enjoy media from Fairfax and Newscorp and also enjoy information form both sides of the political divide to consider.

It helps me to form a personal view on how I will vote in the next election. I feel sorry for people on all sides of politics that are rusted on true believers that think their position is infallible and everyone else is wrong. It is scary and worries me as it then means we do not debate, we end up going to war over nonsense.

It is sad in a way, that it will remain to be seen if the new Nine will do any investigative journalism. That is the issue. However I do agree that this change is inevitable as this is a global issue where investigative journalism doesn't make coin any more and clickbait for everyone's social media feed is where it is now. Too hard to compete with the piece on the new royal bride wore a hat on Thursday as that will influence everyone, compared to a piece on corruption at the core of our political system.

yep keep it light and fluffy, the world is too hard.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

In certain places Fairfax has been a mouthpiece of Trades Hall and the ALP left/Greens.

And they're always promoting radical social changes and bagging out conservatives.  It wasn't always this way.

In many ways the Murdoch media acts as the alternative viewpoint to balance it out. At the same time I often get annoyed at their dog-whistling and bias too, and it occasionally reads like a Matthew Guy press release...
Carnot
Absolute rubbish. You must be an idiot to believe that.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
More seriously, I enjoy media from Fairfax and Newscorp and also enjoy information form both sides of the political divide to consider.

It helps me to form a personal view on how I will vote in the next election. I feel sorry for people on all sides of politics that are rusted on true believers that think their position is infallible and everyone else is wrong. It is scary and worries me as it then means we do not debate, we end up going to war over nonsense.
Big J
Well said, in reality it is the approx 20% of swinging voters who hold our pollies to account - if they stuff up they lose office. The (again approx) 40% rusted on Labor and 40% rusted on Liberal / National voters are part of the problem not part of the solution.

And, yes, read widely, read all sorts of views and them make up YOUR OWN mind, don't let someone else do it for you.

BG
  fzr560 Chief Train Controller

In certain places Fairfax has been a mouthpiece of Trades Hall and the ALP left/Greens.

And they're always promoting radical social changes and bagging out conservatives.  It wasn't always this way.

In many ways the Murdoch media acts as the alternative viewpoint to balance it out. At the same time I often get annoyed at their dog-whistling and bias too, and it occasionally reads like a Matthew Guy press release...
Absolute rubbish. You must be an idiot to believe that.
nswtrains
"You must be an idiot to believe that".......Carnot made several points. Are you disagreeing with all of them or just one? If you feel the need to call other people idiots, please, at least be specific. The other option would be to construct a rational counterpoint to the ideas that trouble you. Too hard?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

In certain places Fairfax has been a mouthpiece of Trades Hall and the ALP left/Greens.

And they're always promoting radical social changes and bagging out conservatives.  It wasn't always this way.

In many ways the Murdoch media acts as the alternative viewpoint to balance it out. At the same time I often get annoyed at their dog-whistling and bias too, and it occasionally reads like a Matthew Guy press release...
Carnot
In certain places Fairfax has been a mouthpiece of Trades Hall and the ALP left/Greens.

Maybe, maybe not, but I have never seen The Age calling out the right in the way attack dogs like Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine call out the left.

And they're always promoting radical social changes.

What are you talking about? Recognizing the LGBTI community? How is that Radical change? Because you do not think they should exist, or seen or heard? Some people lose their absolute head when companies simply recognize that community. Because some people have listened to people from the right wing whispering in their ear convincing them that their lives have been adversely affected because minority groups are being recognized, and that is complete bollocks. You may not agree with the LGBTI and that's fine, but they have a right to exist.

and bagging out conservatives.


And I hope they do continue to bag out the Conservative Christian Right who have ruin the Victorian Liberal Party. The Conservative Christian Right who believe in "small government" allowing corporations to do what they like and circumvent local planning laws and in the same breath they want to pry in the business of two consenting adults of the same sex, or women who want abortions. And who promote discrimination against groups they do not agree with using Religious Freedom as an excuse

Michael
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Interesting analysis piece from the ABC exploring the problems that beset Fairfax and C9 and will continue to affect all traditional media. Also explores some of the poor decision making at Fairfax that got them to this point

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-30/facebook-nine-fairfax-advertising-ian-verrender/10050410

BG
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
In many ways the Murdoch media acts as the alternative viewpoint to balance it out......
......I have never seen The Age calling out the right in the way attack dogs like Andrew Bolt and Miranda Devine call out the left.

Michael
mejhammers1
Depends on your definition of "balance"?
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Interesting analysis piece from the ABC exploring the problems that beset Fairfax and C9 and will continue to affect all traditional media. Also explores some of the poor decision making at Fairfax that got them to this point

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-07-30/facebook-nine-fairfax-advertising-ian-verrender/10050410

BG
BrentonGolding
This really stood out for me in that article:

"Digital advertising this year will account for half the $16 billion total. Television ads are expected to fall to around $3.8 billion while print media will attract just $1.5 billion."
  gordon_s1942 Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Tablelands of NSW
At one time Radio was the only source of 'Instant News' with the Newspaper providing great in depth detail with Television a sort of 'Side Dish' with Video.
Today technology such as these SMART phones provide all 3 facets and do it NOW almost everywhere you are.
Not that but they allow the user to respond in the same time frame.

Prior to the introduction of 'Social Media' comments on reported items was available only in the 'Letters to the Editor' which no one else saw but today, I, We and You can now comment for all the world to see what our opinions are of any reported item.

Mergers of any kind do cause unseen changes, some of which may be not exactly what is expected to happen.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The ABC's Media Watch Has Been (Predictably) Critical of the Merger http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4877222.htm
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The ABC's Media Watch Has Been (Predictably) Critical of the Merger http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4877222.htm
Dangersdan707
Yes, totally predictable. Easy for the ABC to say from their publicly funded Ivory Tower, the problem is that commercial media is exactly that - commercial. If they don't make money from ads and subscriptions they cease to exist.

Hywood tried for years to bail out the sinking ship cutting costs and re-positioning the Fairfax business, how do these critics intend to arrest the decline where he couldn't? Put up or shut up I say.

So funny to see all those ex journos, editors etc who made their money back in the good old days having a moan about the death of journalism, if they are anything like the journos i knew back in the day they spent half their time in the pub on the bosses time!

BG
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The ABC's Media Watch Has Been (Predictably) Critical of the Merger http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4877222.htm
Dangersdan707
Speaking of journalism (or editing which used to be an important role in the print media), what is with Capital Letters on (almost) Every Word dan?

Are you typing on the mobile and have the settings all wrong?

BG
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
My phone has been doing some weird, random capitalisations lately too!
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

The ABC's Media Watch Has Been (Predictably) Critical of the Merger http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s4877222.htm
Speaking of journalism (or editing which used to be an important role in the print media), what is with Capital Letters on (almost) Every Word dan?

Are you typing on the mobile and have the settings all wrong?

BG
BrentonGolding
Only a rusted on Liberal supporter would call himself Brenton Golding.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Only a rusted on Liberal supporter would call himself Brenton Golding.
"nswtrains"
Isn't it just a teeny, weeny bit possible that his parents called him Brenton Golding? Hmmm.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Only a rusted on Liberal supporter would call himself Brenton Golding.
nswtrains
Yer what what? Aside from the fact that I not only have never voted Liberal but was once a card carrying member of the ALP (Collingwood Branch, Victoria), I have absolutely no idea what that even means?!?!?!?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Only a rusted on Liberal supporter would call himself Brenton Golding.
Isn't it just a teeny, weeny bit possible that his parents called him Brenton Golding? Hmmm.
Valvegear
Unfortunately true Valvegear. Brenton is a quite a common name in my home state of SA, there were 7 of us in my primary school IIRC. After moving to Melbourne in the late 80s that name became a real burden and I have been called every name under the sun Very Happy ever since.  

BG
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I lost my respect for Fairfax when they lowered themselves to a Tabloid rag and then decided to charge to read their website.

Their competition was even worse, unfit to even be used as emergency dunny paper.
mikesyd

So in a nut shell you want to read FREE news...and damn paying the journo's who report it.

M.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

Interesting to see whether it shall have an effect on the content of both papers. That Would mean the Australian would be the Only Paper worth Reading as the rest would be Smeg!
Dangersdan707

The Oz is already cr@p because its owned by right wing News Ltd Murdoch who has an open bias against the Labor party.

Read some of the startling stuff from Miranda Divine to get an idea.

Mike.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Yeah about 2007/2008 I stopped watching Q and A, I used to love it and would tape it if I couldn’t see it live, but about 10 years ago it just became rubbish.
Aaron

Q&A only celebrated its 10th anniversary three weeks ago.

M.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville

Interesting to see whether it shall have an effect on the content of both papers. That Would mean the Australian would be the Only Paper worth Reading as the rest would be Smeg!
The Oz is already cr@p because its owned by right wing News Ltd Murdoch who has an open bias against the Labor party.

Read some of the startling stuff from Miranda Divine to get an idea.

Mike.
The Vinelander

Cursed from birth with Frank Devine as her father.

Foreign editor Greg Sheridan cracks me up. Every column must include at least one derogatory use of the word 'socialist' and a reference to some world leader/dictator he once had lunch with Razz

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