New V/Line timetables - August 2018

 
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I cast my eyes over the latest offering today, keen to see if there is any improvement in running times for the majority of Gippsland InterCity services after the introduction of VLocity trains to Bairnsdale later this month.

Total fizzer: https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/e03d16d7-9850-469c-8527-28ef11d627fc/Bairnsdale-Melbourne-(via-Sale,-Traralgon-Warr

Some services are a bit quicker between Traralgon and Garfield but the running times for the whole trip are almost identical to the current timetable. In fact, most services in the commuter area have been slowed yet again.

The only consolation is that the stopping pattern for the InterCity services has been retained.

Some V/Line exec will no doubt feel a tingle in his jocks at the prospect of announcing an increased number of VLocity semi-express services for Gippsland pax, but in reality Gippsland commuters have been dudded again. And, performance targets will now be slightly easier to achieve.

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I cast my eyes over the latest offering today, keen to see if there is any improvement in running times for the majority of Gippsland InterCity services after the introduction of VLocity trains to Bairnsdale later this month.

Total fizzer: https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/e03d16d7-9850-469c-8527-28ef11d627fc/Bairnsdale-Melbourne-(via-Sale,-Traralgon-Warr

Some services are a bit quicker between Traralgon and Garfield but the running times for the whole trip are almost identical to the current timetable. In fact, most services in the commuter area have been slowed yet again.

The only consolation is that the stopping pattern for the InterCity services has been retained.

Some V/Line exec will no doubt feel a tingle in his jocks at the prospect of announcing an increased number of VLocity semi-express services for Gippsland pax, but in reality Gippsland commuters have been dudded again. And, performance targets will now be slightly easier to achieve.
DirtyBallast
Some handy improvements for Geelong and Warnambool pax but nothing at all for Ballarat or Bendigo.

Ballarat will obviously see vast improvements once the current half a billion $ of works are completed but the lack of any change for Bendigo pax is a symptom of the problems that the line has.

As posted elsewhere the Regional Rail Revival funds for the Bendigo line are actually all being spent beyond Bendigo station, there is nothing being done between the Go and Sunbury save for improved maintenance.

Does this mean as many suspect that paths are pretty much maxxed out due to the singling north of Kyneton or that V/Line does not see passenger numbers continuing to rise on the line? I would personally like to have seen another morning Down service between the 07.41 Swan Hill and the 09.14 Bendigo for a start.

With no announcement of funds to begin re-duplication of the line in the RRR funding cycle I suspect it is going to be a few years yet before we see any works in this area which will mean that aside from adding extra carriages to existing services (such as the Up Friday night footy trains which are standing room only at this time of the year) there will be no tools available to V/Line to improve services for Bendigo corridor passengers.

BG
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
To replace the double line beyond Kyneton would be a public admission that a not so long ago Labor Government stuffed up.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I cast my eyes over the latest offering today, keen to see if there is any improvement in running times for the majority of Gippsland InterCity services after the introduction of VLocity trains to Bairnsdale later this month.

Total fizzer: https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/e03d16d7-9850-469c-8527-28ef11d627fc/Bairnsdale-Melbourne-(via-Sale,-Traralgon-Warr

Some services are a bit quicker between Traralgon and Garfield but the running times for the whole trip are almost identical to the current timetable. In fact, most services in the commuter area have been slowed yet again.

The only consolation is that the stopping pattern for the InterCity services has been retained.

Some V/Line exec will no doubt feel a tingle in his jocks at the prospect of announcing an increased number of VLocity semi-express services for Gippsland pax, but in reality Gippsland commuters have been dudded again. And, performance targets will now be slightly easier to achieve.
DirtyBallast

V'Locity is about 45 mins faster than bus/train to/from Bairnsdale, and around 20 mins faster than N set...but no on-board refresh.

Mike.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

I cast my eyes over the latest offering today, keen to see if there is any improvement in running times for the majority of Gippsland InterCity services after the introduction of VLocity trains to Bairnsdale later this month.

Total fizzer: https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/e03d16d7-9850-469c-8527-28ef11d627fc/Bairnsdale-Melbourne-(via-Sale,-Traralgon-Warr

Some services are a bit quicker between Traralgon and Garfield but the running times for the whole trip are almost identical to the current timetable. In fact, most services in the commuter area have been slowed yet again.

The only consolation is that the stopping pattern for the InterCity services has been retained.

Some V/Line exec will no doubt feel a tingle in his jocks at the prospect of announcing an increased number of VLocity semi-express services for Gippsland pax, but in reality Gippsland commuters have been dudded again. And, performance targets will now be slightly easier to achieve.
Some handy improvements for Geelong and Warnambool pax but nothing at all for Ballarat or Bendigo.

Ballarat will obviously see vast improvements once the current half a billion $ of works are completed but the lack of any change for Bendigo pax is a symptom of the problems that the line has.

As posted elsewhere the Regional Rail Revival funds for the Bendigo line are actually all being spent beyond Bendigo station, there is nothing being done between the Go and Sunbury save for improved maintenance.

Does this mean as many suspect that paths are pretty much maxxed out due to the singling north of Kyneton or that V/Line does not see passenger numbers continuing to rise on the line? I would personally like to have seen another morning Down service between the 07.41 Swan Hill and the 09.14 Bendigo for a start.

With no announcement of funds to begin re-duplication of the line in the RRR funding cycle I suspect it is going to be a few years yet before we see any works in this area which will mean that aside from adding extra carriages to existing services (such as the Up Friday night footy trains which are standing room only at this time of the year) there will be no tools available to V/Line to improve services for Bendigo corridor passengers.

BG
BrentonGolding
They could start by not rubbing salt into the wounds of Bendigo commuters. Cut Sunbury loose. This would allow further loading up the line and a more comfortable journey for all. No need to allow Metro commuters to board an already loaded Bendigo service. This would require Metro to up the frequency to 20 minutes. Bendigo services should run express to Watergardens then on to Footscray.
  L1150 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Pakenham Vic.
I cast my eyes over the latest offering today, keen to see if there is any improvement in running times for the majority of Gippsland InterCity services after the introduction of VLocity trains to Bairnsdale later this month.

Total fizzer: https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/e03d16d7-9850-469c-8527-28ef11d627fc/Bairnsdale-Melbourne-(via-Sale,-Traralgon-Warr

Some services are a bit quicker between Traralgon and Garfield but the running times for the whole trip are almost identical to the current timetable. In fact, most services in the commuter area have been slowed yet again.

The only consolation is that the stopping pattern for the InterCity services has been retained.

Some V/Line exec will no doubt feel a tingle in his jocks at the prospect of announcing an increased number of VLocity semi-express services for Gippsland pax, but in reality Gippsland commuters have been dudded again. And, performance targets will now be slightly easier to achieve.

V'Locity is about 45 mins faster than bus/train to/from Bairnsdale, and around 20 mins faster than N set...but no on-board refresh.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Mike, where do you get the idea that a Vlocity is 20 mins faster than an N set? Is that the potential time difference? Because, as others have pointed out, the new timetable shows that Bairnsdale services with Velocities is virtually no different to the old N set timetable, which shows, in my mind, a totally dysfunctional Vline and transport minister!! Sad
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
It also shows that there is a lot of fat built into the timetable for the Bairnsdale VLocity trains. It looks like they are timetabled for 115km/h running on the Class 2 north counter-peak line, with the capability of running at 130km/h to make up several minutes if needed.

This is how punctuality will be improved. Technically.

Bonuses all round for the execs! No gains for the pax!
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
It also shows that there is a lot of fat built into the timetable for the Bairnsdale VLocity trains. It looks like they are timetabled for 115km/h running on the Class 2 north counter-peak line, with the capability of running at 130km/h to make up several minutes if needed.

This is how punctuality will be improved. Technically.

Bonuses all round for the execs! No gains for the pax!
DirtyBallast

It's the same creative thinking the Baillieu government used to extend the running times on the Frankston line that under the Brumby government were running late...allowing the previously late trains to then run on-time.

I'll study the new T/T in more detail over a sandwich at lunchtime.

Mike.
  skitz Chief Commissioner

It also shows that there is a lot of fat built into the timetable for the Bairnsdale VLocity trains. It looks like they are timetabled for 115km/h running on the Class 2 north counter-peak line, with the capability of running at 130km/h to make up several minutes if needed.

This is how punctuality will be improved. Technically.

Bonuses all round for the execs! No gains for the pax!

It's the same creative thinking the Baillieu government used to extend the running times on the Frankston line that under the Brumby government were running late...allowing the previously late trains to then run on-time.

I'll study the new T/T in more detail over a sandwich at lunchtime.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Exactly what acceptance of mediocrity is.

In the same category as a culture that is trained to accept 'within 5 minutes' to be classed as on-time.   It just kills the incentives to know when one is late and raise the diligence/awareness to correct/arrest the issue.

If the time table and the run speed for the new Vlocity time table to Bairnsdale are true, then this should be a letter to the local political representation/media to bring accountability - after all, as voters, we have just paid for the infrastructure only not to be utilised (sigh, only to be too distracted by the shiny new trains)
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
It also shows that there is a lot of fat built into the timetable for the Bairnsdale VLocity trains. It looks like they are timetabled for 115km/h running on the Class 2 north counter-peak line, with the capability of running at 130km/h to make up several minutes if needed.

This is how punctuality will be improved. Technically.

Bonuses all round for the execs! No gains for the pax!
DirtyBallast

Never held accountable for poor operational standards.  Pathetic.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
It also shows that there is a lot of fat built into the timetable for the Bairnsdale VLocity trains. It looks like they are timetabled for 115km/h running on the Class 2 north counter-peak line, with the capability of running at 130km/h to make up several minutes if needed.

This is how punctuality will be improved. Technically.

Bonuses all round for the execs! No gains for the pax!

Never held accountable for poor operational standards.  Pathetic.
x31

Settle down...don't get ur knickers in a twist...Surprised

The fastest UP service becomes the 16:37 V'Locity at 3"47' compared to the 12:55 bus/train at 4"15'.

The fastest DOWN service becomes the 08:04 V'Locity at 3"29' compared to the slowest at 08:13 train/bus at 4"32'.

So there ARE some significant savings on SOME services.

My feeling is when the new long distance V'Locity's are implemented there will be a further acceleration of the timetables to make for a more stark contrast in running times compared to the 'classic fleet'.


In my opinion, the 08:04 with the 3"29' running time at an average 81Km/h with stops on a Sunday morning would be well worth a ride in the Spring, with bicycle in tow for a bit of a tour around East Gippsland.

Mike.
  n459L1150 Train Controller

Location: at sunbury on a V/line service into melbourne, waiting for thousands of impatient people to get on
I cast my eyes over the latest offering today, keen to see if there is any improvement in running times for the majority of Gippsland InterCity services after the introduction of VLocity trains to Bairnsdale later this month.

Total fizzer: https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/e03d16d7-9850-469c-8527-28ef11d627fc/Bairnsdale-Melbourne-(via-Sale,-Traralgon-Warr

Some services are a bit quicker between Traralgon and Garfield but the running times for the whole trip are almost identical to the current timetable. In fact, most services in the commuter area have been slowed yet again.

The only consolation is that the stopping pattern for the InterCity services has been retained.

Some V/Line exec will no doubt feel a tingle in his jocks at the prospect of announcing an increased number of VLocity semi-express services for Gippsland pax, but in reality Gippsland commuters have been dudded again. And, performance targets will now be slightly easier to achieve.
Some handy improvements for Geelong and Warnambool pax but nothing at all for Ballarat or Bendigo.

Ballarat will obviously see vast improvements once the current half a billion $ of works are completed but the lack of any change for Bendigo pax is a symptom of the problems that the line has.

As posted elsewhere the Regional Rail Revival funds for the Bendigo line are actually all being spent beyond Bendigo station, there is nothing being done between the Go and Sunbury save for improved maintenance.

Does this mean as many suspect that paths are pretty much maxxed out due to the singling north of Kyneton or that V/Line does not see passenger numbers continuing to rise on the line? I would personally like to have seen another morning Down service between the 07.41 Swan Hill and the 09.14 Bendigo for a start.

With no announcement of funds to begin re-duplication of the line in the RRR funding cycle I suspect it is going to be a few years yet before we see any works in this area which will mean that aside from adding extra carriages to existing services (such as the Up Friday night footy trains which are standing room only at this time of the year) there will be no tools available to V/Line to improve services for Bendigo corridor passengers.

BG
They could start by not rubbing salt into the wounds of Bendigo commuters. Cut Sunbury loose. This would allow further loading up the line and a more comfortable journey for all. No need to allow Metro commuters to board an already loaded Bendigo service. This would require Metro to up the frequency to 20 minutes. Bendigo services should run express to Watergardens then on to Footscray.
Lockie91
Watergardens would give you the same issue as sunbury. Why not just make 1 platform at sunbury V/line only with an inspector or drop-off only? Or have announcements over the PA saying "please do not board the train on platform whatever"
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
^^ Mike,

Comparing train to train/bus is not the point.

Let's compare the new and current timetables for Bairnsdale train services one by one, mmmkay?

First weekday Up: Retained as N set, running time slowed by 2 minutes.
Second weekday Up: VLocity, running time identical compared to the current N Set.
Third weekday Up: VLocity, running time slowed 3 minutes compared to the existing N Set.
First Saturday Up: Retained as N set, running time slowed by 2 minutes.
Second Saturday Up:
VLocity, running time identical compared to the current N Set.
Third Saturday Up: VLocity, running time identical compared to the current N Set.
First Sunday Up: Retained as N set, running time slowed by 1 minute.
Second Sunday Up: VLocity, running time identical compared to the current N Set.

First weekday Down: VLocity, running time sped up 2 minutes compared to the existing N Set.  
Second
weekday Down:
VLocity, running time sped up 2 minutes compared to the existing N Set.
Third weekday Down: Retained as N set, running time slowed by 1 minute.
First Saturday Down: VLocity, running time sped up 1 minute compared to the existing N Set.
Second Saturday Down: VLocity, running time identical compared to the current N Set.
Third Saturday Down: Retained as N set, running time slowed by 1 minute.
First Sunday Down: VLocity, running time identical compared to the current N Set.
Second Sunday Down:Retained as N set, running time slowed by 1 minute.  


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EDIT - Not sure why the text ended up all funny.


 
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

To replace the double line beyond Kyneton would be a public admission that a not so long ago Labor Government stuffed up.
YM-Mundrabilla
Hello All,

with the benefit of hindsight , and much informed public responses at the time, this is true. However, the advice from the MoT at the time made the recommendations based on availability of funds and their ( proven wrong ) perceptions of passenger growth.

As other respondents have previously noted, public transport future demand is always underestimated, and road traffic growth is overestimated to justify capital spending. Road traffic growth becomes a self fulfilling prophecy based on the known motorist behaviour of increased motor use in the event of new or upgraded road systems. The current traffic flows on Tullamarine Freeway (as noted by other respondents ) is evidence of this.

Regards, Radioman
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

Hello All,

Two general observations. First, On Time running.

The VR used the old accepted Standard throughout the VR of On Time to 3 minutes +/- 30 seconds. ( ie 1 second to 30 seconds goes down to the previous minute, and 31 seconds to 59 seconds goes up to the next minute.)

The US ICC Standard was On Time to 5 minutes per 100 miles / ( 160 kilometres ). Hence, why US Transcontinental services could arrive 35 minutes + late "on the advertised" but still be technically on time.

The current Metro Standard is On Time to 4 minutes + 59 seconds. ( ie goes down to the previous minute.)

Second. Catch Up time, and dwell time.

The VR dwell time was 20 seconds, though some Country stops were publicly listed in X Minutes to accomodate connecting and parcels traffic.

While each service will include a pre determined catch up time allowance ; if experience shows that certain trains run consistently late, then timings are adjusted to accomodate passenger loading at specific stations on that service. This is a logical approach as it ensures that the published time table can, in normal circumstances, be adhered too. There is no point in continuing with a schedule which cannot be met.

Regards, Radioman.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

There is no point in continuing with a schedule which cannot be met.
Radioman

All well and good (and informative post, thanks @Radioman) but there is also no point continuing with a schedule when the rollingstock being used is ~50% faster and with substantially improved acceleration/braking performance compared to the stock the schedule was written for.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
^ My gripe is not that VLocity services from Bairnsdale to Melbourne or vice versa should be massively quicker than N Sets, but one would think that there would be some noticeable improvements.

The replacements are counter-peak, travel on Class 3 track between Bairnsdale and Traralgon (therefore no improvement) and Class 2 on the duplicated sections between Moe and Pakenham. But still, wouldn't one expect to see some time saved on the 30 km section between Moe and Warragul? Instead, we see 23 minutes allowed for the afternoon VLocity Bairnsdale Up between those stations, with the odd minute made up elsewhere, vs. 17 minutes for the existing ex-Traralgon evening VLocity semi-express on the same track.

The cynic in me suggests that the excuse for not replacing the morning Up/evening Down with VLocity's on August 26th has less to do with replenishment of the N Set at Bairnsdale and more to do with the total mess it will make with the timetable if another semi-express VLocity is introduced on the 'faster' track. Expect no replacement of that N Set until the Bunyip/Longwarry duplication and extended Morwell loop is completed!
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
I cast my eyes over the latest offering today, keen to see if there is any improvement in running times for the majority of Gippsland InterCity services after the introduction of VLocity trains to Bairnsdale later this month.

Total fizzer: https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/e03d16d7-9850-469c-8527-28ef11d627fc/Bairnsdale-Melbourne-(via-Sale,-Traralgon-Warr

Some services are a bit quicker between Traralgon and Garfield but the running times for the whole trip are almost identical to the current timetable. In fact, most services in the commuter area have been slowed yet again.

The only consolation is that the stopping pattern for the InterCity services has been retained.

Some V/Line exec will no doubt feel a tingle in his jocks at the prospect of announcing an increased number of VLocity semi-express services for Gippsland pax, but in reality Gippsland commuters have been dudded again. And, performance targets will now be slightly easier to achieve.
Some handy improvements for Geelong and Warnambool pax but nothing at all for Ballarat or Bendigo.

Ballarat will obviously see vast improvements once the current half a billion $ of works are completed but the lack of any change for Bendigo pax is a symptom of the problems that the line has.

As posted elsewhere the Regional Rail Revival funds for the Bendigo line are actually all being spent beyond Bendigo station, there is nothing being done between the Go and Sunbury save for improved maintenance.

Does this mean as many suspect that paths are pretty much maxxed out due to the singling north of Kyneton or that V/Line does not see passenger numbers continuing to rise on the line? I would personally like to have seen another morning Down service between the 07.41 Swan Hill and the 09.14 Bendigo for a start.

With no announcement of funds to begin re-duplication of the line in the RRR funding cycle I suspect it is going to be a few years yet before we see any works in this area which will mean that aside from adding extra carriages to existing services (such as the Up Friday night footy trains which are standing room only at this time of the year) there will be no tools available to V/Line to improve services for Bendigo corridor passengers.

BG
They could start by not rubbing salt into the wounds of Bendigo commuters. Cut Sunbury loose. This would allow further loading up the line and a more comfortable journey for all. No need to allow Metro commuters to board an already loaded Bendigo service. This would require Metro to up the frequency to 20 minutes. Bendigo services should run express to Watergardens then on to Footscray.
Watergardens would give you the same issue as sunbury. Why not just make 1 platform at sunbury V/line only with an inspector or drop-off only? Or have announcements over the PA saying "please do not board the train on platform whatever"
n459L1150
Why would you need to dedicate a platform? Just fine everybody who breaks the rules.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

I cast my eyes over the latest offering today, keen to see if there is any improvement in running times for the majority of Gippsland InterCity services after the introduction of VLocity trains to Bairnsdale later this month.

Total fizzer: https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/e03d16d7-9850-469c-8527-28ef11d627fc/Bairnsdale-Melbourne-(via-Sale,-Traralgon-Warr

Some services are a bit quicker between Traralgon and Garfield but the running times for the whole trip are almost identical to the current timetable. In fact, most services in the commuter area have been slowed yet again.

The only consolation is that the stopping pattern for the InterCity services has been retained.

Some V/Line exec will no doubt feel a tingle in his jocks at the prospect of announcing an increased number of VLocity semi-express services for Gippsland pax, but in reality Gippsland commuters have been dudded again. And, performance targets will now be slightly easier to achieve.
Some handy improvements for Geelong and Warnambool pax but nothing at all for Ballarat or Bendigo.

Ballarat will obviously see vast improvements once the current half a billion $ of works are completed but the lack of any change for Bendigo pax is a symptom of the problems that the line has.

As posted elsewhere the Regional Rail Revival funds for the Bendigo line are actually all being spent beyond Bendigo station, there is nothing being done between the Go and Sunbury save for improved maintenance.

Does this mean as many suspect that paths are pretty much maxxed out due to the singling north of Kyneton or that V/Line does not see passenger numbers continuing to rise on the line? I would personally like to have seen another morning Down service between the 07.41 Swan Hill and the 09.14 Bendigo for a start.

With no announcement of funds to begin re-duplication of the line in the RRR funding cycle I suspect it is going to be a few years yet before we see any works in this area which will mean that aside from adding extra carriages to existing services (such as the Up Friday night footy trains which are standing room only at this time of the year) there will be no tools available to V/Line to improve services for Bendigo corridor passengers.

BG
They could start by not rubbing salt into the wounds of Bendigo commuters. Cut Sunbury loose. This would allow further loading up the line and a more comfortable journey for all. No need to allow Metro commuters to board an already loaded Bendigo service. This would require Metro to up the frequency to 20 minutes. Bendigo services should run express to Watergardens then on to Footscray.
Watergardens would give you the same issue as sunbury. Why not just make 1 platform at sunbury V/line only with an inspector or drop-off only? Or have announcements over the PA saying "please do not board the train on platform whatever"
n459L1150

Serval Bendigo services already run EXP to Watergardens in the morning as well as some evening services express through Sunbury. The issue is there is some crusty old locals that never wanted the METRO service to Sunbury. They never wanted the "dirty" metro trains and the "trouble" coming from Watergardens. Non of which ever happened. When the spark project was completed Vline services were Drop Off only at Sunbury. Many of the above complained to the then Local Member and Vline caved in. Only a few years ago Vline hit back expressing serval crowed service through Sunbury to help ease the load.

You will still now find a hand full of people waiting for the 06.28 Vline service even though METRO has 06.18 and 06.36 services. The 6.18 service arrives at Southern Cross, 10 minutes after the METRO service.
  Lockie91 Train Controller

To replace the double line beyond Kyneton would be a public admission that a not so long ago Labor Government stuffed up.
YM-Mundrabilla
Im not familiar with this section of track.

Would it be possible to run a more frequent service to Kyenton?

Even if it is, there are inner core constraints. RRL is pretty much full up.
  ab123 Chief Train Controller

Re: Bairnsdale vlocity travel times, has Metro adjusted their timetables at all for the same date? If not then paths from Packenham will be an issue. The upside is a VL on a Loco hauled a schedule should be able to definitely make up some time resulting in getting to Packenham on time and not missing a path
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
To replace the double line beyond Kyneton would be a public admission that a not so long ago Labor Government stuffed up.
Im not familiar with this section of track.

Would it be possible to run a more frequent service to Kyenton?

Even if it is, there are inner core constraints. RRL is pretty much full up.
Lockie91

You can run as many services as you can fit between Sunbury and Kyneton as this is double track.  Kyneton to Kangaroo Flat was double track but singled 20 years ago which immediately led to service issues.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Re: Bairnsdale vlocity travel times, has Metro adjusted their timetables at all for the same date? If not then paths from Packenham will be an issue. The upside is a VL on a Loco hauled a schedule should be able to definitely make up some time resulting in getting to Packenham on time and not missing a path
ab123


Fair enough point but the Metro TT shouldn’t have any impact on a VLocity’s ability to hit 160 between Pakenham and Traralgon. I think that’s where most people would have been expecting any time improvements to come from. As it is V/Line have actually padded some of the schedules which is genuinely ludicrous.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Im not familiar with this section of track.

Would it be possible to run a more frequent service to Kyenton?

Even if it is, there are inner core constraints. RRL is pretty much full up.

You can run as many services as you can fit between Sunbury and Kyneton as this is double track.  Kyneton to Kangaroo Flat was double track but singled 20 years ago which immediately led to service issues.
x31
Yes, between Sunbury and Kyneton. But as Lockie suggests above you have not only got capacity constraints at the Down end of Kyneton but you have a similar problem at the Up end of Sunbury, both on the RRL and mixing it with the Sparks SBY > Up side Albion RRL junction.

But yes Lockie, theoretically if patronage justified it and paths could be found SC > Kyneton there is plenty of capacity to do so in that section, Kyneton has stabling yards at the Down end and crossovers at the Up end as well to get them out of the way of other traffic, works quite well most of the time.

Here is a Left fielder for you, there are already 2 week day services each way that run Kyneton > SC and vice versa, run a couple more with 6 car velocities stopping Footscray > SBY > Clarkefied and all stops to Kyneton using paths from existing SBY express services!

Basically and extension of SBY services to Kyneton. Then more Bendigo services could run express to Kyneton and then all stations.

OK, running for cover now!

BG
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Here is a Left fielder for you, there are already 2 week day services each way that run Kyneton > SC and vice versa, run a couple more with 6 car velocities stopping Footscray > SBY > Clarkefied and all stops to Kyneton using paths from existing SBY express services!
BrentonGolding

Yes I think I’ll be performing the air raid on this one BG.

There are no Sunbury express services - none, nada, zero, zilch, except those not stopping Tottenham-West Footscray-Middle Footscray. Everything with a pantograph on it stops all stations from Sunshine.

That said there are perhaps a couple more peak paths could be extracted Sunbury-Sunshine but the real problem would be Sunshine-SCS as mentioned above, even allowing for some scheme running via the Main Suburban.

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