The price tag seems awfully high to me?
Delivering Trains Every 10 Minutes On The Cranbourne Line
The ALP has announced they will now duplicate the line between Dandenong and Cranbourne presumably due to the operating restricts but I also think this is a reaction to the Coalition election promise we saw a few weeks ago.Why can't they INCLUDE the Clyde extension at the same time. Surely it would be much cheaper to do it all under the same contract considering Camms Road crossing should/will go. The Sth Gippsland Hwy, Narre Warren/Cranbourne Road, Broad Oak Drive - which has only be open about 12/18 months - Berwick/Cranbourne Road at Casey Fields, and whatever other crossings to Clyde.
The price tag seems awfully high to me?
Delivering Trains Every 10 Minutes On The Cranbourne Line
They did close Springvale road at Nunawading, it as only for 4 weeks or so though over the chistmas holidays. What they did was build the abutments for the new bridge in excavations in the road, when these were done the road was closed while the new deck was put on and then the ground was excavated under the new deck to provide the cutting for the line. It was still chaos around there for quite while as the number of lanes availible was reduced while the new abutments were being built.The ALP has announced they will now duplicate the line between Dandenong and Cranbourne presumably due to the operating restricts but I also think this is a reaction to the Coalition election promise we saw a few weeks ago.Why can't they INCLUDE the Clyde extension at the same time. Surely it would be much cheaper to do it all under the same contract considering Camms Road crossing should/will go. The Sth Gippsland Hwy, Narre Warren/Cranbourne Road, Broad Oak Drive - which has only be open about 12/18 months - Berwick/Cranbourne Road at Casey Fields, and whatever other crossings to Clyde.
The price tag seems awfully high to me?
Delivering Trains Every 10 Minutes On The Cranbourne Line
If the crossings are Sky Railed, a new Cranbourne station should be built on the other side of Sth Gippsland Hwy. This of course would create problems for entry to the Cranbourne Stablings. If Sth Gippsland Hwy was road over rail, (by trenching the rail, I know there will be comments re traffic disruptions, but it has been done before, I think the Middleborough Road crossing at Laburnum and Springvale Road at Nunawading was done by the tunnel excavation method without creating traffic problems) this could solve the entry to the stablings. This would mean that a rebuilt Cranbourne station could be either lowered or the tracks come out of the trench to a new Cranbourne station at normal level. The current reservation APPEARS to be wide enough.
@bevans we're already discussing this on the Coalition's announcement thread.If anywhere, it should be in the Melbourne forum.
https://Railpage.com.au/f-t11386421.htm
Can I politely ask you lock this and we keep the discussion of competing proposals in one place?
A quick calculation provides a cost per metre of $45,000 to build the second track and associated infrastructure. Gold Plated?It does seem stupidly expensive. It makes the RFR seem like an absolute bargain, although it's not exactly comparing apples with apple given how pricey overhead wiring and Metro signalling seems to make it. i.e. Sunbury electrification was $270 million over existing 15km of double track, only slightly less than whole Bendigo line RFR.
how can the Minister state this is the longest single section of track when her party has left long sections of single track between Kyneton and Bendigo?
Not forgetting all the extra trains will still remain stuck in the mine numbing slow sequence between Melbourne and Dandenong.
Running time is missing form all the government rhetoric. We will have a frequent but still slow service which allows you to feel good about yourself because you cant be on time and 'only have t o wait 10 minutes'
Imagine if this money and the Gippsland upgrade money was added to the original Skyrail budget to deliver the quad track scope.......
Not forgetting all the extra trains will still remain stuck in the mine numbing slow sequence between Melbourne and Dandenong.and yet again the run time into Melbourne for the Gippsland region comes up.
Running time is missing form all the government rhetoric. We will have a frequent but still slow service which allows you to feel good about yourself because you cant be on time and 'only have t o wait 10 minutes'
Imagine if this money and the Gippsland upgrade money was added to the original Skyrail budget to deliver the quad track scope.......
By way of comparison between Metro(some express) MX, V/Line, and theoretical 120kph (rounded). What could VL save if achieved the max ?All very good, but as I said neither party has shown any interest in doing this. That said, if I were to put this forward as a proposal, I would forget about 120km/h and go for 160km/h, and I would also have made sure the newest EMUs (the HMCTs being built) could acheive that speed.
Flinders St to Caulfield 11.8km MX 12min, VL 12min, @120 6min (VL save 6min)
Caulfield to Dandenong 19.4km M 28min, VL 25min, @120 10min (VL save 15min)
Dand'ng to Pakenham 26.9km M 28min, VL 20min, @120 15min (VL save 5min)
Pakenham to Warragul 41.6km VL 35min, @120 21min (VL save 14min)
Warragul to Traralgon 58.1km VL 45min, @120 30min (VL save 15min)
Traralgon to Sale 48.8km VL 35min, @120 25min (VL save 10min)
Sale to Bairnsdale 68km VL 56min, @120 34min (VL save 22min).
Cranbourne to Clyde extension needs to happen,...120kph is just an easy round number to make a point of comparison.
2 new tracks between Caulfield and Dandenong would be the best outcome but neither major party has said anything about doing this.By way of comparison between Metro(some express) MX, V/Line, and theoretical 120kph (rounded). What could VL save if achieved the max ?All very good, but as I said neither party has shown any interest in doing this. That said, if I were to put this forward as a proposal, I would forget about 120km/h and go for 160km/h, and I would also have made sure the newest EMUs (the HMCTs being built) could acheive that speed.
Flinders St to Caulfield 11.8km MX 12min, VL 12min, @120 6min (VL save 6min)
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Why not? It would be a new track build, the line is fairly straight, why not get the best? Imagine having Pakenham or Cranbourne express trains running to the city from Dandenong with just the one stop at Caulfield and a line speed of 160km/h. What would that cut the time down to? What would it cut the Gippsland Vlocity service time to? It would provide a real alternative to driving along the overly congested Monash Freeway.
But as I said, neither political party has shown the slightest interest in doing it, Labor went and built the Skyrail already and gave up the option to build this into that project and the Libs have done nothing but rubbish skyrail on petty grounds all along, so no, it won't happen.
Terrific to see the RRA make a very good point in reference to this new announcement.To be fair to the minister I saw her comments and understood she was referring to the suburban system when she made the comments about the section of single track
https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/duplication-not-in-daniel-andrews-and-jacinta-allans-lexion-or-vocabulary
how can the Minister state this is the longest single section of track when her party has left long sections of single track between Kyneton and Bendigo?
Her seat is in Bendigo. People will and are starting to ask questions about this.
At Cranbourne there's 200 metres of clear track between the stabling yard and the level crossing, that SHOULD be enough to Get the line under the road, with a new station on the other side of the crossing. What ever they do one would assume the will increase the size of the car park, its ALWAYS full.
What ever they do at Cranbourne it most likely will cost a fortune.
woodford
If train services are going to be every 10 minutes to Cranbourne, does this mean they will have to run as shuttle services connecting with Pakenham trains at Dandenong or will there be enough capacity on the 2 Skyrail Tracks to accommodate 10 minute frequency to Cranbourne, assume similar frequency to Pakenham and also retain paths for express V/Line trains to Traralgon?
Ross
Until relatively recently, every VL ran the Dandy to Pakenham sector in 17 minutes. Most VL services are now timetabled at an average waaay north of 20 minutes.
Dand'ng to Pakenham 26.9km M 28min, VL 20min, @120 15min (VL save 5min)
There are plans floating out already for stabling to be next to the Inghams chicken farm just on the north side of the track to the east of Clyde, south of Ballarto Road.
At Cranbourne there's 200 metres of clear track between the stabling yard and the level crossing, that SHOULD be enough to Get the line under the road, with a new station on the other side of the crossing. What ever they do one would assume the will increase the size of the car park, its ALWAYS full.
What ever they do at Cranbourne it most likely will cost a fortune.
woodford
I would imagine that after the Cranbourne Line duplication AND Clyde extension are complete, all stabling would be relocated to some point beyond Clyde, where land is cheaper and you can provide a large stabling facility similar to what has happened on other lines.
The existing stabling could then be replaced with a new medium density housing or alternatively an expansion of carparking.
Ross
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