What is the SRL document  ?  Link please ?

Talking through this announcement yesterday with you guys and thinking about this overnight, I now wonder how the Coalition are going to win this election in November.   The Suburban Loop has been so widely accepted by all including die hard car users.

I for one cannot see how all the infrastructure works under the ALP can be matched by the coalition and how Guy can get a look in remembering he is all about 1960's investment in freeways.

I also think the events in Canberra over the past week will have a major impact on how people vote in the state election later this year.  Several Federal and state seats will fall from the libs over the next 9 months.

Talking through this announcement yesterday with you guys and thinking about this overnight, I now wonder how the Coalition are going to win this election in November.   The Suburban Loop has been so widely accepted by all including die hard car users.

---- The Gippsland line timetables should be restructured into the future so at least half of all trains run express Drouin-Pakenham, there should be local trains originating at Warragul to service those fairly thin rail users.   Someone from Traralgon shouldn't have to stop at Tynong where a handful of people get on. Contrast that to the Ballarat & Bendigo corridors where the micro stops have long been abolished.

Add to that sentiment Gippslander:

- Trains originating at Traralgon to pick-up to Warragul, then express to Dandenong (or something like that).
- Trains originate from Warragul to serve Warragul to Pakenham.
- Set up Garfield as a true major station.  Look at closing Tynong(go to Garfield), Nar Nar Goon (go to Pakenham) and Bunyip (go to Garfield) - seriously, they are not that far apart only 4km to 5km with a good direct road between them.
- Given the Cranbourne/Pakenham mix of traffic, set up the Metro area so each serves every second station - like the do on the Armidale line in Perth.
- sort out Pakenham, which is likely fixed with the opening of the return loop in the maintenance facility, to prevent turn back trains occupying one platform.

The above is suggested on the basis of better utilising what we already have.

The Age, naturally, led with the main story and a healthy dose of skepticism, and did a three page spread on the inside.

---- The Gippsland line timetables should be restructured into the future so at least half of all trains run express Drouin-Pakenham, there should be local trains originating at Warragul to service those fairly thin rail users.   Someone from Traralgon shouldn't have to stop at Tynong where a handful of people get on. Contrast that to the Ballarat & Bendigo corridors where the micro stops have long been abolished.

Add to that sentiment Gippslander:

- Trains originating at Traralgon to pick-up to Warragul, then express to Dandenong (or something like that).
- Trains originate from Warragul to serve Warragul to Pakenham.
- Set up Garfield as a true major station.  Look at closing Tynong(go to Garfield), Nar Nar Goon (go to Pakenham) and Bunyip (go to Garfield) - seriously, they are not that far apart only 4km to 5km with a good direct road between them.
- Given the Cranbourne/Pakenham mix of traffic, set up the Metro area so each serves every second station - like the do on the Armidale line in Perth.
- sort out Pakenham, which is likely fixed with the opening of the return loop in the maintenance facility, to prevent turn back trains occupying one platform.

The above is suggested on the basis of better utilising what we already have.

I agree with all your observations Skitz!
You really wonder why Latrobe Valley passengers have to put up with a stopping all stations service between very closely spaced, tiny settlements. From what I see the pax numbers are absolutely minimal. Garfield should be much better used, but the north carpark always seems to be nearly empty.

---- The Gippsland line timetables should be restructured into the future so at least half of all trains run express Drouin-Pakenham, there should be local trains originating at Warragul to service those fairly thin rail users.   Someone from Traralgon shouldn't have to stop at Tynong where a handful of people get on. Contrast that to the Ballarat & Bendigo corridors where the micro stops have long been abolished.

Add to that sentiment Gippslander:

- Trains originating at Traralgon to pick-up to Warragul, then express to Dandenong (or something like that).
- Trains originate from Warragul to serve Warragul to Pakenham.
- Set up Garfield as a true major station.  Look at closing Tynong(go to Garfield), Nar Nar Goon (go to Pakenham) and Bunyip (go to Garfield) - seriously, they are not that far apart only 4km to 5km with a good direct road between them.
- Given the Cranbourne/Pakenham mix of traffic, set up the Metro area so each serves every second station - like the do on the Armidale line in Perth.
- sort out Pakenham, which is likely fixed with the opening of the return loop in the maintenance facility, to prevent turn back trains occupying one platform.

The above is suggested on the basis of better utilising what we already have.

I agree with all your observations Skitz!
You really wonder why Latrobe Valley passengers have to put up with a stopping all stations service between very closely spaced, tiny settlements. From what I see the pax numbers are absolutely minimal. Garfield should be much better used, but the north carpark always seems to be nearly empty.

Add to the list all Gippsland trains using the Caulfield Loop, straight in, straight out with no West Richmond conflicts.

I think Guy and David Davis will do the obfuscation process, they won't try to match it. O'Brien (the East-West Link side letter author) was on 7 News last night stating it was a $100b project starting in 2050. Really?

Liberal party ideology is all about small Gov't. OK, that's what they believe in. But small Gov't means that projects of this magnitude (or indeed many other projects) never get off the ground in order to meet the ideological constraints. One exception was Rupert Hamer.

---- The Gippsland line timetables should be restructured into the future so at least half of all trains run express Drouin-Pakenham, there should be local trains originating at Warragul to service those fairly thin rail users.   Someone from Traralgon shouldn't have to stop at Tynong where a handful of people get on. Contrast that to the Ballarat & Bendigo corridors where the micro stops have long been abolished.

Add to that sentiment Gippslander:

- Trains originating at Traralgon to pick-up to Warragul, then express to Dandenong (or something like that).
- Trains originate from Warragul to serve Warragul to Pakenham.
- Set up Garfield as a true major station.  Look at closing Tynong(go to Garfield), Nar Nar Goon (go to Pakenham) and Bunyip (go to Garfield) - seriously, they are not that far apart only 4km to 5km with a good direct road between them.
- Given the Cranbourne/Pakenham mix of traffic, set up the Metro area so each serves every second station - like the do on the Armidale line in Perth.
- sort out Pakenham, which is likely fixed with the opening of the return loop in the maintenance facility, to prevent turn back trains occupying one platform.

The above is suggested on the basis of better utilising what we already have.

I agree with all your observations Skitz!
You really wonder why Latrobe Valley passengers have to put up with a stopping all stations service between very closely spaced, tiny settlements. From what I see the pax numbers are absolutely minimal. Garfield should be much better used, but the north carpark always seems to be nearly empty.

Add to the list all Gippsland trains using the Caulfield Loop, straight in, straight out with no West Richmond conflicts.

What about the fumes in the loop with the VLs. It's bad enough at Spencer Street Station. SORRY to all the modernists out there but I refuse to use the name of Southern Cross.

what about the fumes in the loop with the VLs. It's bad enough at Spencer Street Station. SORRY to all the modernists out there but I refuse to use the name of Southern Cross.

They have ventilation fans.  Diesel engines underground is nothing new or insurmountable.  Kind of like extraction fans at Spencer Street

I'm certain the City Loop was born under the long standing Bolte Liberal government. Then Sir Henry retired and handed the reins to Sir Rupert....along with a decision reversal on abolishing the entire tram network...imagine ANY thought of that 40 years later

...and the 'New Deal' for country travellers, the N cars and the Comeng suburban cars was also under the Hamer Liberal government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal_(railway)

Mike.

The Herald Sun is a hardly a balanced journal of record anymore.

That was in the days when we had railways in Victoria - now the youthful journos of the media have christened them as 'train lines' and ''train stations', and these titles now seem to be the new norm.

• Rail Projects Victoria
• Mernda Rail
• Skyrail
• Suburban Rail Loop
• Regional Rail Link
• Murray Basin Rail Project

Fair enough bevans, was just having a laugh really. But it is a genuine fear that the SRL could suck up so much funding nothing else is done on existing infrastructure for 35 years.

Fair enough bevans, was just having a laugh really. But it is a genuine fear that the SRL could suck up so much funding nothing else is done on existing infrastructure for 35 years.

Not really, $1.5bn per year for 30 years = $45bn which should cover the project. A little bit frontloaded in 2020-2023 or so to get the project underway.

Plenty of space in the budget left over for other projects, especially as the city grows to 8 million by 2045-2050 when the entire project will be finished, thus (hopefully) commanding more federal funding which Victoria has missed out on for the past decade vs NSW and QLD.