3 new stations for the Bendigo line announced

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The announcements just keep rolling!

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The announcements just keep rolling!

bevans
And here was me thinking Harcourt, Golden Square and maybe Ravenswood!

And what is the cryptic part about services every 40 minutes? Or does this refer only to Bendigo Metro?

BG
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
40 minutes suggests to me line upgrades BG or rolling stock additions?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/better-train-services-for-bendigo-and-central-victoria/
“Line upgrades between Bendigo and Kyneton”.

It’s like some sort of bad joke!

So, what does this mean? What is the constraint preventing this right now?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/better-train-services-for-bendigo-and-central-victoria/
“Line upgrades between Bendigo and Kyneton”.

It’s like some sort of bad joke!

So, what does this mean? What is the constraint preventing this right now?
potatoinmymouth

That link is simply flogging the suburban loop which they have been doing all week.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

A re-elected Labor Government will also start planning to reopen Harcourt Station and upgrade track on the Bendigo line between Bendigo and Kyneton to allow trains every 40 minutes during off peak times.
“That link”
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Reduplicating part of the Bendigo line?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Beer googles off.
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Standard gauge
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Reduplicating part of the Bendigo line?
Dangersdan707
sure sounds like it
BUT
it is election time, and details are thin at the moment. It sounds like a line thrown in to placate the angry peasants.

Whilst in election mode, the SRL announcement was just as interesting in what it DIDN'T say about Regional.

There has been considerable discussion about Regional trains going via the airport MARL.
That would have sorted out the Regional/Metro conflict down to Sunbury.
The latest "plan" SRL absolutely rules that out.

So "plan B"
what the SRL plan has shown is a commitment by the Government to spend BIG dollars on projects that get BIG support.

So why think small as in "Reduplicating part of the Bendigo line" ?

To get attention, think BIG "Reduplicating all of the Bendigo line", and extending RRL all the way to Sunbury.

25km of new high speed (160kph) track, alongside the existing, is not so huge when you exclude unnecessary sparks and platforms.
Biggest problem is where LX removals squeezed a few stations. They didn't know the latest "plan", times have overtaken.

PS: Beers Goggles back on and cleaned.

cheers
John
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Reduplicating part of the Bendigo line?
sure sounds like it
BUT
it is election time, and details are thin at the moment. It sounds like a line thrown in to placate the angry peasants.

Whilst in election mode, the SRL announcement was just as interesting in what it DIDN'T say about Regional.

There has been considerable discussion about Regional trains going via the airport MARL.
That would have sorted out the Regional/Metro conflict down to Sunbury.
The latest "plan" SRL absolutely rules that out.

So "plan B"
what the SRL plan has shown is a commitment by the Government to spend BIG dollars on projects that get BIG support.

So why think small as in "Reduplicating part of the Bendigo line" ?

To get attention, think BIG "Reduplicating all of the Bendigo line", and extending RRL all the way to Sunbury.

25km of new high speed (160kph) track, alongside the existing, is not so huge when you exclude unnecessary sparks and platforms.
Biggest problem is where LX removals squeezed a few stations. They didn't know the latest "plan", times have overtaken.

PS: Beers Goggles back on and cleaned.

cheers
John
justarider
SRL does not rule out regional services going via the Airport.

SRL will most likely see new track pairs built along the Albion corridor. Which is wide enough to have 3 track pairs.

2 Freight which are already their
2 SRL connecting airport to Sunshine then out to the west
2 MARL to sunshine then onto the city.  

Sunshine is still some giant "hub" for interchange.

As has been said before their is no option but building a tunnel between SCS and Sunshine to create the additional track pair. No private company nor government is going to stump billions for a new underground tunnel that will see 3 trains per hour. You will see something similar to Sydney. Regional services will run express SCS - Sunshine - Airport where airport folks will get strung $20 to get off the train. Private Company happy at the millions they will make back and Government happy the will untangle the Metro network once and for all.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Reduplicating part of the Bendigo line?
...

There has been considerable discussion about Regional trains going via the airport MARL.
That would have sorted out the Regional/Metro conflict down to Sunbury.
The latest "plan" SRL absolutely rules that out.

...
SRL does not rule out regional services going via the Airport.
....
Lockie91
Oh yes they did rule it out

Three new regional super hubs will connect regional passengers into the Suburban Rail Loop to access a range of .....
SRL strategic assessment
Those hubs are Sunshine, Broadmeadows, Clayton  - definitely NOT the Airport

cheers
John
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Reduplicating part of the Bendigo line?
...

There has been considerable discussion about Regional trains going via the airport MARL.
That would have sorted out the Regional/Metro conflict down to Sunbury.
The latest "plan" SRL absolutely rules that out.

...
SRL does not rule out regional services going via the Airport.
....
Oh yes they did rule it out

Three new regional super hubs will connect regional passengers into the Suburban Rail Loop to access a range of .....
Those hubs are Sunshine, Broadmeadows, Clayton  - definitely NOT the Airport

cheers
John
justarider
Ill give you Broady, that was an odd choice. it may have something to do with BG and SG.

Bendigo - Airport - SUNSHINE - Southern Cross
Seymour - Airport - SUNSHINE - Southern Cross

SG Albury and XPT services will still need to go via Broadmeadows.

Dont choke on your toast all at once.

It is neer on impossible to run a 2 minute service to Watergardens as well as regional services from Bendigo.

RRL is earmarked to be sparked for Wyndham Vale services.

Bendigo services have to go somewhere once MM1 opens and they will go via the airport.

Bendigo service provides a 20 minute frequency to the airport, SUPER HUB at Sunshine to connects Ballarat, Geelong and Bendigo regional services to Sunbury, Wyndham Vale and Melton Metro services as well as the SRL. (whenever it gets there)
Regional services tunnel to SCS at 200km/h

Cheers
Lockie
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
A re-elected Labor Government will also start planning to reopen Harcourt Station and upgrade track on the Bendigo line between Bendigo and Kyneton to allow trains every 40 minutes during off peak times.
potatoinmymouth
Nice, Harcourt is growing ATM and it is a gorgeous old station.

The costraint (referring to your earlier post PIMM) is the singled section between Kyneton and Bendigo which was done as part of the RFR in the mid 2000s. Previously the Bendigo line was 2 tracks all the way to The Go and amongst the best built in the country as it was originally done to British Mainline standards (almost sent the Colony of Vic broke in the process too!)

It is going to be a big mess trying to unscramble that egg as well as taking on the famed Tunnel Monster as explained by another poster a while back in his Tunnel Monster Myth expose.

BG
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The costraint (referring to your earlier post PIMM) is the singled section between Kyneton and Bendigo which was done as part of the RFR in the mid 2000s. Previously the Bendigo line was 2 tracks all the way to The Go and amongst the best built in the country as it was originally done to British Mainline standards (almost sent the Colony of Vic broke in the process too!)
BrentonGolding

I’m well aware of that mate - but there are at least three passing opportunities along the way are there not? How does this preclude 40 minute services?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

For around the last 3 years there's been a sign on a fence at Huntly stating this is where the new Huntly station will be, from memory the sign is on Clay pit rd (around 1000 metes or so north of where the old Huntly station used to be, there's a lot of housing out that way).

woodford
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The costraint (referring to your earlier post PIMM) is the singled section between Kyneton and Bendigo which was done as part of the RFR in the mid 2000s. Previously the Bendigo line was 2 tracks all the way to The Go and amongst the best built in the country as it was originally done to British Mainline standards (almost sent the Colony of Vic broke in the process too!)

I’m well aware of that mate - but there are at least three passing opportunities along the way are there not? How does this preclude 40 minute services?
potatoinmymouth
The Passing lanes just don't work. They are designed for running crosses which means trains have to be bang on time. As soon as one is running late the other train has to stop and wait. It is not unusual for the 16.25 or 15.07 Dn Castlemain  trains that I catch to be held at the up end of Elphinstone Loop for 5 minutes or more.

All this slows services down and leads to chaos when just one train runs 5 mins late.

The worst one I ever had was a Down service that was held twice, first at Kyneton so they could let a late running Up Swan Hill service come through from Elphi and then we were held again at Elphinstone (down end) to allow the next service to come through from Castlemaine as we would have held them up from an on time departure from CME)

As it is now the running crosses probably only work 50% of the time max, shoving more services into the timetable is only going to make it worse. I have heard (both from V/Line staff and some on RP) that the line is maxxed out as it is for paths as it is and they have a hell of a time trying to get some of the freights plus SSR light engine movements through.

Apptly the controllers are now very reluctant to provide daylight paths for the freights after a couple of fails had grainies occupying CME Loop which caused all sorts of problems as it is used for close to 10 crosses a day now on some days.

(I believe from talking to a driver that long signal sections are also a problem on the Bendigo Line so when the 17.30 Down Epsom Express is chasing the all stopping 17.04 Dn Kyneton up the Macedon Bank it is quite often held between Riddells Creek and Gisborne until the previous service clears the section beyond Woodend so changing the signalling arrangements may be part of the solution.

As I have mentioned before the Nanny State rules around beginning to slow the train 6 KM short of the points where it is to diverge onto the loop track will hopefully be changed as well.)


BG
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Essentially, what all the spin in the press release is saying is that they will build 2 new stations between Epsom and Elmore at Huntly and Goornong on the Echuca line, and 1 new station past Eaglehawk on the Swan Hill line at Raywood. This makes sense, and so long as they're done on the cheap, ie:- basic platform, shelter and a small carpark, then they shouldn't cost all that much.

Oh wait, it would be built by the government, so they will spend about $20 million each for just a basic platform with a small shelter and small gravel carpark. Oh well, hopefully it wins them some votes for their trouble.

Seriously though, at least they mentioned the thought of re-opening Harcourt, and there was something in there about improvements which I suppose could be interpreted to mean there is in some way a slim chance that they may one day consider duplicating the line that should never have been singled in the first place.

Of course, if they were seriously considering duplicating any sections of the Bendigo line, surely they would just come out and say it.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Essentially, what all the spin in the press release is saying is that they will build 2 new stations between Epsom and Elmore at Huntly and Goornong on the Echuca line, and 1 new station past Eaglehawk on the Swan Hill line at Raywood. This makes sense, and so long as they're done on the cheap, ie:- basic platform, shelter and a small carpark, then they shouldn't cost all that much.

Oh wait, it would be built by the government, so they will spend about $20 million each for just a basic platform with a small shelter and small gravel carpark. Oh well, hopefully it wins them some votes for their trouble.

Seriously though, at least they mentioned the thought of re-opening Harcourt, and there was something in there about improvements which I suppose could be interpreted to mean there is in some way a slim chance that they may one day consider duplicating the line that should never have been singled in the first place.

Of course, if they were seriously considering duplicating any sections of the Bendigo line, surely they would just come out and say it.
Gman_86
Many locals have (rightfully) never forgiven the ALP State Govt for ripping up large sections of the original double track.  Perhaps they will try to atone for their sins one day.  

Harcourt is a good station to reopen, especially after reduplicating the Porcupine Hill to Castlemaine section.  Signalling should also be reconfigured to allow more than one train per loop section - i.e. Have two trains on the Down between Ravenswood and Castlemaine etc.

Goornong is a no-brainer for the Echuca line - it would coincide nicely with the upgrade in speed and signalling.

Huntly Station is in a funny location - it's quite a distance to the Huntly township and housing.  A fair bit of investment will be needed to improve road, bike and pedestrian access to it (likely to be North-East of old station site).
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The beauty of 40 minute intervals is that V Line won't have time to work out whether it's train fault, track fault, signal fault, staff sickness  for each delayed train. I wonder what they'll do.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Essentially, what all the spin in the press release is saying is that they will build 2 new stations between Epsom and Elmore at Huntly and Goornong on the Echuca line, and 1 new station past Eaglehawk on the Swan Hill line at Raywood. This makes sense, and so long as they're done on the cheap, ie:- basic platform, shelter and a small carpark, then they shouldn't cost all that much.

Oh wait, it would be built by the government, so they will spend about $20 million each for just a basic platform with a small shelter and small gravel carpark. Oh well, hopefully it wins them some votes for their trouble.

Seriously though, at least they mentioned the thought of re-opening Harcourt, and there was something in there about improvements which I suppose could be interpreted to mean there is in some way a slim chance that they may one day consider duplicating the line that should never have been singled in the first place.

Of course, if they were seriously considering duplicating any sections of the Bendigo line, surely they would just come out and say it.
Many locals have (rightfully) never forgiven the ALP State Govt for ripping up large sections of the original double track.  Perhaps they will try to atone for their sins one day.  

Harcourt is a good station to reopen, especially after reduplicating the Porcupine Hill to Castlemaine section.  Signalling should also be reconfigured to allow more than one train per loop section - i.e. Have two trains on the Down between Ravenswood and Castlemaine etc.

Goornong is a no-brainer for the Echuca line - it would coincide nicely with the upgrade in speed and signalling.

Huntly Station is in a funny location - it's quite a distance to the Huntly township and housing.  A fair bit of investment will be needed to improve road, bike and pedestrian access to it (likely to be North-East of old station site).
Carnot
I do not know if the station actually IS going where the sign says it will be, although it seems out of the way its on the northern boundry of a new housing estate and there would be quite a few houses within a relatively short distance of the location. It will as you say require better roads, as does at least some of the new estate, this of course was 3 or so years ago.

woodford
  Rossco T Chief Train Controller

Location: Camberwell, Victoria
Many locals have (rightfully) never forgiven the ALP State Govt for ripping up large sections of the original double track.  Perhaps they will try to atone for their sins one day.  

Harcourt is a good station to reopen, especially after reduplicating the Porcupine Hill to Castlemaine section.  Signalling should also be reconfigured to allow more than one train per loop section - i.e. Have two trains on the Down between Ravenswood and Castlemaine etc.

Goornong is a no-brainer for the Echuca line - it would coincide nicely with the upgrade in speed and signalling.

Huntly Station is in a funny location - it's quite a distance to the Huntly township and housing.  A fair bit of investment will be needed to improve road, bike and pedestrian access to it (likely to be North-East of old station site).
Carnot

Given the proximity of Huntly as effectively an outer suburb of Bendigo, would I be right that services that currently terminate at Epsom would now terminate at Huntly, whereas Goornong would just serve as an additional stop for services to Echuca.

The one I am surprised about is Raywood, given that it is a small town of only 318 people and is a fair distance out of Bendigo.  I would have thought it would have made more sense to extend services which currently terminate at Eaglehawk out to Marong on the old line to Inglewood.  This would make more sense to me as Marong is more of a satellite suburb/town to Bendigo and has a much larger population of 1,416 people.

Ross
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Given the proximity of Huntly as effectively an outer suburb of Bendigo, would I be right that services that currently terminate at Epsom would now terminate at Huntly, whereas Goornong would just serve as an additional stop for services to Echuca.

The one I am surprised about is Raywood, given that it is a small town of only 318 people and is a fair distance out of Bendigo.  I would have thought it would have made more sense to extend services which currently terminate at Eaglehawk out to Marong on the old line to Inglewood.  This would make more sense to me as Marong is more of a satellite suburb/town to Bendigo and has a much larger population of 1,416 people.

Ross
Rossco T
Good point Rossco, and you could build stabling out there if needed without having to worry about terminating / stabling trains blocking Swan Hill services (bearing in mind PT> plan for 20 40 5 meaning 5 services to Swanners each weekday).

Maybe Jacinta has relos out there, she is a Country Member after all!

BG
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Maybe Jacinta has relos out there, she is a Country Member after all!
"BrentonGolding"
Tut tut!
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I agree, Raywood is a bit odd, considering Marong would be the logical extension of regular pass services past Eaglehawk, but Raywood has a major plus on its side over Marong, the line is already active. This means stopping trains there only requires the construction of a simple station. Marong on the other hand would need to have the branch line re-activated. Its in a poor state, this wouldn't be cheap. Add a stabling facility and the price would go through the roof.

This smells of electioneering, not actual service improvement.

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