Ballarat Line upgrades underway

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 20 Nov 2017 12:49
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

V/Line have updated their Network Service Plan, with the following new locations included on the Ballarat Line Passenger schedules:

Toolern
Melton Weir Junction
Maddingley Junction
Ingleston Road
Bostock
Milbrook
New Bungaree

The new passenger schedules can be found here:
https://corporate.vline.com.au/Network-Access/Network-service-plan
Gman_86
Toolern is a new station part of existing works
Melton Weir Junction is end of duplication ex Caroline Springs half way down hill to Melton Weir
Maddingley Junction end of the duplication through Bacchus Marsh at Maddingley Car sidings
Bostock is the Down end of the Loop through Ballan
Millbrook is the new 3km loop between the two high bridges on the new straight alignment
Not quite clear where NEW Bungaree would be as the existing North (original ine is to be totally abandonded .

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  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I agree, my guess was that Ingleston Rd would be the up end of the new Ballan loop and Bostock would be the down end. Similarly, Millbrook will be the Up end and New Bungaree the down end of the other new loop replacing the old North line through Bungaree itself.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
Is the old loop going to be lifted and removed, booked out, or just unused in regular service?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Is the old loop going to be lifted and removed, booked out, or just unused in regular service?
TOQ-1
Abolished
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The new loop is being installed as a direct replacement for the old line. Once opened, the old line will no longer serve any purpose. It will be closed, removed and most likely the land will be sold off.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

The new loop is being installed as a direct replacement for the old line. Once opened, the old line will no longer serve any purpose. It will be closed, removed and most likely the land will be sold off.
Gman_86

You'd want good real estate agents and lawyers - noting that there are no occupation crossings on the north alignment the railway has probably been a farm boundary for generations.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

The new loop is being installed as a direct replacement for the old line. Once opened, the old line will no longer serve any purpose. It will be closed, removed and most likely the land will be sold off.
Gman_86
Therefore the "New" part of New Bungaree will be superfluous, as is "Junction" in Melton Weir Junction and Maddingly Junction, as they are not junctions.
Very obviously not time served railway people making these decisions.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The new loop is being installed as a direct replacement for the old line. Once opened, the old line will no longer serve any purpose. It will be closed, removed and most likely the land will be sold off.
Therefore the "New" part of New Bungaree will be superfluous, as is "Junction" in Melton Weir Junction and Maddingly Junction, as they are not junctions.
Very obviously not time served railway people making these decisions.
Lockspike
Ingliston will be Up end of Ballan Loop and Bostock the Down end.

The dupliaction is now going through Melton and half way down the hill to Melton Weir . The mainline points are in fact installed already . So the location name Melton Weir Junction is quite appropriate .
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The new loop is being installed as a direct replacement for the old line. Once opened, the old line will no longer serve any purpose. It will be closed, removed and most likely the land will be sold off.
Therefore the "New" part of New Bungaree will be superfluous, as is "Junction" in Melton Weir Junction and Maddingly Junction, as they are not junctions.
Very obviously not time served railway people making these decisions.
Lockspike

AND all reference to Ingleston is incorrect when the correct spelling is INGLISTON.



Mike.

PS: Maddingly is Maddingley
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Cool video about trains returning between Ballarat and Geelong

https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1138

Anyone see this?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Thanks for that video.

I still think it would be most sensible to convert Ararat to Wendouree to SG, and Ballarat to Maryborough to SG only (instead of the Dual Gauge this section is getting) and extend 3 Ararat trains per day to Horsham, and extend all Maryborough trains to Geelong. SG services from both lines would connect with BG services to and from Melbourne at Ballarat.

Silence from both parties on these matters leading up to the election suggest neither are imminent.
  themetptc Junior Train Controller

Location: Ballarat
I did hear the other day on local radio news that Jacinta Allan said that there will be no passenger trains between Ballarat and Geelong as the line is being converted to Standard Gauge and that Standard Gauge is for freight trains only.
I laughed.
Sim
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I did hear the other day on local radio news that Jacinta Allan said that there will be no passenger trains between Ballarat and Geelong as the line is being converted to Standard Gauge and that Standard Gauge is for freight trains only.
I laughed.
Sim
themetptc
It is a pity that the press cannot challenge this assertion in real time.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Was it actually her saying that? The same Jacinta Allan who spent a week talking about new SG bogies for VLocities?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for that video.

I still think it would be most sensible to convert Ararat to Wendouree to SG, and Ballarat to Maryborough to SG only (instead of the Dual Gauge this section is getting) and extend 3 Ararat trains per day to Horsham, and extend all Maryborough trains to Geelong. SG services from both lines would connect with BG services to and from Melbourne at Ballarat.

Silence from both parties on these matters leading up to the election suggest neither are imminent.
Gman_86

This to my thinking is a very sensible way to do it but how much work would be required to place SG into Geelong?  The added bonus is the ability to place SG into the fuel point at Geelong so SG rollingstock can be fueled at Geelong for Geelong to Maryborough and Ballarat to Horsham services?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
extend 3 Ararat trains per day to Horsham, and extend all Maryborough trains to Geelong. SG services from both lines would connect with BG services to and from Melbourne at Ballarat.
Gman_86
I think that leaves 1 or 2 Ararat services free right?  So you could take those and extend them to Geelong too, giving maybe 1 or 2 more services between Ballarat and Geelong?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Thanks for that video.

I still think it would be most sensible to convert Ararat to Wendouree to SG, and Ballarat to Maryborough to SG only (instead of the Dual Gauge this section is getting) and extend 3 Ararat trains per day to Horsham, and extend all Maryborough trains to Geelong. SG services from both lines would connect with BG services to and from Melbourne at Ballarat.

Silence from both parties on these matters leading up to the election suggest neither are imminent.
Gman_86
If Dan gets the shaft, the Liberal's idea of passenger trains to Donald, could run all the way through to Geeelong, may eventuate Razz
ramping things right up, Gman_86.

BigShunter.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Yesterday I took some more video of the stabling at Maddingley from a passing Vlocity, it's even visible from the top of the hill now.



https://youtu.be/ZaZ-AltO9YU



https://youtu.be/VM-lWaiKTTM


by Gauntlet, on Flickr
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
A bit of an update on the progress of the duplication works to Melton:

The level crossing at Mt Cottrell Rd has been altered, with the Northern boom gate & flashing light assembly relocated and the track laid through the crossing. So far, I think* this is the only crossing that has been done, Hopkins Rd, Troups Rd North, Paynes Rd and Ferris Rd still require this work. Hopkins Rd will be the most difficult, as this is a fairly busy road so it will probably be a Saturday night/ Sunday morning overnight job, that said, from a technical point of view they should all be fairly straight forward.

The bridge over the Toolern Creek at Melton has been built, with the deck now in place awaiting the installation of track.

The laying of track has begun along most of the line, with different sections in varying states. In some sections it looks completely laid with a healthy amount of ballast covering the sleepers, in other sections there is nothing but the foundations for the track bed. The foundations for the track bed have all been built, with the only exception being the majority of the level crossings that still need work. As of yet, there is nothing connected to the existing stub of track leading Westward from Caroline Springs platform 1.

As reported by other users on this site, a new turnout on the down side of Melton (past Coburns Rd) has been installed but as yet, there has been no work done between this turnout and Melton Station. The current track layout at Melton has the current mainline running through the station, then taking a tightish banked curve out towards the Coburns Rd crossing (down side) while the passing loop line continues on into a refuge siding to the North of the mainline with a crossover to the mainline immediately after the station platforms. For the duplication to continue to the West or Down of Melton towards the new crossover the siding will need to be abolished and replaced with a new banked curve matching the current mainline.

*I say I think as I'm not sure whether or not Troups Rd North has been done yet, the others I listed have certainly not been done. Troupes Rd North has been closed to road traffic for the duration of the works.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The alignment for the Ballan loop has started from the (Eastern) Ingliston Road end and it follows in part the old alignment pre RFR.

Mike.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
BG or dual gauge sleepers ?
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
BG sleepers, similar to those used during the RRL upgrades.

I can't see why this would be a problem. It is highly unlikely that the Melbourne to Ballarat Railway will be converted before these sleepers are replaced.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
BG or dual gauge sleepers ?
YM-Mundrabilla
You Know it's too good to be true
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

BG sleepers, similar to those used during the RRL upgrades.

I can't see why this would be a problem. It is highly unlikely that the Melbourne to Ballarat Railway will be converted before these sleepers are replaced.
Gman_86
Anything that can be converted to std gauge should be. I was in Spain last year and lot of track is being converted to std gauge even though in the recent past the broad gauge had been re-laid with concrete sleepers. The Spaniards seemed to have used a large concrete saw to cut the broad gauge sleepers in half and then cut the rails in situ into manageable lengths and turfed these sections of rail and half concrete sleepers to one side. Then new standard gauge track was the re-laid. It seemed to me to be a real can do approach and bugger the original cost of the sleepers. If they can do it why cant we?
  Radioman Chief Train Controller

BG sleepers, similar to those used during the RRL upgrades.

I can't see why this would be a problem. It is highly unlikely that the Melbourne to Ballarat Railway will be converted before these sleepers are replaced.
Anything that can be converted to std gauge should be. I was in Spain last year and lot of track is being converted to std gauge even though in the recent past the broad gauge had been re-laid with concrete sleepers. The Spaniards seemed to have used a large concrete saw to cut the broad gauge sleepers in half and then cut the rails in situ into manageable lengths and turfed these sections of rail and half concrete sleepers to one side. Then new standard gauge track was the re-laid. It seemed to me to be a real can do approach and bugger the original cost of the sleepers. If they can do it why cant we?
nswtrains
Hello All,

I would argue the more sensible approach is to only use gauge convertible sleepers in the first place , and then a change over can be initiated at a suitable future time.

Baring in mind that Spain still has a financial problem on its hands , this is especially wasteful when you consider that there probably is a market for 2nd hand BG concrete sleepers.

Speaking ( writing ! ) of concrete sleepers, I am a bit surprised that LXRA lifted concrete sleepers were not retained and reused elsewhere on the metro network instead of giving them to the preserved railways. Good luck to the preserved railways, this will save them money in the long term,

Regards, Radioman.

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