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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
With the T2T to Darlington section they have really missed the bus with one huge opportunity. The Seaford Line could have been Cut and Covered between Emerson and Tonsley to allow the expressway to be built on top creating a "Transport Corridor" when the Seaford (then Noarlunga) Line was relaid. I mentioned this at the time to a DPTI Projects Boffin at the time but was told that it would cost too much. I countered with an observation that there would not be the huge acquisition costs of building along the South Rd position. However, now that we have a Liberal Government in place, this might be a possible goer as an argument between Libs and Labor has been the position of this corridor with the MATS Plan having the corridor "mid block".
nm39
Cut and cover would be maybe a year of the railway closed (again) - "Skyrail" with the road would probably be the only option... and people would still go crook about the visual impact if the road was above the railway line - look at "Sky-Rail" in Melbourne, I think what actually ended up happening there was a good outcome but people still b*tch relentlessly (maybe they're right?).

Cut and cover is an excellent engineering solution and doesn't resume lots of land unlike Torrens to Torrens - but it means closing the corridor while the structures are built and politically it's a hot potato completely shutting a road.

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  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The third (and largest) of the bridges built off-site for the Darlington Upgrade will be installed on the weekend starting Friday 7 September, this being the northern half of the 377m bridge (southern half is being built on-site) which will carry northbound traffic from Main South Road and the North-South Motorway over the North-South Motorway, the Shepherds Hill Road intersection and down into the middle of Ayliffes Road.

http://southroad.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/489907/Ayliffes_Road_bridge_installation_fact_sheet.pdf
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Not exactly an Adelaide Metro happening but I was glad to see they finally funded the Port Wakefield Road overpass and duplication (ABC);

The $90 million project will also include the duplication of Port Wakefield Road through Port Wakefield, about 95 kilometres north-west of Adelaide.

The Federal Government will contribute $72 million to the work, with the rest coming from the State Government, which will deliver its first budget on Tuesday.

The overpass was promised at the March state election, when Steven Marshall, now Premier, said it would cost $24 million, however at that time the project did not include the highway duplication.

Finally! Also interesting to see that the town of Port Wakefield did NOT want the town to be by-passed because of the money that the passing traffic brings the town. I have to say it's also a nice place to stop on your journey.
  normangerman Junior Train Controller

With the T2T to Darlington section they have really missed the bus with one huge opportunity. The Seaford Line could have been Cut and Covered between Emerson and Tonsley to allow the expressway to be built on top creating a "Transport Corridor" when the Seaford (then Noarlunga) Line was relaid. I mentioned this at the time to a DPTI Projects Boffin at the time but was told that it would cost too much. I countered with an observation that there would not be the huge acquisition costs of building along the South Rd position. However, now that we have a Liberal Government in place, this might be a possible goer as an argument between Libs and Labor has been the position of this corridor with the MATS Plan having the corridor "mid block".
nm39
What would be the benefit of this approach rather than using the existing Tonsley Line and the Flinders Link bridge?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Does anyone know what is being built on the northern side of the corridor opposite SAHMRI (roughly here) at the moment?

My guess is that it is part of the Gawler Electrification Stage 1 project and will contain some sort of sectioning/switching equipment.

What would be the benefit of this approach rather than using the existing Tonsley Line and the Flinders Link bridge?
normangerman
I can't think of any benefits for the railway, quite a few detriments though.

The best long-term result of the Darlington Upgrade as built by the Federal Libs and State Labor, in my opinion, is that it has finally settled the long-term direction for the major north-south route as being via the South Road corridor. That should finally be enough nails in the coffin to get the MATS enthusiasts to shut up.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Does anyone know what is being built on the northern side of the corridor opposite SAHMRI (roughly here) at the moment?

My guess is that it is part of the Gawler Electrification Stage 1 project and will contain some sort of sectioning/switching equipment.
justapassenger
I'd hazard a guess that you are right - something to do with a sub-station for the electrification of the north-bound tracks? Or maybe just a staging area for the work.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The substation is to be built at Dry Creek.

I'd guess it's a switching station which would allow segments of the network to be switched from Lonsdale power to Dry Creek power or vice versa.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The Agoniser has an article behind its paywall claiming it has a DPTI list of bus and train services that will be cut or restricted. Does anyone know which routes they're talking about?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

You might be interested to know that the T2T section of the North-South Motorway has had its projected opening date pushed back to the second weekend of October. The next layer of bitumen was being applied on the northbound lanes when I went over there today. They are doing a proper multi-layer surface with proper curing time allowed between each layer, and the result of taking that extra time (generally only available when building a new road) will be the second-best tarmac surface in the state behind only the track at The Bend Motorsport Park.
justapassenger

Does that mean that cars will be flying off the road left right and centre like they did at the Bend?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The Agoniser has an article behind its paywall claiming it has a DPTI list of bus and train services that will be cut or restricted. Does anyone know which routes they're talking about?
don_dunstan
They aren't claiming that they have the list of services to be cut, just that they have a list of services with lower patronage.

It will probably be the case that many of them are the return workings of well-loaded peak services, and so will remain.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
Does anyone know what is being built on the northern side of the corridor opposite SAHMRI (roughly here) at the moment?

My guess is that it is part of the Gawler Electrification Stage 1 project and will contain some sort of sectioning/switching equipment.
justapassenger
The Public Works Committee Report 583 tabled November 2017 contains a schedule of works for the Operation Control Centre (OCC) Relocation project:

The required works for the relocation and vacation of this site include the following:
  • The relocation of the Adelaide Rail Yard power supply, involving the construction of a new power supply building within the Adelaide Yard to house the railway power supply and safety critical signalling equipment. The power supply will require a new high voltage external power supply from SA Power Networks.
  • The fitout of the new OCC at Dry Creek, including a new control room and associated services, and the connection of the control room to the ground floor equipment rooms.
  • The construction of a duplicate operationally critical main and backup computer-based railway systems and networks.
  • The completion of redundant high capacity optical fibre links to connect the new OCC and signalling equipment to the Adelaide Yard to replace the existing local connections. This will comprise an interim solution to enable early testing and provide redundancy until the Gawler Rail Electrification Project conduits and aerial fibre cables are completed.
  • The facility commissioning, including staged commissioning of new systems, and staff and equipment relocation.
Public Works Committee
Thus the observed building would appear to be the building to house the new power supply and safety critical signalling equipment.  The existing OCC will demolished to make way for the SAHMRI Stage 2 development.
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
Has 3002 been fitted with a new engine? It sounded a little bit quieter today, albeit even more bland than what these railcars are, but still no sign of any repaints going on.

Does anyone know which ones still have their original engines?
  nm39 Chief Commissioner

Location: By a road taking pictures
With the T2T to Darlington section they have really missed the bus with one huge opportunity. The Seaford Line could have been Cut and Covered between Emerson and Tonsley to allow the expressway to be built on top creating a "Transport Corridor" when the Seaford (then Noarlunga) Line was relaid. I mentioned this at the time to a DPTI Projects Boffin at the time but was told that it would cost too much. I countered with an observation that there would not be the huge acquisition costs of building along the South Rd position. However, now that we have a Liberal Government in place, this might be a possible goer as an argument between Libs and Labor has been the position of this corridor with the MATS Plan having the corridor "mid block".
What would be the benefit of this approach rather than using the existing Tonsley Line and the Flinders Link bridge?
normangerman
The cut and cover of the rail corridor would mean that property acquisition is kept to a minimum. At the moment the plan is for a cut and cover solution the full length of South Rd from T2T to Darlington with the exception of Emerson Bridge. Doing a cut and cover of the rail line is cheaper than doing the road because it is narrower and doesn't need as heavy spans across the top. The disruption caused by the works going through Castle Plaza area may be worse than the railway shut down for another year or so.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
With the T2T to Darlington section they have really missed the bus with one huge opportunity. The Seaford Line could have been Cut and Covered between Emerson and Tonsley to allow the expressway to be built on top creating a "Transport Corridor" when the Seaford (then Noarlunga) Line was relaid. I mentioned this at the time to a DPTI Projects Boffin at the time but was told that it would cost too much. I countered with an observation that there would not be the huge acquisition costs of building along the South Rd position. However, now that we have a Liberal Government in place, this might be a possible goer as an argument between Libs and Labor has been the position of this corridor with the MATS Plan having the corridor "mid block".
What would be the benefit of this approach rather than using the existing Tonsley Line and the Flinders Link bridge?
The cut and cover of the rail corridor would mean that property acquisition is kept to a minimum. At the moment the plan is for a cut and cover solution the full length of South Rd from T2T to Darlington with the exception of Emerson Bridge. Doing a cut and cover of the rail line is cheaper than doing the road because it is narrower and doesn't need as heavy spans across the top. The disruption caused by the works going through Castle Plaza area may be worse than the railway shut down for another year or so.
nm39
They could go crazy and bore tunnels the entire remaining corridor but I guess there would be a strong possibility of tolls because this is the most expensive option of all. The eastern capitals all have toll roads, only a matter of time before the long hand of Transurban reaches out to South Australia. A lot of overseas pension funds own Transurban so they're confident that Aussies will keep driving on their roads and that the market will grow. It went from being a creation of Jeff Kennett's PPP for CityLink and its grown to encompass pretty much all the toll roads on the eastern seaboard; the Marshall government could come at a PPP for sections of South Road either shadow tolling or actual E-tags... we'll see.

The only other alternative I can think of to the railway cut-and-cover would be to somehow keep two or three (depending on time of day) lanes of South Road open while trenching on the other side maybe acquiring smaller parcels of land than is necessary doing one side at a time? I know this could be an engineering problem but I'm just throwing that out there. Interchanges will probably still require acquisitions.

Personally I think the cheaper option - some sections of elevated roadway as per the "Superway" - wouldn't be that much of a disaster, most of the land facing South Road from the tram overpass down to Daws Road and beyond is commercial property and after a while you don't really notice that the overpass is there. Apparently it hasn't really affected land values in Melbourne ("Sky Rail") like some said it would; the visual impact is over-rated particularly in commercial areas. It also offers the least disruption for adjoining land-holders.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

An elevated motorway and widening of the corridor on one side (to provide space for the motorway pylons and for each direction to have two lanes and a best practice bike lane) is the best option for minimising both disruption and property acquisition.

There are currently lots of vacancies in commercial properties along both sides of South Road, and quite a few properties which have a very quick turnover of tenants. Many of the property owners would be grateful for the opportunity to cash out, and many of the affected businesses would have alternate options on the opposite side very close to their current location.

Any posts regarding putting a motorway on the current rail corridor should be shifted to the Armchair Operators forum. That option is DEAD.
  steam4ian Chief Commissioner

In terms of Cut and Cover anywhere in south western Adelaide, has anybody considered the drainage? There are a number of streams, now covered, which intersect both the South Road and the rail corridors.

The rail corridor is not wide enough for a multilane express way so extensive property purchases would still be necessary.
Along South Road many of the existing properties are already vacant, underutilised or degraded and are ripe for the picking.

I have already done the sums and in most places there is sufficient land width for three lanes each way for express traffic and a two lane (one direction) service road either side along the present South Road. There are a few tight spots relating to possible heritage sites but that is all. The express lanes could duck under east/west roads and rise to ground level to cross drainage and to provide access from the side roads.

What we do not need is yet another rail closure.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The first major rail closure for the Oaklands grade separation project is coming up on the long weekend, for the whole of Saturday 29 September, Sunday 30 September and Monday 1 October.

As part of a new initiative aimed at giving customers better service, trains will operate Adelaide-Tonsley and Brighton-Seaford with connecting shuttle buses running along Sturt Road. Just kidding! Nothing has been learned and bustitution will be all the way from the city to Brighton.

Speaking of the Seaford line, the ticket barriers at Noarlunga were wide open today. When deactivated, the open gate is wide enough that you could roll an old Citroën 2CV through the gap and onto the platform - assuming you passed the bigger test of getting it there in the first place.

On the road project front:
  • The final layer of the tarmac has finished curing at line marking is well underway on the North-South Motorway at the T2T project. There is a community walk/ride event this coming Sunday.
  • There has been another traffic switch at the Darlington Upgrade project, northbound traffic coming off Shepherds Hill Road now makes a left-right turn after the intersection to join onto the two lanes of South Road which will later become one lane, a sealed shoulder and a bike lane.
  • The Flinders Drive extension through to Sturt Road looks like it is almost ready to open, with line marking complete and the traffic lights at the junction of Flinders Drive and Main South Road already changed over to the new sequence.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Along South Road many of the existing properties are already vacant, underutilised or degraded and are ripe for the picking.

I have already done the sums and in most places there is sufficient land width for three lanes each way for express traffic and a two lane (one direction) service road either side along the present South Road. There are a few tight spots relating to possible heritage sites but that is all. The express lanes could duck under east/west roads and rise to ground level to cross drainage and to provide access from the side roads.
steam4ian
Thank-you Ian, this is absolutely the point - the existing South Road corridor is wide enough so that they would be able to stagger construction with minimum of land acquisition except perhaps at interchanges.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

You'd have to buy up all the property along one side to build a motorway, plus extra at interchanges, regardless of whether the motorway is elevated or sunk.

Most of the corridor only has two lanes each way (fairly narrow lanes much of the way at that) and a fairly narrow median. The only way you're getting anything in there underground without widening the corridor is if you build a single carriageway and have it reverse directions twice a day, and that would still require lengthy total closures of the road which would cause many times more disruption than any temporary railway closure ever would.

Marshall is only talking about tunnels because he still thinks he is the Leader of the Opposition and doesn't want to be seen to be copying the options previously used by the Rann/Weatherill governments.

If he wants people to think he's the real Premier and not just a stalking horse for a leadership coup, a complete ban of all on-road parking on any part of South Road between Darlington and Wingfield at any time would present an immediate improvement and could be actioned in less than a week from making the decision to having all signage and yellow lines in place. In the parts which have a part-time bike lane, it could literally be done overnight by removing the time limitation signs to make it a 24/7 bike lane with no parking permitted at any time.
  Captainchoochoo61 Locomotive Fireman

@ Steam4ian.
Your sums are seriously flawed at black Forest, Edwardstown, Clovelly Park, in fact for the whole length of South Road.

There are 2 lanes each way and most has been a clearway 24 hours for at least 25 years.

The only way you could get 6 or more lanes along there is to buy up the first property at least on one side all the way along.

The old Bridgestone site was given approval for a Bunnings sandpit recently.
That plan showed a set back of 8 metres so how can you get 3 extra lanes in there? 1.5 m wide lanes ????

Friends of our family in Clovelly Park were acquired for the original MATS plan that never got built.

@ Don, the existing corridor is not wide enough.

The T2T is still not finished, there are still people leaning on lollipops 24/7 but no work seems to be getting done.
Why not finish that section , then build the Pym to Regency to give a  continuous run  and while doing that start the land aquisitions for say Torrens to Henley Beach Road. This would get the project underway in more affordable chunks . Allow a dedicated team to have continuous work span. And please start it a t one end and make it continuous work. Piecemeal building does not improve travel time, it just makes it worse. .

Everybody seems to be mad keen lately on mixing heavy vehicles at 60 to 80kmh with bikes. Is this a death wish.
It is bad enough at low speeds.
Bikes should be on the service road, or on a seperate pathway.  not playing on expressways.
Next thing you will be introducing them onto the freeways.

Keep them segregated for their own safety.

"There are currently lots of vacancies in commercial properties along both sides of South Road, and quite a few properties which have a very quick turnover of tenants."
Lack of parking along old fashioned strip shops is a main reason for businesses not being able to survive. Would you try to start a business along South Road with a very likely scenario of being bought out?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The T2T is still not finished, there are still people leaning on lollipops 24/7 but no work seems to be getting done.
Why not finish that section , then build the Pym to Regency to give a  continuous run  and while doing that start the land aquisitions for say Torrens to Henley Beach Road. This would get the project underway in more affordable chunks . Allow a dedicated team to have continuous work span. And please start it a t one end and make it continuous work. Piecemeal building does not improve travel time, it just makes it worse. .
Captainchoochoo61
T2T is on the way, should have traffic flowing on all sections of new build roadway by mid-November and an official opening to follow - probably in the run up to the Federal Election.

Tonsley to Anzac Highway should be the next section built after the Regency Road overpass, because it is the section with the biggest problem. If you do the Anzac-Torrens section first, that will only incentivise more traffic on the corridor and cause greater disruption when the Tonsley-Anzac section gets underway.

Tonsley-Anzac would be a big project but an easy one to stage well if the elevated option (no doubt called something other than a 'Superway' to avoid the Not Invented Here problem) is chosen. Dealing with the Cross Road intersection would be the messiest bit as it would have to include sinking the railway underneath and building an interchange. Daws Road could go with a northbound interchange only, as it's just 1.5km from the Tonsley end of the Darlington Upgrade.

Everybody seems to be mad keen lately on mixing heavy vehicles at 60 to 80kmh with bikes. Is this a death wish.
It is bad enough at low speeds.
Bikes should be on the service road, or on a seperate pathway.  not playing on expressways.
Next thing you will be introducing them onto the freeways.

Keep them segregated for their own safety.
Captainchoochoo61
Just to be clear - the place for a proper World's Best Practice separated bike lane (separated bike lane = no need for undertrained drivers to put cyclists at risk with dangerously close passes) is alongside South Road at surface level, not on the North-South Motorway above.

The only time it shouldn't be at surface level is where it is grade separated to cross the major east-west roads, i.e. Daws Road, Cross Road, Anzac Highway. These grade separations for the major intersections should be built as part of the motorway project, not left for a later day to be done at 3-4 times the cost.

The layout at surface level from west to east would be footpath - northbound cycle lane - barrier - 2 northbound motor traffic lanes - median (with pylons for the elevated motorway) - 2 southbound motor traffic lanes - barrier - southbound cycle lane - footpath.

Doing this properly is not hard, it's just a case of Ctrl+C Ctrl+V which with the internet doesn't even need to involve sending politicians on expensive 'research' trips. Provide quality separated infrastructure which takes appropriately direct routes along the same corridors (cyclists generally like to go to the same places that drivers do) and people will switch away from driving, releasing capacity on the roads.

One useful approach being taken on Main South Road at the Darlington Upgrade project is using the space later to become the cycle lane as a temporary extra motor traffic lane. Once the motorway opens, what is currently the leftmost motor traffic lane on each part will be separated off to become the cycle lane.

"There are currently lots of vacancies in commercial properties along both sides of South Road, and quite a few properties which have a very quick turnover of tenants."
Lack of parking along old fashioned strip shops is a main reason for businesses not being able to survive. Would you try to start a business along South Road with a very likely scenario of being bought out?
Captainchoochoo61
The property owners should adapt or die like good capitalists.

If they feel that their properties would lose value in the event of off-peak parking being removed (most of Tonsley-Anzac is only a 7-11 and 3-7 clearway on weekdays) or that they need more parking than is currently available, then they should set about creating more off-street parking with access from side streets.
  DJPeters Deputy Commissioner

I have a question about Adelaide Metro trains though and to be more specific about the 3000 cars. Does any one know how many different various new red colour schemes there are as nearly every time you see one it is different than the last one you saw. They must be experimenting to a certain degree. Also I do wish they would not strip off paint or what ever back to a point on the railcar simply to place the red front on them it looks S house to the travelling public. Yes I know that they need as many as possible in service at any time but one would think that they would do it as the cars come in to be upgraded etc and a repaint is included in that upgrade. Some look shocking actually and passengers are noticing it as well. The cars are beginning to look daggy is the word I heard bounced around and looking at some railcars that is really being nice as well.

If they did it the repaint as a rolling upgrade with the replacement motors and electrical it would look a lot better though. Leave the cars in the yellow scheme until that upgrade is done and eventually you would have them all repainted.
  62430 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Metro Adelaide
I have a question about Adelaide Metro trains though and to be more specific about the 3000 cars. Does any one know how many different various new red colour schemes there are as nearly every time you see one it is different than the last one you saw. They must be experimenting to a certain degree. Also I do wish they would not strip off paint or what ever back to a point on the railcar simply to place the red front on them it looks S house to the travelling public. Yes I know that they need as many as possible in service at any time but one would think that they would do it as the cars come in to be upgraded etc and a repaint is included in that upgrade. Some look shocking actually and passengers are noticing it as well. The cars are beginning to look daggy is the word I heard bounced around and looking at some railcars that is really being nice as well.

If they did it the repaint as a rolling upgrade with the replacement motors and electrical it would look a lot better though. Leave the cars in the yellow scheme until that upgrade is done and eventually you would have them all repainted.
DJPeters
As the red extends on the side for only a third of the area of the old yellow/red/blue, it makes sense to remove the old plastic before the red is applied.  However it would appear that removing the old film is a fairly labour intensive job.  The completion of the new livery can extend over a period of time: the reflective blue cowcatcher, the red front/side, the black side window stripe, all blue doors and stripes above and below the front windscreens, and the silver car numbers.  Several cars have spent some time without their side or front numbers. The main variation in the completed version is in the front stripes. The early versions have black above the windscreens, and one car (3120) is plain red without stripes.  A later version has silver over the windscreen and the most recent have silver above and below the windscreen.  The first car (3012) to be repainted has the addition of a red stripe along the body side at the roof line.  All the cars treated so far are from the later Clyde built batch (3113-3140, 3009-3030).  Almost all the 31xx cars done so far are at the "country" end of the formation.  There are currently 3 all-red pairs (3125/26, 3131/32, 3135/36).  3 30xx have both ends red.  Other 30xx have one red and one yellow end.

Since 66 of the 70 cars are required for the evening peak, I suspect there is limited scope to have cars out of service for an extended period.  I would also suspect that the re-engining and paint jobs are done in separate shops at the depot.
  mawsonboii Junior Train Controller

Location: Banned
I caught the train today from Salisbury to Mawson Interchange. it was a red livery train and unlike the other's I've caught this one definitely had a new engine, the acceleration sounded horrible. it sounded like it was struggling to move. On board though it was a lot quieter and faster. Another train with red livery travelling to Gawler pulled in at Mawson's and again the acceleration sounded horrible.

I am guessing that the livery was changed before the engines. I've travelled on those trains before and the red livery was changed but the trains acceleration and noise was the same. I personally hate the design, especially the trains that have what looks like black eye brows.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Since 66 of the 70 cars are required for the evening peak, I suspect there is limited scope to have cars out of service for an extended period.  I would also suspect that the re-engining and paint jobs are done in separate shops at the depot.
62430
Is that figure network-wide? Also they have to take into account the immanent electrification of the Gawler line - there will ultimately be surplus 3000's unless they extend the remaining diesel timetables/destinations (can't see the present state government doing that).

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