Auscision Models Blog

 
  M636C Minister for Railways

So it's the 80 class , product page already up . http://www.auscisionmodels.com.au/80%20Class%20Locomotive.htm
Booly

I wonder why they aren't doing 8005 and 8050 in PN colours with large side numbers?

Austrains missed that one also.

8050 was the yard shunter at Keswick in that livery for several years.
It was one of the few upgraded for main line use in PN livery.
It spent some time on Canberra oil trains.

The others were exclusively yard shunters.

Peter

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  gomer Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Both 8005/8050 are fitted with ditch lights, so would be an expensive addition (tooling + electrics). Auscision have said previously that they only intend on producing models with limited body versions in the future to save on time/cost. I'd say that is also why there is no Coote/Greentrains/QUBE models offered yet either.
  DJPeters Assistant Commissioner

What I've heard recently is that the Auscision 80 class is perhaps *mostly* comprised of the OTM 80 class project.
LOL, tell us another one.

Paul
FirstStopCentral
It is not unheard of though as the ex Shrike C30t is now on sale by Wombat Models and numerous other models from other manufacturers are now being touted or sold by another manufacturer so it is not entirely impossible. Could be a fair stretch of the imagination or it could save a few dollars for all parties.
  The_trolley Deputy Commissioner

Location: .
What I've heard recently is that the Auscision 80 class is perhaps *mostly* comprised of the OTM 80 class project.
speedemon08

Well, what you've heard recently is incorrect then.

"Don't buy another 80 class until you see our 80 class"...

The Australian model industry is too small for this sort of thing.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Are you kidding Rod ? Prices are cheaper than in the past especially for the quality of models on offer.
Their reruns are cheaper too, for example 73 is $255 and 422 $275 hardly what I would call gouging or ripping us off.

They also offer factory sound for $100 which is a great price.

I think it’s more like if you snooze you loose. Procrastinating for 3 years no order forms or samples shown can’t really blame Auscision for filling a demand in the market and taking an opportunity they saw. They run a business not a benevolent society. Also doesn’t collusion and price fixing upset the ACCC. It would be a breach of the trade practices act to so wouldn’t it ?

Ontrack with the 80 just like Austrains with the flat top T class got caught telling porkys when it comes to having tooled the loco when in fact they obviously hadn’t.

There is no way Austrains would have dropped the T class or Ontrack the 80 class if they had invested upwards of 100k or more on tooling. It’s a runaway train so to speak. You keep going you don’t drop a project you have tooled. So obviously Ontrack had not tooled the 80 class yet, they had drawings and quotes but no way they had started tooling.
2LaGrange
I am sorry old mate, but you didn't understand the business process I was on about.

But first, from the early fantastic plastic days, the importers used to tell us the first run paid all the bills and gave a return (thus no shops involved)  The second run was the icing, all overheads covered by first run, now they just paid for the run. Thus shops could be involved (and although they never said so, discounts could be offered, say at Exhibitions.)

Now a would be monopoly uses their enormous power to discount and cut people out in the first place, then when they own the market, they can make the profits they think they deserve. Just modern business I am afraid.  The Austrains T, The Traino 48 and now the On Track 80 Class all fell by the side of the line... so just saying. Don't you think On Track will be bleeding after the factory stitched them, and now their model has to cancel,
Imagine if you owned the market, you would get a bit greedy too, wouldn't you?   Not saying it is a bad thing, for them, but it could hurt us outside.
My reference to the delivery date was just because I will be interested when  they actually go on sale. Perhaps On Track should secretly keep their model going and still be first out. The On Track 80 would certainly  be a good piece of kit, if it is as good as the Sprinter.

By the way who got the Victorian D3 Steamer?  Another cancelled project...

Cheers
Rod
  2LaGrange Train Controller

Sorry Rod but I understand completely what you are saying it’s just that I don’t believe anything you say.
If you said it was raining I would go outside to check.
Your argument doesn’t stand up, Auscision always offer their first production run at wholesale to retailers after delivery so the first run may well not pay for tooling and production run. They stated that production costs go up every year and in the case of 73 and 422 there were tooling changes and redesigns for DCC and Sound versions but price has been kept to same as first run.

The Auscision 48 was 4th on the market if you include the Trax 48 so hardly predatory and they had to sell them cheap and add Dcc with sound to generate sales.

I think you just don’t like Auscision and their younger crew. It’s the old Aussie Tall Poppy Syndrome. It seems you just can’t stand to see them do well in the market.
They strive to be the market leader producing the highest quality models and what’s wrong with that ?

There is more competition out there now than there ever has been, 20 years ago there was Lima and Trax/Powerlines and that was it plus brass kits etc and we have never had it so good. Auscision,SDS,Austrains,SRM,Trainorama,Ontrack,Eureka and Wombat all producing locos.
  comtrain Chief Commissioner

Location: Near Albury Wodonga
Sorry Rod but I understand completely what you are saying it’s just that I don’t believe anything you say.
If you said it was raining I would go outside to check.
Your argument doesn’t stand up, Auscision always offer their first production run at wholesale to retailers after delivery so the first run may well not pay for tooling and production run. They stated that production costs go up every year and in the case of 73 and 422 there were tooling changes and redesigns for DCC and Sound versions but price has been kept to same as first run.

The Auscision 48 was 4th on the market if you include the Trax 48 so hardly predatory and they had to sell them cheap and add Dcc with sound to generate sales.

I think you just don’t like Auscision and their younger crew. It’s the old Aussie Tall Poppy Syndrome. It seems you just can’t stand to see them do well in the market.
They strive to be the market leader producing the highest quality models and what’s wrong with that ?

There is more competition out there now than there ever has been, 20 years ago there was Lima and Trax/Powerlines and that was it plus brass kits etc and we have never had it so good. Auscision,SDS,Austrains,SRM,Trainorama,Ontrack,Eureka and Wombat all producing locos.  

How Long?
2LaGrange
Bit tired last night. Need to reorder post or delete. Thinking on it Very Happy
Everybody has a right to criticize. Hopefully it will be constructive.
You do not have the right to suggest I do not respect Jason, Peter and Jamie. That is  not truthful and in fact not reality.
The market and people in the market help to push manufactures in the direction they want. We got colour coded wiring, rp88 wheels, dcc plugs, sound enclosures, sound tail lights and we will get more, like properly managed interior lights. They did not give them, they reacted. Don't invent arguments to bash folk, use your brain and be constructive rather than emotive.
Rod Young

Rod
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Sorry Rod but I understand completely what you are saying it’s just that I don’t believe anything you say.
If you said it was raining I would go outside to check.

Your argument doesn’t stand up, Auscision always offer their first production run at wholesale to retailers after delivery so the first run may well not pay for tooling and production run. They stated that production costs go up every year and in the case of 73 and 422 there were tooling changes and redesigns for DCC and Sound versions but price has been kept to same as first run.

2LaGrange

Just for the record, the first run, Auscision 73 class, back in 2011 was $249.00.

2018 - 2nd run 73 class, pre-delivery price is $255 ($295 after delivery), there is no sound version offered in the 2nd run.

Not sure how much re-tooling was done to their 73 class model for this 2nd run other than their comments on FB being "Updated model with newly designed 5-pole skew wound motor along with new PCB with 6 pin DCC socket to suit ESU Micro decoder".

So I don't agree that prices have been kept the same as the first run for the 73, obviously then the price increase can be attributed to a rise in production costs and possibly the noted changes / additions.

I note that there is no mention of rectification of the lighting boards in their 73 class that plagued the first run.

Regards,

Catchpoint
  brissim Chief Train Controller

Perhaps a little overdue but finally there is a short update on Auscision's projects on their FB page.

https://www.facebook.com/auscisionmodels/

"Quick production update.
Our factory has just advised that the Victorian VP Vans & NSW PayBus will leave China at the end of November.
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