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  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Let’s compare apples and apples here guys. Since when was a loco hauled carriage in the pre red hen era a similar length as a 4000 carriage?

A 10 car consist working from Holden? Yeah because Holden employs how many people today?

The reason public transport is so reduced from ‘back in ‘my’ day’ is because the public using it is grossly reduced.

I am probably the equivalent of a 40 minute train ride from the city, it costs me less in fuel to drive into the city everyday, and even with the road works along the way it takes me about half the time to drive.

Why spend more and double my travel time to catch the train? AND I can leave home/work and go straight to my car, no waiting for a timetable.

I have gone from catching PT twice a day, 7 days a week to maybe (hopefully) never using it again.

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  Captainchoochoo61 Locomotive Fireman

Does the issue of platform length with modern (2000, 3000, 4000) railcars arise because of the increased length (25m) of these railcars compared with the shorter length of the Redhens (20m) and loco hauled stock?  A modern 6-car set is 150m long compared with the earlier 6-car consists which were only 120m overall.  Thus platforms such as on the Gawler line which would have handled the older 6-car sets are not long enough for a modern 6-car.

I can remember travelling around Penfield on another ARHS special of 12 or so cars with 520 taking over from a pair of Rx's There was ample room for us all to hop off and take photos.
Woodville platform has been physically shortened as have some on the Noarlunga line.
I also have photos taken at Salisbury of another mystery trip with a 621 hauled train hauling many centenaries. Plenty of Platform lengths
Some time ago I read the platform standards for the Noarlunga line and the requirements were less than 150 metres.
In days of old the posts advising drivers where to stop for 1,2,3, 4 ,six car sets were all located well in from the end of platforms. There was allowance made in days gone by to avoid overshoots.

On the Gawler line Port Pirie and Terowie trains were often longer than the 120 metre limit and Gawler Race trains with nine redhens would have been closer to 180 metres so we are regressing again !!!!

If a modern six car set is too long for the platforms that only increases the need for 4 or five car consists to be assembled.
That is where we need to go back to running public transport for the public, instead of running it to suit the railways.
The next build of sparks (45 cars) could be built as five four car sets and five five car sets.
I am sure that some simple interpretation of the onboard validations would find ten suitable candidates for strengthened consists.
Cascading the extra dmu's to strengthen existing 2 car sets would increase the capacity of the system considerably at minimal extra cost. The fifteen displaced diesel sets would provide at least 30  extra cars. Enough to increase up to 15 2 car sets to four car sets.
This would be the way to offer increased capacity

This would be better use of taxpayer funds than running lots of extra smaller trains.
The larger permanent sets would require less drivers cabs than the planned order which I am sure would result in lower costs to build.
( Maybe we could even afford an extra car or two to increase the fleet !!!! shock horror more seats for paying passengers!!! )

Not long ago the Jumbos were prematurely removed from the system.
Apparently safety issues with the elevated cabs and lack of spare parts.
1 The cabs could have been built / redesigned at a lower level , and even reinforced for safety.
2 A simple google search can source most of the transmission parts etc required.
3 if the $ 215,000 per platform shelter rebuild across the system could have funded these projects we would not have been left with platform shelters that do not shelter passengers.

Talking of platform lengths what about the new St. Clair station?
Would it be safe to assume that it only can handle a four car set ? or possibly less. ?
The old down platform could handle seven pass cars and an F comfortably.

The old up platform if used today would have increased delays so it was a good idea to build a new one in its new location,
But if a practical person had designed the layout the old platform could have been retained. ( Saved a large construction cost) The subway could have been reopened. ( minimal construction cost)

This would have offered a longer platform for down trains and the construction of a longer up platform to facilitate expansion of the system in the future.
And trains stopping after the crossing would have resulted in less delays for road traffic ( and the ten cyclists per day) on Cheltenham Parade.

Once again do we want to offer more capacity for the thousands of people wanting to use the system on what was a racecourse or the extra people living in Cheltenham because of infill.

And to consider the public.
Would renewal of the old tramway ( Finsbury, Woodville North, Gillman line Through to Port Dock ) have been a good way to service the new dock 1 and dock 2 developments as well as increasing the catchment through St, Clair.
It could also have served a lot of industrial workers around the port.
Just like a connection over the Port bridge and down to the sub corp etc.

Are we really interested in running public transport for the public? or just keeping the closed boys club going.

So many of these thoughts just seem like plain old common sense.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Never say never, but the OH alone will likely never be electrified, and if it is likely not while the current rolling stock is in service, presently, if required, and it likely isn’t, four car sets are easily provided from poxes.

This morning for reference, my drive to work, even though DPTI or whom ever it is displayed a 36 minute travel time to the city (still 10% less than the train) actually took me 22 minutes...

I don’t care about the length of the consist, if someone else is powering it, I’ll catch a Kalamazoo to work if it is cheaper, quicker and more convenient than the alternate. Everyone else who doesn’t catch the train thinks the same.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Behind the paywall on today's Advertiser is an article that proclaims the Marshall government has engaged consultants to decide if bored tunnels might be the best solution to the South Road project. They'll probably also have tolls attached I'm guessing.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Like the report into the North Terrace right hand turn, I expect the answer to come back as a resounding no.
  Captainchoochoo61 Locomotive Fireman

Aaron I have trouble with your comparison of avocadoes with apples.

Yes they can both  be green BUT !!!!

40 minute train trip to Adelaide puts you at Lonsdale.

22 minutes to the city puts you at very high risk of speeding fines!!!

So are we comparing apples with apples? or mangoes?

Fuel consumption travelling at speed of light would be considerably more than a multi trip validation.

Are you including parking costs in this ( would be expensive to park a jet in the city HAHA !)






Your mention of the inaccuracies of the travel time imaginations also asks the question of what is the use of them. Stuck on the southern expressway in a jam , changes from 20 minutes to 25 to 30 and so on.
It does not actually get me there any faster does it? Too late to change direction,
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Aaron, how come you went from using Adelaide P/T every day to never using it again - did you buy/inherit a car?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Can't recall if anyone has already posted this but I'm looking forward to the next leg of the South Road project - the Regency Rd to Pym St project. There was already some restrictions at the Regency/South Road intersection last weekend and I believe they're already surveyed the intersection. It's going to be an overpass for South Road at that particular spot.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Like the report into the North Terrace right hand turn, I expect the answer to come back as a resounding no.
justapassenger
Inclined to agree; remember that plan to loop the Noarlunga/Seaford/Belair lines via a long bored tunnel with stations @ Victoria Square, Greenhill Rd and emerging at Goodwood? Would have cost a bomb but interesting to imagine.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Would renewal of the old tramway ( Finsbury, Woodville North, Gillman line Through to Port Dock ) have been a good way to service the new dock 1 and dock 2 developments as well as increasing the catchment through St, Clair.
It could also have served a lot of industrial workers around the port.
Just like a connection over the Port bridge and down to the sub corp etc
Captainchoochoo61
Given the Finsbury line was removed in 1985 and the land appropriated for other uses, surely resurrecting the line had long slipped out of the realms of possibility by the time the racecourse was sold in the mid 2000's.
  62440 Chief Commissioner

Had a ride to Bot Gdns in the rain. The only access to and from the platform is at the western end but the poor staff member trying to stay out of the rain and stopping half the tram load from walking off at the east end. By her frustrated tone, it sounds like this will continue to be an issue. Tram was packed including interstate visitors heading to the museum
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Don, believe it or not, but when it comes to did I buy or inherit the answer is both.

The real change came about by me doing some numerical analysis on my travel expenditure. I was still PTing it twice a day for probably a year owning two cars before I concluded that I was doing it wrong.
  Captainchoochoo61 Locomotive Fireman

Given the Finsbury line was removed in 1985 and the land appropriated for other uses, surely resurrecting the line had long slipped out of the realms of possibility by the time the racecourse was sold in the mid 2000's.

The mosque is a hurdle , but other than the carpark for Viscount plastics and the paving  display centre the rest of the corridor was basically untouched until development of St, Clair.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Given the Finsbury line was removed in 1985 and the land appropriated for other uses, surely resurrecting the line had long slipped out of the realms of possibility by the time the racecourse was sold in the mid 2000's.

The mosque is a hurdle , but other than the carpark for Viscount plastics and the paving  display centre the rest of the corridor was basically untouched until development of St, Clair.
Captainchoochoo61
No, I don't agree. If Adelaide gets any new electrified or otherwise train line it'll be in the outer suburbs in an attempt to connect those areas with the bulk of the remaining jobs in South Australia - in and around the CBD.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Given the Finsbury line was removed in 1985 and the land appropriated for other uses, surely resurrecting the line had long slipped out of the realms of possibility by the time the racecourse was sold in the mid 2000's.

The mosque is a hurdle , but other than the carpark for Viscount plastics and the paving  display centre the rest of the corridor was basically untouched until development of St, Clair.
No, I don't agree. If Adelaide gets any new electrified or otherwise train line it'll be in the outer suburbs in an attempt to connect those areas with the bulk of the remaining jobs in South Australia - in and around the CBD.
don_dunstan
And in any case it is a very long and slow way around to get to Dock 1 at Port Adelaide and there is not a lot happening at Dock 2, it being tucked away behind the new bridges.

The Finsbury line had a lot of street running with a single track and tight curves.     It passed through a Commonwealth owned parcel of land at Grand Junction Road.     A lot of this has since been sold.

St Clair may be a good candidate for some form of autonomous people mover to shuttle commuters to and from the station.    I don't know its layout well enough to say whether this is feasible or not.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Not exactly Adelaide Metro/road construction news but did anyone see that the Marshall government's proposed deregulated shopping hours has been formally defeated in the SA parliament - pretty resounding win for some lobbyists from Foodland and other retailers. Not sure how I feel about this except to say since moving back from Melbourne I've become used to the 5pm and no public holiday opening pretty quickly so it won't really affect me.
  kipioneer Chief Commissioner

Location: Aberfoyle Park
Work on the Flinders Link project seems to have started.   Formwork for the pylons for the bridge over the expressway is being erected.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The word on the current night closures of the rail system for the signalling work is that they are running way behind schedule, and to expect more to be added - possibly including further full weekend closures in addition to next weekend.

Good news for bus drivers, extra overtime just before Christmas will always be a winner.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Friday for some reason that still remains unclear to me, I decided to catch the train, have not done so in so long I cannot remember the last time I did. I will never catch the train again.

I ended up working back late, I was supposed to be finished at 1600 for a bit of time owed, instead I stayed til 2100 to get some stuff done. Head down to ARS to be met by a buffoon who says ‘catchin a train mate?’ - because I guess he thought I might just want to experience the delight of using the ARS public loos... So he says ‘no trains, there’s a substitute bus’, so I respond ‘ah f#ck’ to which he admitted ‘I’ve been getting that a lot tonight’.

So AdMetro can send me a message THAT SAME DAY to tell me they’re updating some mapping and that if I don’t update their app ‘it might not work’ but they cannot message network users to say their ride home is cancelled.

Easy fix, look at the bus queue, assess that I am going to have to wait at least two busses, and probably then not get a seat, so I walk to Borscht and phone the wife to collect me from the city.

One less patron for rail commissioner to ever have to bother about again.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Friday for some reason that still remains unclear to me, I decided to catch the train, have not done so in so long I cannot remember the last time I did. I will never catch the train again.

I ended up working back late, I was supposed to be finished at 1600 for a bit of time owed, instead I stayed til 2100 to get some stuff done. Head down to ARS to be met by a buffoon who says ‘catchin a train mate?’ - because I guess he thought I might just want to experience the delight of using the ARS public loos... So he says ‘no trains, there’s a substitute bus’, so I respond ‘ah f#ck’ to which he admitted ‘I’ve been getting that a lot tonight’.

So AdMetro can send me a message THAT SAME DAY to tell me they’re updating some mapping and that if I don’t update their app ‘it might not work’ but they cannot message network users to say their ride home is cancelled.

Easy fix, look at the bus queue, assess that I am going to have to wait at least two busses, and probably then not get a seat, so I walk to Borscht and phone the wife to collect me from the city.

One less patron for rail commissioner to ever have to bother about again.
Aaron

Poor little flower Razz
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Friday for some reason that still remains unclear to me, I decided to catch the train, have not done so in so long I cannot remember the last time I did. I will never catch the train again.

I ended up working back late, I was supposed to be finished at 1600 for a bit of time owed, instead I stayed til 2100 to get some stuff done. Head down to ARS to be met by a buffoon who says ‘catchin a train mate?’ - because I guess he thought I might just want to experience the delight of using the ARS public loos... So he says ‘no trains, there’s a substitute bus’, so I respond ‘ah f#ck’ to which he admitted ‘I’ve been getting that a lot tonight’.

So AdMetro can send me a message THAT SAME DAY to tell me they’re updating some mapping and that if I don’t update their app ‘it might not work’ but they cannot message network users to say their ride home is cancelled.

Easy fix, look at the bus queue, assess that I am going to have to wait at least two busses, and probably then not get a seat, so I walk to Borscht and phone the wife to collect me from the city.

One less patron for rail commissioner to ever have to bother about again.
Aaron
a box of tissues are pretty cheap these days
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Friday for some reason that still remains unclear to me, I decided to catch the train, have not done so in so long I cannot remember the last time I did. I will never catch the train again.

I ended up working back late, I was supposed to be finished at 1600 for a bit of time owed, instead I stayed til 2100 to get some stuff done. Head down to ARS to be met by a buffoon who says ‘catchin a train mate?’ - because I guess he thought I might just want to experience the delight of using the ARS public loos... So he says ‘no trains, there’s a substitute bus’, so I respond ‘ah f#ck’ to which he admitted ‘I’ve been getting that a lot tonight’.

So AdMetro can send me a message THAT SAME DAY to tell me they’re updating some mapping and that if I don’t update their app ‘it might not work’ but they cannot message network users to say their ride home is cancelled.

Easy fix, look at the bus queue, assess that I am going to have to wait at least two busses, and probably then not get a seat, so I walk to Borscht and phone the wife to collect me from the city.

One less patron for rail commissioner to ever have to bother about again.
Aaron
Do they have an App over there? The V/line app is really good for this kinda thing and I get alerts to my email about delays, bustitutions, scheduled works and a whole range of other stuff. It's not perfect but it makes it much easier to plan my trip (ie maybe not travel if there are going to be buses that day) or simply decide to go to the local pub and wait for the next train, leave work earlier or maybe even later in the case of one service being cancelled.

BG
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
My part of Adelaide is dependent on buses although if I want to walk twenty minutes I can get to a station. Why bother, the bus app is usually pretty accurate and I'm lucky enough to have two main bus thoroughfares within two minutes walk of my house.

I do drive a lot in practical terms though, I really only get the bus if I'm planning to drink or because I've got lots of time.

Incidentally I notice they've put the South Road T2T up to 80 km/h now so it's functioning as it should - looking forward to the Northern Connector getting finished December next year (?) and the Regency Rd overpass after that.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The Surveyor-General's consultation on changing the name of Oaklands Railway Station to Marion Centre Railway Station is closing on 3 January.

Make sure you reply by then to ensure it keeps its geographically accurate name, or even suggest that changing it to Oaklands Park would be a more suitable option. Marion Centre would be most confusing, as that is what is shown on bus destination displays for routes terminating at Westfield.

Recording a new announcement for the trains could be a far cheaper alternative - “Next stop Oaklands, alight here for the State Aquatic Centre and Oaklands Park shopping precinct.”

Personally, I'd like to see Warradale demolished and the name split so we would have Warrahove station at Brighton Road and Oakladale station at Morphett Road. I'd be open to accepting Hoveadale and Warralands as a compromise Razz
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
The Surveyor-General's consultation on changing the name of Oaklands Railway Station to Marion Centre Railway Station is closing on 3 January.

Make sure you reply by then to ensure it keeps its geographically accurate name, or even suggest that changing it to Oaklands Park would be a more suitable option. Marion Centre would be most confusing, as that is what is shown on bus destination displays for routes terminating at Westfield.

Recording a new announcement for the trains could be a far cheaper alternative - “Next stop Oaklands, alight here for the State Aquatic Centre and Oaklands Park shopping precinct.”

Personally, I'd like to see Warradale demolished and the name split so we would have Warrahove station at Brighton Road and Oakladale station at Morphett Road. I'd be open to accepting Hoveadale and Warralands as a compromise Razz
justapassenger
We can't undo decades of terrible planning unfortunately - Joondalup WA is a perfect example of what could have been.

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