Short Term Capacity Unlocking

 
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The LXRA have a new prioritisation process which means they have to look at adjacent level crossings and consider doing them all at once when they do removals. That should mean the Upfield should be mostly considered as a whole.


Politically, the Upfield line would be one of the only places in Melbourne where there would be overwhelming support for Public Transport upgrades, especially if tied to cycling upgrades. The hard part would be building the skyrail: on the Dandenong corridor the reservation was wide enough for the elevated tracks to be built either side of the running line. The Upfield Line doesn't have the space for this, so you would end up with long term closures, as said above.

Making use of Trams on Sydney Road as a replacement service might provide an opportunity to help relieve some passengers though.

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  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
Politically, the Upfield line would be one of the only places in Melbourne where there would be overwhelming support for Public Transport upgrades, especially if tied to cycling upgrades. The hard part would be building the skyrail: on the Dandenong corridor the reservation was wide enough for the elevated tracks to be built either side of the running line. The Upfield Line doesn't have the space for this, so you would end up with long term closures, as said above.

Making use of Trams on Sydney Road as a replacement service might provide an opportunity to help relieve some passengers though.
TOQ-1
It's quite possible to keep trains running on the Upfield line whilst an extended elevated section is built from Royal Pork to Coburg, albeit with a degraded level of service for extended periods, possibly a few extended station closures and a lot of weekend occupations. LXRA is getting the hang of this now that CTD (Skyrail) is effectively complete and there have been a lot of lessons learned that could be put to good use on such a follow-on project.

For Royal Pork-Coburg, the new elevated track would use split single-track viaducts as with Skyrail. Close the Upfield Bike Path for the Up viaduct and the remove the existing ground-level Down track to make room for the Down viaduct and replacement single-track overhead staunchions. Decommission the existing signalling and implement single track working from Coburg to Royal Pork (either retrofit the signalling or for a vintage twist, implement Electric Staff or Train Staff & Ticket working). An Up end crossover at Royal Pork could be installed to provide for both through services to Upfield along the singled track and to terminate a portion of services at Royal Park platform 2.
Stations along this section would be closed and reopened as the pylons get installed through them, similar to how it was handled between Caulfield and Oakleigh during CTD/Skyrail.

This degraded service level along the Upfield line would be best complemented by:
  • a preceding upgrade of the Sydney Rd tram service, beginning with an extensive rebuild of the Sydney Rd road corridor in line with the Revitalise Sydney Road proposal. Following the rebuild the Route 19 service frequency could be increased and the route saturated with E Class trams to cater for Upfield line traffic
  • A campaign to encourage cycling along the Royal Park - Coburg section as an alternative to train travel (and to help offset the loss of the Upfield Bike Path) by improving local cycling routes (Sydney Rd upgrade and more side-street bike lanes) and provide for extra bike parking at Coburg and Royal Pork stations
  • An express bus route from Coburg to Flemington Bridge via CityLink running at a constant 10/15 minute frequency all-day (and at night on the weekends) to cater for city-bound passengers. This could be extended further towards the CBD and northwards towards Upfield depending on the passenger travel patterns.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
It's quite possible to keep trains running on the Upfield line whilst an extended elevated section is built from Royal Pork to Coburg, albeit with a degraded level of service for extended periods, possibly a few extended station closures and a lot of weekend occupations. LXRA is getting the hang of this now that CTD (Skyrail) is effectively complete and there have been a lot of lessons learned that could be put to good use on such a follow-on project.
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This degraded service level along the Upfield line would be best complemented by:
  • a preceding upgrade of the Sydney Rd tram service, ....
  • A campaign to encourage cycling along the Royal Park - Coburg section ....
  • An express bus route from Coburg to Flemington Bridge via CityLink ...
LancedDendrite
@LD I think you missed my point of "bulldoze the lot" and start again.

The thing that really annoys pax and car drivers during LX removals is the constant shutdowns and inconvenience. LXRA getting the hang of it is no consolation. A 1 year shutdown would be annoying, but everybody knows exactly what is going on and when it will end.

The approach you suggested (bits here and there) is exactly what LXRA did wrong for the Dandenong line, and if not careful ditto for Frankston.
Going over/under/around ends up wasting a lot of valuable easement space that ends up being useless for anything except a pretty bike path. Quadding Dandenong now will be a nightmare in an easement that originally had plenty of room.

And of course Dandenong/Cranbourne is still not finished, more inconvenience for months/years.

Doing work only to Coburg will not be enough. Still a bunch of LX that have to go, duplication, and V/Line to Roxburg Park will happen eventually. Better to build the whole lot and be done with it. Finished, end, finito, termino - no more to do.
As I've said before, plonking down a long line of piers and beams is a relatively simple process. Just need the concrete factory keeping up.

As for your suggestions about replacement services whilst the work goes on, I completely agree.
A bus terminus in the now empty Ford carpark would make a very attractive option to move cars away from Sydney Rd.

cheers
John
  tazzer96 Chief Commissioner

if you want to the the whole bulldoze and start again.  Would it be smarter to close say coburg to upfield and do a full upgrade, and then when that is approaching completion, do the same with north melbourne to coburg.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
if you want to the the whole bulldoze and start again.  Would it be smarter to close say coburg to upfield and do a full upgrade, and then when that is approaching completion, do the same with north melbourne to coburg.
tazzer96
sorry @tazzer96 to disagree, but would just make the tight schedule even harder.

The one thing going for "bulldoze the lot" is you can use the empty easement for all the staging work.
Ripping out from the Fawkner end means you can truck out all the waste without going on to the suburban roads.
As you go, the now empty easement becomes the exit road for the work happening closer in. Makes for a very quick job.

Then you have an empty road all the way from Flemington to the Ring Road for all the real work stuff to move in. The entry gate is way out north of the traffic.

By doing it only half way, you end up with a mess of a work site in the inner suburbs. But can't use the easement road because you just built a railway line there.

cheers
John

PS: of course all the cross streets are still there during construction. Lolly Pop men are much better at traffic control than automatic booms.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

10tph Run Frankston to Highett, Express Highett to Caulfield
John.Z


Highett, hehe maybe you use that station and it’s convenient for you having it be express. In all honesty Triplication to Mordialloc will cost little, provision is there from Dane Rd to Bay Rd if you remove the Highett/Whickam Rd LX, there is space but it’s whether the Cheltenham/Mentone LX have provision for a future extension of the third track.

Even then you could still possibly Run express to Mordialloc with a third track ending before Mentone and starting again after Southland.

For the future Frankston to Cragieburn that will be routed via the loop you could have the following service patterns

11 TPH Stopping all Stations to Frankston/Baxter
10 TPH Running express from Mordialloc to Caulfield
4 TPH Running express from Moorabbin to Caulfield

That gives you 25 TPH, but the express service should definitely start at Cheltenham

As for Sandringham, the Elsternwick to South Yarra express was ridiculous, especially considering that those inner stations is where the crush starts on the Sandy Line. Express Brighton Beach To Elsternwick, Elsternwick To Balaclava would be a better option. Middle Brighton, North Brighton, Gardenvale and Ripponlea don’t see as much traffic as the others. Even though the line is pretty quick an express is always nice. Say 8 TPH Stopping all Stations
and 2 TPH Express.

Upfield out of Southern Cross would work, customers for loop/Flinders could change at North Melb. Means they get more services with some terminating at Coburg until Metro Tunnel 1 is completed

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