Lynbrook station is by far the most heavily patronised station on the line. In peak hour there's so many people there you could almost compare it to Flinders Street.
It's a long way from Clyde (North) to Cranny station. I doubt many would do it, you might as well just drive all the way to work.Don't let the locals hear you say that.
Lynbrook station is by far the most heavily patronised station on the line. In peak hour there's so many people there you could almost compare it to Flinders Street.
Just read the post from [color=#0066cc][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,][b]@ianb26[/b][/font][/size][/color], somebody that actually lives in Cranbourne East.Anecdotes are meaningless.
There is a huge number of residents within close proximity to justify 2 stations.
Cranbourne residents didn't pay a special tax, just a huge lump of Stamp Duty. Unlike long term residents in the inner/middle suburbs. Like all taxpayers, they are entitled to some service for that money.Well for a start... Mornington Pen, Langwarrin, Carrum Downs, Endeavour Hills, Dingley, Beaumaris, Knox, Templestowe, Burnside, Caroline Springs, Hillside, Gladstone Park, Keilor, Avondale Heights, Maidstone, Keilor East, Airport West, Greenvale, Wollert, Research, Kilsyth...
"umpteen places a similar distance which will never have rail" - and where would these be ?
In accordance with your posts over the last week, there will not be any new rail anywhere.
And again what is your fixation about development and shopping centres.Development of the Clyde Town Centre will coincide with an appropriate level of development of the area to justify a station.
Passengers do not go to a shopping centre to catch a train/bus. They go to a station. Coincidence is nice but not mandatory.
Congratulations, John. Very well put. As for [color=#0066cc][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,][b]@ZH836301[/b][/font][/size][/color] I think he is from the 19th century, his comments don't fit in with 21st century thinking. Obviously he doesn't live in the outer areas of Melbourne, probably a loopy greeny (yes I deliberately lower cased that) from inner Melbourne.Opposite, rather - 21st century thinking is not a station every kilometre, particularly in low-density, outer suburban areas.
The sooner we electrify (and extend) to outer parts of Melbourne, the better. It doesn't really matter if the population is not there yet,Not how reality works - if a bus can cope with passenger loads, a bus is what should run.
Clyde is filling up right now as we speak, one only has to go to google maps (which I assume it's satellite was last updated in January of this year) to see that there are new estates being built in Clyde, Including one just to the west of the station that looks half done.How about you go to land.vic.gov.au, or educate yourself on the PSPs for the region.
What year are you from? There's Broad Oak Drive to the east of the Proposed site, that connects nicely to Linsell and Berwick Cranbourne roads.There is only space for one station between Clyde and Cranbourne - a 1km gap between Cranbourne East and Casey would be ridiculous.
It's a long way from Clyde (North) to Cranny station. I doubt many would do it, you might as well just drive all the way to work.Even with Clyde station, much of Clyde North is still better off using Cranbourne, if not Beaconsfield or Berwick.
Lynbrook station is by far the most heavily patronised station on the line. In peak hour there's so many people there you could almost compare it to Flinders Street.Based on what? Your psychic wisdom? Cranbourne's patronage (you know, from actual data) is significantly higher.
I don't doubt what you say about Lynbrook.Which is why your opinions aren't all that important.
Mornington Pen, Langwarrin, Carrum Downs, Endeavour Hills, Dingley, Beaumaris, Knox, Templestowe, Burnside, Caroline Springs, Hillside, Gladstone Park, Keilor, Avondale Heights, Maidstone, Keilor East, Airport West, Greenvale, Wollert, Research, Kilsyth...
add in other locations that have nearby stations, over a local boundary lineMornington Pen, Langwarrin, Carrum Downs, Endeavour Hills, Dingley, Beaumaris, Knox, Templestowe, Burnside, Caroline Springs, Hillside, Gladstone Park, Keilor, Avondale Heights, Maidstone, Keilor East, Airport West, Greenvale, Wollert, Research, Kilsyth...
Langwarrin: sparking funded by federal and state Liberals includes station at Langwarrin.
Caroline Springs: has a station.
Wollert: has been proposed as a possible branch from Epping.
In other words, those places that are remotely close to an existing alignment have been on the cards for rail for some time. Clyde is similar.
Unlike @ZH836301, I try to refrain from abusing posters for sharing their personal observations. Try it some time.Just read the post from [color=#0066cc][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,][b]@ianb26[/b][/font][/size][/color], somebody that actually lives in Cranbourne East.Anecdotes are meaningless.
There is a huge number of residents within close proximity to justify 2 stations.Lynbrook station is by far the most heavily patronised station on the line. In peak hour there's so many people there you could almost compare it to Flinders Street.Based on what? Your psychic wisdom? Cranbourne's patronage (you know, from actual data) is significantly higher.
Which is, of course, hardly unexpected given Cranbourne's catchment is many times greater.I don't doubt what you say about Lynbrook.Which is why your opinions aren't all that important.
try a little map reading.What year are you from? There's Broad Oak Drive to the east of the Proposed site, that connects nicely to Linsell and Berwick Cranbourne roads.There is only space for one station between Clyde and Cranbourne - a 1km gap between Cranbourne East and Casey would be ridiculous.
Casey Fields at Berwick-Cbourne Rd/Casey Fields Bvd is the superior site for road connectivity.
The council has planned that the town centre will be in Clyde when the rail line is built. Stations at Cranbourne East and Clyde, Casey if you want an extra Station like Marymede/Middle Gorge on the Mernda Line. That should be adequate until future Electrification to Koo Wee Rup, if we are going to or if the Leongatha Line is ever reopened
Link below.
https://vpa-web.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Clyde-Creek-and-Casey-Fields-South-Newsletter1.pdf
Unlike [color=#0066cc][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,][b]@ZH836301[/b][/font][/size][/color], I try to refrain from abusing posters for sharing their personal observations. Try it some time.Cranbourne's patronage is twice that of Lynbrook, which is on a similar level to Merinda Park.
Lynbrook AM peak 758 entries
Merinda Park AM peak 640 entries
Cranbourne AM peak 943 entries
[color=#0066cc][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,]https://transport.vic.gov.au/-/media/tfv-documents/ptv/ptv-s...[/font][/size][/color]
4 year old data, but shows Lynbrook 80% size of Cranny.
NOT insignificant AND Lynbrook pax have to find their way onto an already loaded train.
No it won't, there's going to be a massive amount of houses by the time the first hole is dug. Mernda proves this, it has 20000+ people crammed in and still doesn't have any work on it's town centre.
A bus is not going to cope in 5 years time though.
Clyde isn't a fair way from development, it's happening right now, are you blind?
try a little map reading.Are you incapable? Broad Oak Dr to Casey Fields Bvd is clearly 1km.
Cranbourne to Broad Oak drive 2km
Broad Oak drive to Casey Field 2km
Casey Field to Clyde 2km
1km gap is rubbish
You fools do realise I support an extension to Clyde... but only once development actually justifies it.I did say that i try to refrain from abuse, but for you I might make an exception
Those suburbs listed all have development farther from railways than Casey and Clyde currently.Unlike [color=#0066cc][size=2][font=Roboto, wf_SegoeUI,][b]@ZH836301[/b][/font][/size][/color], I try to refrain from abusing posters for sharing their personal observations. Try it some time.Cranbourne's patronage is twice that of Lynbrook, which is on a similar level to Merinda Park.
Lynbrook AM peak 758 entries
Merinda Park AM peak 640 entries
Cranbourne AM peak 943 entriestry a little map reading.Are you incapable? Broad Oak Dr to Casey Fields Bvd is clearly 1km.
Cranbourne to Broad Oak drive 2km
Broad Oak drive to Casey Field 2km
Casey Field to Clyde 2km
1km gap is rubbish
From little thing big things grow.The council has planned that the town centre will be in Clyde when the rail line is built. Stations at Cranbourne East and Clyde, Casey if you want an extra Station like Marymede/Middle Gorge on the Mernda Line. That should be adequate until future Electrification to Koo Wee Rup, if we are going to or if the Leongatha Line is ever reopened
Link below.
https://vpa-web.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Clyde-Creek-and-Casey-Fields-South-Newsletter1.pdf
Would KooWeRup be a better location in the short term as it has more space and would also be the bus interchange to the southern areas like Philip Island?
Support Clyde - you have a funny way of showing it. When do YOU think it should be built? 5,10,15 years.?When development justifies it.
Re-read the title of this thread. Starting construction tomorrow, it would still be 5 years from when this thread started
943 is NOT double 758 . go back to school and learn some arithmetic.
Casey Fields Bvd is only a location that suits your argument. It is a stupid place for a station.Stupid? Because you bought into Cranbourne East and want a station there?
Conveniently ignored my last paragraph.
Do you really believe that a car park at a suburban footy training ground is the most suitable site.
Apart from the fields car park (which they should NOT give up) there is no space.You do realise there is more space there than at Cranbourne East?
A major under/over intersection would make the roads/station interconnect a shambles..
Just get over the fact that you have a support base of ONE.
Plenty of space here for a station and a ton of carparking, even once the road is duplicated.to which "here" do you refer. A few Km of contention in your pic.
Ask the AFL for a bit of funding as AFLW and VFL games are played there and would be very handy with a station.
We're stating the obvious, but clearly the guy above is under the misconception that things get built in safe seats such as the western suburbs.And voting against the grain gets you marginal seats. Wise up folks, time to get woke.
For his benefit, let's point out that Andrews focussed on shoring up the marginal seat of Yan Yean with the Mernda extension, and the Sandbelt with the Bentleigh etc removals.
Similarly, Guy is focussing on trying to get hold of the extremely marginal seats of Cranbourne and Frankston.
Meanwhile, safe Labor seat Melton sits waiting for electrification for decades, and safe Labor northern seats like Coburg etc are well down the list of LX removal priority.
You want infrastructure projects, living in a marginal seat helps.