2018 State Election / Transport

 
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Have the Libs provided any details on their regional rail plan ? or was It all just hot air with a few wow factor numbers pulled out of a hat ?
Nightfire
Yep, a few wow factor numbers pulled out of their rear end and hope that the public will fall for it. Man, the Ballarat Upgrade alone, which involves the duplication of the line from Deer Park to Melton (20 Kms) and Passing loops at Bacchus Marsh, 1 new station and 3 station re-builds, sans Electrification or new rolling stock is going to cost $500 Million. And Matthew Guy thinks that he can completely re-build 90% of the Regional Passenger network, provide express tracks in the Melbourne area, provide an extra track corridor for Gippsland, which would have to be a tunnel because they do not want SkyRail. Not to mention Electrification, updating of signalling and entirely new rolling stock. For $19 Billion?

An almighty word salad from a party and a leader that just does not have a scooby doo. And when he has admitted as such that he had only just put the proposal in a interview, the question then becomes, is he serious or is he just taking the public for fools. Stick to Demonizing Sudanese Migrants and Muslims, because that makes a much sense as the $19 Billion beef jerky the Coalition is putting out.

Michael

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  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Have the Libs provided any details on their regional rail plan ? or was It all just hot air with a few wow factor numbers pulled out of a hat ?
Yep, a few wow factor numbers pulled out of their rare end and hope that the public will fall for it. Man, the Ballarat Upgrade alone, which involves the duplication of the line from Deer Park to Melton (20 Kms) and Passing loops at Bacchus Marsh, 1 new station and 3 station re-builds, sans Electrification or new rolling stock is going to cost $500 Million. And Matthew Guy thinks that he can completely re-build 90% of the Regional Passenger network, provide express tracks in the Melbourne area, provide an extra track corridor for Gippsland, which would have to be a tunnel because they do not want SkyRail. Not to mention Electrification, updating of signalling and entirely new rolling stock. For $19 Billion?

An almighty word salad from a party and a leader that just does not have a scooby doo. And when he has admitted as such that he had only just put the proposal in a interview, the question then becomes, is he serious or is he just taking the public for fools. Stick to Demonizing Sudanese Migrants and Muslims, because that makes a much sense as the $19 Billion beef jerky the Coalition is putting out.

Michael
mejhammers1
The Coalition's lack of detail on PT has been very disappointing.  More a 'thought bubble' than anything properly thought out.

That said - The ALP are silly to continue funding stupid road projects (which the Coalition are also guilty of, probably more so).  And the Victorian Greens are a right royal hot mess.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Alright, lets do some tips now so we can be embarrassed by the end of the day.
I'm tipping a Labor majority with the loss of one seat, with two more inner city seats going to the Greens and Labor winning Ripon.





Edit: Just rephrased the post - no sandpaper.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Alright, lets do some tips now so we can be embarrassed by the end of the day.
I'm tipping a Labor majority with the loss of one seat, with two more inner city seats going to the Greens and Labor winning Ripon.





Edit: Just rephrased the post - no sandpaper.
reubstar6
I think the Greens will struggle to gain any new seats.  ALP majority likely.

The Upper House will see the balance of power held by various microparties and independent(s).
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Have the Libs provided any details on their regional rail plan ? or was It all just hot air with a few wow factor numbers pulled out of a hat ?
Yep, a few wow factor numbers pulled out of their rare end and hope that the public will fall for it. Man, the Ballarat Upgrade alone, which involves the duplication of the line from Deer Park to Melton (20 Kms) and Passing loops at Bacchus Marsh, 1 new station and 3 station re-builds, sans Electrification or new rolling stock is going to cost $500 Million. And Matthew Guy thinks that he can completely re-build 90% of the Regional Passenger network, provide express tracks in the Melbourne area, provide an extra track corridor for Gippsland, which would have to be a tunnel because they do not want SkyRail. Not to mention Electrification, updating of signalling and entirely new rolling stock. For $19 Billion?

An almighty word salad from a party and a leader that just does not have a scooby doo. And when he has admitted as such that he had only just put the proposal in a interview, the question then becomes, is he serious or is he just taking the public for fools. Stick to Demonizing Sudanese Migrants and Muslims, because that makes a much sense as the $19 Billion beef jerky the Coalition is putting out.

Michael
The Coalition's lack of detail on PT has been very disappointing.  More a 'thought bubble' than anything properly thought out.

That said - The ALP are silly to continue funding stupid road projects (which the Coalition are also guilty of, probably more so).  And the Victorian Greens are a right royal hot mess.
Carnot
Agreed. I find it highly disappointing that the ALP still insist on building massive freeways.

Michael
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

I’m tipping overall gain for the ALP of two seats - one from the Coalition, perhaps Ripon, and one from the Greens.

All five election eve polls - The Age, Newspoll, Galaxy, ReachTEL, and Morgan - have shown an increased primary vote for Labor and a 2PP in the range of 53-54.
  ElliotProvis Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne, Victoria
That’s a big chunk of the vote, wow.
Yes I think a majority ALP and I suspect a relatively uniform swing towards them. I even think some of those Eastern suburbs seats will go to the ALP.

Upper House will be a right mess. Disappointing that Glen Druery’s still able to make the deals he does. Undemocratic.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

That said - The ALP are silly to continue funding stupid road projects (which the Coalition are also guilty of, probably more so).  And the Victorian Greens are a right royal hot mess.
Carnot

*Probably* more so? Really?

The Libs are promising the NE Link (matching Labor), plus the resurrected East West Link and 55 grade separations of major arterial road intersections.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Yep, a few wow factor numbers pulled out of their rear end and hope that the public will fall for it. Man, the Ballarat Upgrade alone, which involves the duplication of the line from Deer Park to Melton (20 Kms) and Passing loops at Bacchus Marsh, 1 new station and 3 station re-builds, sans Electrification or new rolling stock is going to cost $500 Million. And Matthew Guy thinks that he can completely re-build 90% of the Regional Passenger network, provide express tracks in the Melbourne area, provide an extra track corridor for Gippsland, which would have to be a tunnel because they do not want SkyRail. Not to mention Electrification, updating of signalling and entirely new rolling stock. For $19 Billion?

Michael
mejhammers1
Something that I didn't really find surprising, but did find surprising that Jon Faine didn't pick up on it, was that on yesterday's "The Wrap", Tim Smith, Member for Kew, said that the Libs would only be spending their $19 Billion promise on the HSR on the Geelong and Ballarat Lines.

I am not sure what he had meant to say, but it actually might be what could end up happening if they win.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Something that I didn't really find surprising, but did find surprising that Jon Faine didn't pick up on it, was that on yesterday's "The Wrap", Tim Smith, Member for Kew, said that the Libs would only be spending their $19 Billion promise on the HSR on the Geelong and Ballarat Lines.
Jack Le Lievre

a) Smith is an idiot and has done this with several Liberal policies - sometimes revealing uncomfortable truths, and sometimes misrepresenting his own party’s policies. I’d be inclined to believe in this case it’s the former - we all know the numbers are dodgy.

b) Transport literacy in the media is abysmal, Andrew Lund and Timna Jacks notwithstanding. Most “general” commentators and interviewers like Faine seem to have poor knowledge of these issues compared to the other ones they deal with.

On another note - another important tip needs to be made. What time will Antony Green call the election?

I’ll put my money on 7:45 pm.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Just putting it out there, but considering quite a few voted early, is there any merit to making the appropriate amendments to whatever is needed in order to allow for early votes to be counted one hour before the polls close?

This would mean when the polls close, some counting has already happened providing for a head start. It's not like the counters aren't already on site, BUT their results could only be released after the poll closing time.

Would this provide a speed up in finding out the result? Has anyone here partaken in this task to know how much time is taken to count say 100 votes?

Let's be honest, with the seemingly increasing trend of voting early where possible, IMHO we just want to get it done, find out asap, and move on.

Regards
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Just putting it out there, but considering quite a few voted early, is there any merit to making the appropriate amendments to whatever is needed in order to allow for early votes to be counted one hour before the polls close?

This would mean when the polls close, some counting has already happened providing for a head start. It's not like the counters aren't already on site, BUT their results could only be released after the poll closing time.

Would this provide a speed up in finding out the result? Has anyone here partaken in this task to know how much time is taken to count say 100 votes?

Let's be honest, with the seemingly increasing trend of voting early where possible, IMHO we just want to get it done, find out asap, and move on.

Regards
davesvline
I've worked in polling booths in SA for state and federal elections, so I can comment with some authority.

With seven staff doing the count we got through around 2200 votes for both houses by 10:20 this year, and that was about 400 more than in previous times so we were effectively doing it short-staffed. Our number of ballot papers balanced exactly, by the way.

There is no merit, and I can explain why.

There are a number of issues I would see with allowing ballot boxes to be opened before polls close:
1. It's impossible to prevent leaks these days.
2. The security of the ballot in Australian systems is lauded around the world (a number of countries actually contract the AEC to run their elections) and this was not achieved by taking shortcuts.
3. The 'counters' are not there and twiddling their thumbs before 6pm, the count on the night is done at the polling booths and opening of other ballot boxes (pre-poll, remote teams, postal, declaration votes, absent votes etc) at the divisional bases happens no earlier than the day after the election. All the staff and space at the divisional bases is devoted to election day logistics on the day, not to counting votes.
4. There is usually a statistically significant difference between pre-poll voting and voting on the day, so normal polling booths would still need to report in before the results could firm up. All the extra effort (more staff on Saturday overtime rates, more scrutineers, more space needed at divisional bases) would be for no gain.

By the way, the media report the 'increase in early voting' every single election, but the number of normal votes on the day is still around 70-75% with only select rural districts being any lower. Stick with what works.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I know of some Victorian voters who are stuck at Sydney Airport due to delays there and might not make it back before 6pm. Quite a few in that boat....
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

I know of some Victorian voters who are stuck at Sydney Airport due to delays there and might not make it back before 6pm. Quite a few in that boat....
Carnot
That will certainly be a valid reason for not voting.

But if I knew I would be interstate and coming back on election day, I would do a pre-poll or postal vote. Hopefully most of those travelling did so themselves.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

I know of some Victorian voters who are stuck at Sydney Airport due to delays there and might not make it back before 6pm. Quite a few in that boat....
That will certainly be a valid reason for not voting.

But if I knew I would be interstate and coming back on election day, I would do a pre-poll or postal vote. Hopefully most of those travelling did so themselves.
justapassenger
Many were originally booked to return yesterday afternoon.....
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Just putting it out there, but considering quite a few voted early, is there any merit to making the appropriate amendments to whatever is needed in order to allow for early votes to be counted one hour before the polls close?
davesvline
Antony Green was saying the other day that VEC Officials are starting to sort the pre-polling ballot papers from 16:00. This is done under strict control with no party scrutineers being allowed into the locked area, no electronic devices allowed either, or anything else allowed other than water. Once the Officials are "locked down" they aren't allowed in or out, until 18:05.

This has been done since the 2014 State Election, it was also done at the last Federal Election in Victoria, but it was not promoted either time.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
I voted early on account of returning today, and didn't want the headache.
Thanks justapassenger for your answer too.

Regards
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Very interesting...

I figured if there's checks and balances to make sure it's all secure, and helps then why not.

Cheers
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Plenty of queues at the polling booths in my area.  Would have been a busy morning.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Galaxy exit polls have Labor ahead 55-45.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Well, Mr Green has called it for Labor at 7.16pm.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Well, Mr Green has called it for Labor at 7.16pm.
potatoinmymouth
It looks like a massive landslide win for the ALP at this stage, as I look at the board it is ALP 51!!, LNP16, in doubt 18, those figures may change, but I think it's clear the Victorian people have spoken!!

Kind Regards
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Well, Mr Green has called it for Labor at 7.16pm.
potatoinmymouth
Huge swings against the Liberals. Very interesting to see.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Cupper is looking good to win Mildura as an independent. Will certainly increase the amount of noise in Parliament about the train if that happens. But with such a massive Labor majority, crossbenchers will have little to no negotiating power.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
They were saying that this election would have major implications at a Federal level, whichever way it went, well, M.R Morrison would be very very afraid looking at these figures:!:

Kind Regards

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