2018 State Election / Transport

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Arrogance didn't seem to affect Joh though. Different people up there...
duttonbay

AND a whopping great GERRYMANDER Exclamation

1972, and many other years and elections as well, till Labor's Wayne Goss BEAT the gerrymander...'Labor was consigned to Opposition despite winning almost 41,000 more primary votes than the Coalition. Bjelke-Petersen's Country Party had 26 seats to the Liberals' 21. Thus, as leader of the senior coalition partner, Bjelke-Petersen stayed on as premier'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjelkemander

Mike.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Mr Mannix appears to have a case of sour grapes there.
Yes, the East-West payout was expensive but shouldn't have happened as a caretaker government shouldn't sign contracts or letters confirming the contractors entitlement to a payout should the contract be cancelled. The blame falls equally on both parties, one for doing what they shouldn't have and the other for cancelling the project.
The justice system is not in "crisis", although some judges do seem to be a law unto themselves, but that's not part of this argument. It might be under pressure but in a rapidly growing city of over 5 million now with a rather inequitable spread of income what city wouldn't be?
The 'secret'deal ain't much of a secret as everyone knows about it and it is, apparently, not unusual, nor is it illegal.
Is Andrews under investigation by the police or is this another beat-up following the lines of The Hun?

Tolls is another one;, who first gave Citylink, and then Eastlink, the rights to toll roads? if you don't like tolls, as one of my acquaintances says, and lives by, don't use them. I have two tags for two vehicles but rarely use Eastlink unless time is tight.

Neil
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

The answer is very simple , this is not a popularity contest it is about people seeing things getting done on all fronts to cope with an expanding Melbourne and major regional centres .

The Bailleu/Napthine years are too fresh in peoples minds, four lost years - nothing much was built or actually done.

One doesnt have to like Andrews but in the last 4 years he sure has got a lot done on the infrastructure front and people see and benefit from that each day . VLP Metro & Yarra Trams services boosted .

Public transport wise in 70 years on this earth I have never seen a works program like it, nor has public transport been such a high profile issue in a State election as in 2018 .

People don t realize Labor has been in power here for 3/4 of the last 30 years .  Just look at what has been delivered since  2006     RFR,  new Metro & VLP fleet, Sunbury electrification, South Morang / Mernda electrification,  RRL,  26 plus  lx removed in 4 years, Metro tunnel well under way .  All initiated and funded by State & Federal Labor Governments .

Compare that with the Bailleu/Napthine years  no new trains or trams ordered, lx upgraded between Bendigo and Echuca but promised line speed of 100kmh not delivered .
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
bevans
Is Mannix the village idiot in disguise?
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

bevans
What is a "Brian Mannix"?
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Daniel Andrews doesn't lead a perfect Labor party. They've had some issues during their first term. But Daniel Andrews is a great political leader, whether you disagree with his policies or not. You see he actually works very hard at his job, he has passion and a motivation to do better than any other politician, to go bold and shoot for the stars. He gets things done and follows through with his promises, which can't be said with many politicians. He built a foundation of trust to the voters and shown to be driven with passion to achieve what people want to see. A government that gets on and builds infrastructure, puts in place good education and training for the next generation, and keeps the state in momentum and prosperity.

Unfortunately the Liberals didn't have a good foundation on promises being kept. There was little action undertaken for 4 years they were in office. And the opposition leader had policies which set out more to attack the current policies instead bring something new to the table. And since the current government was well in control of leading the state the "getting back in control" slogan was redundant. And since Fed Liberals were in choas, that just didn't help them either.

That's how you get a major Labor landslide win. A government doing it's job properly, a very poor opposition which didn't understood what Victorians wanted, and the axing of Malcolm Turnball. These were all factors leading to the outstanding win.
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
The answer is very simple , this is not a popularity contest it is about people seeing things getting done on all fronts to cope with an expanding Melbourne and major regional centres .

The Bailleu/Napthine years are too fresh in peoples minds, four lost years - nothing much was built or actually done.

One doesnt have to like Andrews but in the last 4 years he sure has got a lot done on the infrastructure front and people see and benefit from that each day . VLP Metro & Yarra Trams services boosted .

Public transport wise in 70 years on this earth I have never seen a works program like it, nor has public transport been such a high profile issue in a State election as in 2018 .

People don t realize Labor has been in power here for 3/4 of the last 30 years .  Just look at what has been delivered since  2006     RFR,  new Metro & VLP fleet, Sunbury electrification, South Morang / Mernda electrification,  RRL,  26 plus  lx removed in 4 years, Metro tunnel well under way .  All initiated and funded by State & Federal Labor Governments .

Compare that with the Bailleu/Napthine years  no new trains or trams ordered, lx upgraded between Bendigo and Echuca but promised line speed of 100kmh not delivered .
kuldalai

This right here is the reason Andrews won in a landslide. People can see their taxes actually being used to the betterment of the state and it's not just public transport; there's hospitals and education etc. benefiting as well.
  mejhammers1 Deputy Commissioner

Again Brian Mannix and other enraged on the right wing do not get it. The money was GUARANTEED by that Muppet of a Treasurer Michael O Brien. It was GUARANTEED to the consortium through a side letter rushed through parliament sans any sort of scrutiny. The money was to be paid whether the road was built or not. To blame just Daniel Andrews is myopic in the extreme.

As far as I am concerned I am disappointed that the neo Con farce of what they call the Liberal Party did not get reduced to a rump. They ran a totally crap campaign based on fear had nothing to offer and got what they deserved. Nothing but an almighty kick in the pants.


Michael
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Again Brian Mannix and other enraged on the right wing do not get it. ......Michael
mejhammers1
So, we have our very own Ted Nugent?
  ParkesHub Chief Commissioner

Ghosts of John Clarke with this interview between Sky News and the Liberal Candidate for Frankston.....very funny...

https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/lamb/10554680
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Ghosts of John Clarke with this interview between Sky News and the Liberal Candidate for Frankston.....very funny...

https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/lamb/10554680
ParkesHub

Even worse when you consider his regular coffee haunt was 'owned' by a convicted drug grower

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/tough-on-crime-guy-stops-for-coffee-with-convicted-drug-cultivator-20181119-p50gxg.html

The face of law and order in Frankston Razz
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
Thanks ParkesHub for that post. Well worth following the link for the laughs as Mr Lamb showed his inability to deal with a simple Q&A. Imagine what he'd had been like as an MP!

Neil
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
Oh, wow. That is painful to watch. It really seems like none of the Liberals prepared for any of the interviews I've seen/read/heard...
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Ghosts of John Clarke with this interview between Sky News and the Liberal Candidate for Frankston.....very funny...

https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/lamb/10554680

Even worse when you consider his regular coffee haunt was 'owned' by a convicted drug grower

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/victoria/tough-on-crime-guy-stops-for-coffee-with-convicted-drug-cultivator-20181119-p50gxg.html

The face of law and order in Frankston Razz
bingley hall
Frankston has had a history of being dodgy and its MPs (such as my uncle's old friend Geoff Shaw) are no different.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Shaw_(politician)
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Is Mannix the village idiot in disguise?
"bingley hall"
If he is, the disguise isn't all that convincing.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

No surprise that Matthew Guy has quit as Liberal Party leader this morning.

As for the Upper House, it's not looking quite as bad as it did earlier in the week for the Coalition.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic-election-2018/results/legislative-council/
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
So all that talk from the Liberal National Coalition in the lead up to the election about a vote for Labor being a vote for a Labor/Greens coalition is looking more and more like hogwash. No big surprise.

Daniel Andrews said he wouldn't need the Greens, and right now, he doesn't.

You need 20 seats in the upper house to pass legislation, Labor has 18 seats and the Greens have 1,  with another 9 going to other minor parties and just 11 to the Liberals and Nationals.

Still not a majority, but closer than most people thought it would be.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Arrogance didn't seem to affect Joh though. Different people up there...

AND a whopping great GERRYMANDER Exclamation

1972, and many other years and elections as well, till Labor's Wayne Goss BEAT the gerrymander...'Labor was consigned to Opposition despite winning almost 41,000 more primary votes than the Coalition. Bjelke-Petersen's Country Party had 26 seats to the Liberals' 21. Thus, as leader of the senior coalition partner, Bjelke-Petersen stayed on as premier'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjelkemander

Mike.
The Vinelander
Well  .....  "Don t you worry about that !!!!  "  Remember Sir Joh also said "You ll ctach more flies with sticky paper than with a fly swat  !!! "
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Meanwhile, a very large Rent-seeking mob could benefit from one of Dan's big ugly road projects for decades to come:
https://www.afr.com/news/victorian-govt-could-sell-toll-rights-to-defray-16b-north-east-link-cost-20181127-h18eyn

And the Libs were no better since they also supported this monster.
  ngarner Train Controller

Location: Seville
As for the Upper House, it's not looking quite as bad as it did earlier in the week for the Coalition.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic-election-2018/results/legislative-council/
Carnot
It will be a while before the Upper House is settled. Most have a very small percentage, less than 12%, of the vote counted so things are not settled there at all.

Neil
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
No surprise that Matthew Guy has quit as Liberal Party leader this morning.

As for the Upper House, it's not looking quite as bad as it did earlier in the week for the Coalition.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/vic-election-2018/results/legislative-council/
Carnot
I assume he was escorted to the Gang Plank, which perhaps is the right thing, but there Should be a lot of other NimdRods, that Should be following him.

After all, the election fiasco wasn't just his own doing, plenty of fingers in the pie, that created, that mess !!

BigShunter.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Meanwhile, a very large Rent-seeking mob could benefit from one of Dan's big ugly road projects for decades to come:
https://www.afr.com/news/victorian-govt-could-sell-toll-rights-to-defray-16b-north-east-link-cost-20181127-h18eyn

And the Libs were no better since they also supported this monster.
Carnot
The current government is already spending many billions on rail projects around the Melbourne Metro area for which most people will not have access to as they do not live near a rail line. It is quite reasonable for the government to do something for most of Melbourne's population that can only drive and joining the Eastern and Western major roads with a toll road is the obvious project.

Melbourne is far to spread out to have real good rail mass transit system, road improvements simply cannot be ignored.

Note: The very large size of the Melbourne Metro area WILL cause serious mass transport problems in the not to distant future.

woodford
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

A few interesting developments in the Cabinet reshuffle from a transport perspective.

Ms Allan is now the Minister for Transport Infrastructure.

Melissa Horne is the new Minister for Public Transport and the Minster for Ports and Freight.

Jaala Pulford is the new Minister for Roads.

I really like this portfolio structure, for a number of reasons.

All rail operations are now under one minister, for the first time in a while. Freight has been specifically recognised in a portfolio name. Ms Allan has been allowed to focus on what she is clearly good at (remember she is also Leader of the House) and will have solid authority to keep the infrastructure program on track. This also does a better job of aligning with the internal structure of the Department (infrastructure program under the Coordinator General, operations under TFV).

Look, we all acknowledge there is an element of deckchair shuffling, but a competent group of Ministers can make a big difference to any area of government activity. Let's hope it will be the case here.

(quick edit: Melissa Horne is a first-time MP. Let's also hope she is up to the task.)

(double edit: Ms Horne actually comes to Parliament from the LXRA and formerly the Department of Infrastructure. She is certainly going to be across the portfolio.)

(triple edit: The Department of Economic Development, Jobs, Transport and Resources is being abolished and restructured into the Department of Transport and the Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions. This is absolutely fantastic news for the Transport portfolio - as we have seen with the infrastructure program, dedicated bureaucrats are a great way of getting things done effectively. DEDJTR was just too big to do its job at maximum efficiency. Apologies to @YM-Mundrabilla who will have to drink some more acronym soup.)
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

That sounds like quite an over-complicated structure, lots of overlap (e.g. it seems that roads and ports are no longer transport infrastructure, it's not clear whether projects like Melbourne Metro are infrastructure or public transport) and lots of opportunity for dodging accountability.

A clearer structure would have a single Minister for Transport and Infrastructure plus a couple of non-ministerial 'spokesperson for xyz.'

It looks to me like at least one of them is being set up to mainly serve as a sacrificial lamb when things go wrong. Horne would be the most likely candidate, as a newbie MP in a seat so safe that even a donkey wearing a red ribbon could get a 65% vote.

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