50 level crossings to be removed

 
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Yeah I find it incredible the progress made by the Labor government. I think we were all sceptical about the level crossings. I certainly thought they would just do the marginals that forget about the rest. As for the Metro Tunnel, I thought that Abbott would not give us the funding thus it wouldn't happen. Mr Andrews has exceeded expectations. The only real blemish for rail is the Murray Basin rail project, however even that will likely be finished, albeit a bit late. With the skilled workers that he has harnessed and trained for the current generation of level crossing removals, he will utilise this to keep removing them as long as Victorians welcome him to do so. I hope that it will be the same case for the TBM workers.

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  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Liberals have supported level crossing removals just as much as Labor. It's bipartisan to a certain degree. And yes I believe the Coalition will pull through a major policy shift after that devasting loss at the 2018 election.

Supported LX as much as labor, you’re having a laugh now. Here’s some history for you guys
1954 Removals were started under John Cain Sr who was Labor which included ones such as Elsternwick, Moorabbin, Newport and Footscray.

The Removals of Nunawading, Epping, springvale and sunshine were announced by Labor under brumby and completed in the Baillieu era. The libs have only I guess announced new st level crossing which cost 5 Million to build.

They couldn’t care less about LX. That’s why they tried and failed with the botched and crappy intersection Removals. Currently, it Labor and only labor that will remove LX. Right now with the way the liberals have been you cannot trust them
ptvcommuter
The Napthine government in 2013-2014 did care about level crossing removals. They removed 2 in sunshine as extra funding towards the RRL project. I'm aware they've cut other components of the project. Removed the one at Springvale and 2 in Mitham. Then planned a bunch more level crossing removals.
Hence why all 8 level crossings were removed straight away under the re-elected Labor government.

Give them credit where it's due.

But I agree they wouldn't remove them in quick succession and done them at a huge rate as Labor as done. In fact no-one saw it coming in 2014. We thought it was an ambitious promise with nothing in recent history to suggest we could undertake such a program.

Now as for 180 level crossings being removed by 2050, unlikely but not impossible to see. 90-100 level crossings could potential be removed under the current Labor government. To see the rest removed by successive government is yet to be seen. But as Melbourne train network gets busier I can see the rest of the crossings being an issue and probably removed some time in the future.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

The Napthine government in 2013-2014 did care about level crossing removals. They removed 2 in sunshine as extra funding towards the RRL project. I'm aware they've cut other components of the project. Removed the one at Springvale and 2 in Mitham. Then planned a bunch more level crossing removals. Hence why all 8 level crossings were removed straight away under the re-elected Labor government. Give them credit where it's due. But I agree they wouldn't remove them in quick succession and done them at a huge rate as Labor as done. In fact no-one saw it coming in 2014. We thought it was an ambitious promise with nothing in recent history to suggest we could undertake such a program. Now as for 180 level crossings being removed by 2050, unlikely but not impossible to see. 90-100 level crossings could potential be removed under the current Labor government. To see the rest removed by successive government is yet to be seen. But as Melbourne train network gets busier I can see the rest of the crossings being an issue and probably removed some time in the future.
True Believers



Napthine/Balieu deserve no credit at all, these were all proposed by brumby earlier. They promised to build Airport, Avalon, Rowville and Doncaster Rail, not one hole was dug in the ground. They made no progress on the much needed Metro Tunnel Project, instead the wanted the dud Melbourne Rail Link, a line from South Yarra - Fishermends Bend - Southern Cross via loop to Burnley involving the Frankston, Belgrave & Lilydale Lines. The original metro tunnel should’ve been opened in a year or two, instead we are waiting until 2025 because of their lies.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Napthine/Balieu deserve no credit at all, these were all proposed by brumby earlier.
ptvcommuter

Not true, if a Liberal government budgeted them then it deserves the credit for it.

Red = good, blue = bad isn’t going to get us anywhere.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

@ptvcommuter
Ok Brumby never planned those level crossing removals that the Coalition removed btw 2010-2014.

Brumby did however plan: Sunbury electrification, South Morang extension and RRL. And we're constructed under the Coalition government btw 2010-2014.

Now the Metro tunnel was delayed yes by the Coalition government. Honestly the issue there was finding the funds for the project. A multi billion dollar tunnel doesn't come cheap. Yes they changed the route last minute. Yeah we can agree that was stupid

The Coalition government in 2010-2014 was very slow getting into action with transport projects, only to proceed a few projects and cut the rest.

However the promises for Rowville, Doncaster and Avalon rail were for producing studies not construction. Which they did. And yes it's disappointing nothing was pushed ahead.

Only things the previous gov could be credited was those few level crossing removals they did budget for. And the planned ones. But yeah they don't have a good track record with PT but they've only been in government in 4 years in recent history. Labor has neglected rail too in the past.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Let's not dwell too much on what has happened, or not happened, in the past.  The past is fixed, it's over, cannot be changed, whereas the here, now and future are up for grabs.  That should be our focus, not who did or didn't do what in previous years.  Sure, we can learn from the past - what was done well, badly, or not at all - but apply that knowledge to the present and future without muckraking.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Level crossing removal website been updated with the extra crossings.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
One thing I have noted is according to the LXRA website, all 75 crossings will be removed by 2025. This is one year earlier than the election cycle suggests.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I still hope the long-term goal is the removal of every level crossing that can be removed.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

One thing I have noted is according to the LXRA website, all 75 crossings will be removed by 2025. This is one year earlier than the election cycle suggests.
Gman_86
Well I believe 2025 is the date the Metro Tunnel opens.

I wouldn't be surprised if 75th level crossing is removed and Metro Tunnel opens at the same time with Daniel Andrews cutting the ribbon on both of his flagship projects.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Well I believe 2025 is the date the Metro Tunnel opens. I wouldn't be surprised if 75th level crossing is removed and Metro Tunnel opens at the same time with Daniel Andrews cutting the ribbon on both of his flagship projects.
True Believers
Hopefully he will use this to launch Metro 2.
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
You'd hope that it is announced earlier than that so that a the ground work is done so they can refurbish the TBMs, if necessary, and set them straight back to work on Metro 2 - no pauses or loss of workforce with the knowledge and experience gained from Metro 1.

Neil
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Interesting works at Surrey Hills. A pretty big temporary builders shed going up.

Too early for any works, no test drills in sight, but maybe an Information Booth.

Does indicate that Mont Albert & Surrey Hills have moved up the priority list a fair bit.

cheers
John
  chomper Junior Train Controller

Any news about when Bell St and High St/Cheddar Rd are due to be removed?
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

Any news about when Bell St and High St/Cheddar Rd are due to be removed?
chomper

I haven't heard anything, but I enquired to the Level Crossing Removal Authority about the Glenroy Rd level crossing, in a similar situation I'd assume, and I have not received a reply yet. I have a bad feeling some of these crossings might have been delayed.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Any news about when Bell St and High St/Cheddar Rd are due to be removed?
chomper

Do you mean Bell on the Craigieburn line or on the Mernda line?

High/Cheddar and the Reservoir station rebuild will start during 2019 and be finished by 2020.

Bell St (the Mernda one) will be a Skyrail structure a couple of kms long, taking out a number of crossings.  Not sure if that's been officially announced yet, but I would hazard a guess that preliminary planning will be done in the new year and construction would get underway during 2019 also.
  tayser Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Any news about when Bell St and High St/Cheddar Rd are due to be removed?

I haven't heard anything, but I enquired to the Level Crossing Removal Authority about the Glenroy Rd level crossing, in a similar situation I'd assume, and I have not received a reply yet. I have a bad feeling some of these crossings might have been delayed.
reubstar6
Just prior to the election when there were still 3 level crossings to announce (i.e 22 of 25 new ones had been unveiled) I was crossing my fingers for Kensington, Moonee Ponds and Pascoe Vale - getting those three plus Glennas Royale done would make sense.  

Alas, they weren't on the final list and it instead went to the RRL / soon to be quadruplicated section between Sunshine and Deer Park.  I get that logic, however Moonee Ponds over the next 3-5 years is going to have thousands of more people living within its mini-CBD and the station infrastructure is smeg.  And post Metro tunnel opening, Craigieburn is supposed to see more services - I know Buckley's been done but Kensington/Pacco will be horrendous if frequencies are boosted in peak/off-peak.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

I have no idea what they're going to do with Kensington long-term.  Obviously they will need to do something as the Craigieburn line traffic grows, but it's just in the too-hard basket for the time being.  

However, I would expect that the delivery method is going to change a bit this term.  They'll try to do more packages like the Caulfield-Dandenong project where they just knock out big chunks of each line in one go.
  chomper Junior Train Controller

Any news about when Bell St and High St/Cheddar Rd are due to be removed?

Do you mean Bell on the Craigieburn line or on the Mernda line?

High/Cheddar and the Reservoir station rebuild will start during 2019 and be finished by 2020.

Bell St (the Mernda one) will be a Skyrail structure a couple of kms long, taking out a number of crossings.  Not sure if that's been officially announced yet, but I would hazard a guess that preliminary planning will be done in the new year and construction would get underway during 2019 also.
Adogs
There is no Bell St on the Craigieburn line haha, it is Bell St (Mernda line).

Have they finalised the High/Cheddar design?

Skyrail of a couple kilometres? That could mean it would run from Reservoir station probably through to Thornbury.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Any news about when Bell St and High St/Cheddar Rd are due to be removed?

Do you mean Bell on the Craigieburn line or on the Mernda line?

High/Cheddar and the Reservoir station rebuild will start during 2019 and be finished by 2020.

Bell St (the Mernda one) will be a Skyrail structure a couple of kms long, taking out a number of crossings.  Not sure if that's been officially announced yet, but I would hazard a guess that preliminary planning will be done in the new year and construction would get underway during 2019 also.
There is no Bell St on the Craigieburn line haha, it is Bell St (Mernda line).

Have they finalised the High/Cheddar design?

Skyrail of a couple kilometres? That could mean it would run from Reservoir station probably through to Thornbury.
chomper

1) I think someone mixed up the Craigieburn line with the Upfield line. There is a Bell street level crossing removal both on the Upfield and Mernda corridors.

2) Yes High street design is finalised, that crossing removal is just a short rail bridge, and construction begins and finish by 2020.

3) There is 2 longer sections of elevated rail to be built. One on the Upfield line, and one on the Mernda line. Both to be finalised and completed by 2022.

The Upfield line will remove, Bell street, Moreland road, Munro street and Reynard street as one elevated rail.

The Mernda line will remove, a few in Preston, which includes Bell street, plus an additional 3 more pledged as another section of elevated rail.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
In case of the Upfield line, the decision between a trench and a viaduct has not been made yet. I believe the terrain in that area favours a trench. Also, while not currently viable, a trench would keep the future option of an Upfield rail tunnel open.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Any news about when Bell St and High St/Cheddar Rd are due to be removed?

Do you mean Bell on the Craigieburn line or on the Mernda line?

High/Cheddar and the Reservoir station rebuild will start during 2019 and be finished by 2020.

Bell St (the Mernda one) will be a Skyrail structure a couple of kms long, taking out a number of crossings.  Not sure if that's been officially announced yet, but I would hazard a guess that preliminary planning will be done in the new year and construction would get underway during 2019 also.
There is no Bell St on the Craigieburn line haha, it is Bell St (Mernda line).

Have they finalised the High/Cheddar design?

Skyrail of a couple kilometres? That could mean it would run from Reservoir station probably through to Thornbury.
chomper

Sorry - I meant Upfield line rather than Craigeiburn!!

There are two Bell St crossings - on Mernda line at Bell station, and on the Upfield line near Coburg station.  Both will be Skyrail sections taking out multiple crossings.  They haven't been officially announced on the LXRA website, but planning and design is underway.

High/Cheddar design has ben finalised for a while, it'll start construction fairly soon.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
In case of the Upfield line, the decision between a trench and a viaduct has not been made yet. I believe the terrain in that area favours a trench. Also, while not currently viable, a trench would keep the future option of an Upfield rail tunnel open.
Myrtone
What do you base this claim on?

The terrain is fairly flat and there are no plans for an Upfield rail tunnel.

The LXRA clearly do prefer to build a viaduct where geologically possible, and they are doing so with the government's blessing. This is likely to be used in most projects coming up over the next 4 years.
  tayser Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
In case of the Upfield line, the decision between a trench and a viaduct has not been made yet. I believe the terrain in that area favours a trench. Also, while not currently viable, a trench would keep the future option of an Upfield rail tunnel open.
Myrtone
A final decision may not have been made, but the LXRA's own video shows rail over road is the preferred method: https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/videos/coburg
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Although there are no plans for an Upfield rail tunnel, I want that future option kept open, also that section of the railway is higher than Sydney road, and a viaduct would just make it even higher. Note that it is possible to roof over a viaduct and put a bike path and a footpath on top of that.
I have seen gradient diagrams for the Upfield line and it is uphill from Brunswick station to Moreland station, also downhill just past Batman. A trench would flatten those gradients or at least keep open the future option of flatting them.

EDIT: A preference to raise a railway that is already (sort of) on top of a hill really does suggest a lot of bias in favour of viaducts, that both the government and the L.X.R.A share.

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