Scott Morrison's imploding act

 

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  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Western Australia was also the beneficiary of the superior economic management of the Liberals, had about 8 billion dollars debt when the Barnett Gov. took over, had the good fortune to be in power whilst the biggest mining boom in the states history occurred, and came out the other side 50 billion in debt and flat broke. And not much else  to show for it.

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  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
...we'll still pump $70 million of taxpayers' money into the Grand Prix.
Valvegear
Worth every cent IMHO.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Worth every cent IMHO.
"Dirty Ballast"
We've been fed this line ever since the Grand Prix was pinched from Adelaide, and until somebody puts up some convincing figures, I will continue to call BS.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Anyone hear the right "honourable" Julie Bishop come out and state so publicly this week "anyone could beat Bill Shorten", I find it totally laughable coming from her, this is the person that walked out on Scott Morrison when he was praising her in Parliament
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Worth every cent IMHO.
We've been fed this line ever since the Grand Prix was pinched from Adelaide, and until somebody puts up some convincing figures, I will continue to call BS.
Valvegear
I need some clarification here. Are you saying that the GP was 'worth it' in Adelaide, but not 'worth it' in Melbourne?
  michaelgm Deputy Commissioner

Anyone hear the right "honourable" Julie Bishop come out and state so publicly this week "anyone could beat Bill Shorten", I find it totally laughable coming from her, this is the person that walked out on Scott Morrison when he was praising her in Parliament
Leaving the rest alone. Good on her for walking out.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Western Australia was also the beneficiary of the superior economic management of the Liberals, had about 8 billion dollars debt when the Barnett Gov. took over, had the good fortune to be in power whilst the biggest mining boom in the states history occurred, and came out the other side 50 billion in debt and flat broke. And not much else  to show for it.
wobert
The NT went the same way, lots of revenue streams lost when the CLP privatised the TIO and Port of Darwin but debt paid down - then the ALP manage to blow out current account spending in a matter of 18 months. Reckless.

The core problem is that the NT has a large public service to replicate services all across a large area with only a quarter of a million people or so living in the entire state. Still, I'm not sure if they can sustain 'self-government', they might need stronger Commonwealth supervision, seems to be an endemic amount of bad decision-making and over-spending.

As for W.A., Perth has lots of really impressive public infrastructure projects all over - it's unfortunate that the airport railway line hit a sinkhole (apparently common around Perth), that's going to delay it by over a year apparently... but yeah Colin Barnett, what can you say - didn't plan for the post mining-boom bust. It was a no-brainer, like Julia Gillard didn't care how much money was spent - those problems are for future politicians and taxpayers to fix; too bad for them!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I need some clarification here. Are you saying that the GP was 'worth it' in Adelaide, but not 'worth it' in Melbourne?
"Dirty Ballast"
No, I am not saying anything about Adelaide because I don't know what the government there was saying at the time. I am commenting solely on the repeated statement from successive Victorian governments that the Grand Prix brings great economic benefit to Melbourne. Despite dozens of requests from numerous people, no concrete evidence has ever been produced to back this statement up. In the absence of evidence, I don't believe it.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Anyone hear the right "honourable" Julie Bishop come out and state so publicly this week "anyone could beat Bill Shorten", I find it totally laughable coming from her, this is the person that walked out on Scott Morrison when he was praising her in Parliament
"lsrailfan"
In her place, I'd have walked out too. She would be well aware that Morrison has a forked tongue.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I need some clarification here. Are you saying that the GP was 'worth it' in Adelaide, but not 'worth it' in Melbourne?
No, I am not saying anything about Adelaide because I don't know what the government there was saying at the time. I am commenting solely on the repeated statement from successive Victorian governments that the Grand Prix brings great economic benefit to Melbourne. Despite dozens of requests from numerous people, no concrete evidence has ever been produced to back this statement up. In the absence of evidence, I don't believe it.
Valvegear
Fair enough, you're entitled to that view.

In the absence of concrete evidence, would it make any difference to you whether the GP made a loss of $0.7m or $70m? Granted, in absolute terms, even if the total loss was 70c, the whole exercise wouldn't have been worth it. But a city full of wealthy tourists enjoying the extended par-tay and going home raving about it is one of the reasons that Melbourne has become a desirable destination for international travellers full stop. Maybe there's no concrete evidence because the benefits are immeasurable?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Losing F1 was fantastic for Adelaide.

In addition to the change to Melbourne coming at the perfect time before F1 started what could still prove to be a terminal slide downhill, the combination of the four replacement events has been far better for Adelaide than F1 ever was.

There's a small number of people in SA who want it back, but a number that shrinks every single year.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
In the absence of concrete evidence, would it make any difference to you whether the GP made a loss of $0.7m or $70m?
"DirtyBallast"
If it wasn't taxpayers' money, I couldn't give two hoots.

But a city full of wealthy tourists enjoying the extended par-tay and going home raving about it is one of the reasons that Melbourne has become a desirable destination for international travellers full stop.
"DirtyBallast"
A "city full"? How many wealthy tourists visit Melbourne for the Grand Prix, and how much do they spend?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Couldn't garner those numbers from last years annual report, which showed the subsidy as not $70m but less than$57m, while reinforcing the importance of collaboration opportunities that the GP provides with other events (page 5):
https://www.grandprix.com.au/sites/default/files/pdf/AGP18725-2018-AGPC-Annual-Report-Text-A4-FA-6-Combined-LR.pdf

But a simple search showed some figures from earlier this decade, putting the numbers at 9000 international and 25000 interstate visitors:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/mar/17/australian-grand-prix-weighing-the-benefits-from-a-state-outlay-of-58m

At the end of the day, even if the subsidy does nothing more than make admission prices within the reach of ordinary working folk taking their family out for the day to experience the colour and excitement of a truly international sporting event....what's wrong with that?
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
At the end of the day, even if the subsidy does nothing more than make admission prices within the reach of ordinary working folk taking their family out for the day to experience the colour and excitement of a truly international sporting event....what's wrong with that?
DirtyBallast
What's more earthy and working class that watching some billionaires play race-car at Victorian taxpayer expense?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

At the end of the day, even if the subsidy does nothing more than make admission prices within the reach of ordinary working folk taking their family out for the day to experience the colour and excitement of a truly international sporting event....what's wrong with that?
DirtyBallast
The cheapest ticket for one person (not a family) to get into General Admission (seat not provided) on the Sunday this year is $99 before transaction/delivery fees. Real sport of the people that one.

Going on the way that every opposition complains about it, getting a decent deal that includes a seat must be out of the reach of even politicians, let alone normal families.

Not hard to see why the SA Government needed to take steps to develop an ownership structure which keeps the Victorian Government away from working the same magic on the Tour Down Under.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
From 9 News: -

The government spent $60,000 just on flights for a half-hour press conference on Christmas Island yesterday. The trip from Sydney to Broome, then Christmas Island, then to Perth and finally Canberra took place on a RAAF Boeing 737. But there was only a span of a few hours between wheels-down and wheels-up on Prime Minister Scott Morrison's trip to the remote Indian Ocean island.

During the trip media were allowed into the Christmas Island Detention Centre, a place they had previously been banned from stepping foot into. Speaking to 9News, Mr Morrison said he was "being very honest with the Australian people about what we need to do to get our borders secure". "I've always been very clear with the Australian people about where I stand on border protection and they know my record," the Prime Minister said. "I've had a very simple message to people smugglers: You won't get through me."

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten accused the government of making up border security policy "on the run". "It is beyond a joke that the PM flies to the furthest part of what is technical Australia to run a scare campaign," he said in Melbourne today. This prime minister is focused on photo opportunities at $2000 a minute."

9News political editor Chris Uhlmann was scathing about the short visit. "I thought yesterday was pantomime," he told Today.  "This is a government that is so desperate it's trying to create a crisis. "The hysterical reaction by the government may well cost it rather than benefit it."
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Malcolm Turnbull shows us exactly why he had to be sacked from the top job - he seriously thinks he was on track to win the next election after almost losing the 2016 poll. From The Guardian;

Speaking to the BBC in London overnight, he described the August coup as a “peculiarly Australian form of madness” in an interview using his removal as an example of the retreat of centrism and rise of populism.

Turnbull – who urged the Liberal party to govern from the “sensible centre” while he was leader – said he had been removed because he was on track to beat the Labor leader, Bill Shorten.

Although he did not name conservatives in the party responsible for his ouster, Turnbull said he was voted out “fairly narrowly” in a process that “said more about the internal politics of the Liberal party than of the electorate”.

“You could argue that their concern was not that I would lose the election but rather that I would win it,” he told the British broadcaster.

Delusional - it was only a matter of how much he was going to lose by.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I get the distinct impression that Malcolm had either been smoking something, or had his drink spiked.

As well as that, there's this nonsense that ". . . I was going to win it." So, according to Malcolm it's the twinkle in his eye and the dimple in his chin that was going to win, and to hell with party policies, other personnel, et al. This type of twaddle has become more prevalent over recent years - the idea that, in the next couple of months we'll be voting for Morrison or Shorten. For heaven's sake, the Leader isn't quite the be all and end all - just ask Rudd, Gillard, Abbott and Turnbull.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
2 things I will say here

1. Scott Morrison's trip to Christmas Island was a complete waste of time, we are NOT going to be overrun with asylum seekers anytime soon while the turnback policy remains in place, even under a ALP Govt, I believe the turnbacks will remain as they are now, so what's the issue??

2. Malcom Turnbull is a complete and utter dimwit. if he thinks he was on track to beat Bill Shorten, he is more delusional than I thought, the truth is Malcom, you were going to get totally and utterly smashed at the polls, the general public didn't like you, rusted on Libs even hated you, so what makes you think in your tiny mind that you would have won?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
1. Scott Morrison's trip to Christmas Island was a complete waste of time, we are NOT going to be overrun with asylum seekers anytime soon while the turnback policy remains in place, even under a ALP Govt, I believe the turnbacks will remain as they are now, so what's the issue??
lsrailfan
Tough Image.

2. Malcom Turnbull is a complete and utter dimwit. if he thinks he was on track to beat Bill Shorten, he is more delusional than I thought, the truth is Malcom, you were going to get totally and utterly smashed at the polls, the general public didn't like you, rusted on Libs even hated you, so what makes you think in your tiny mind that you would have won?
lsrailfan
Ego.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
1. Scott Morrison's trip to Christmas Island was a complete waste of time, we are NOT going to be overrun with asylum seekers anytime soon while the turnback policy remains in place, even under a ALP Govt, I believe the turnbacks will remain as they are now, so what's the issue??
Tough Image.

2. Malcom Turnbull is a complete and utter dimwit. if he thinks he was on track to beat Bill Shorten, he is more delusional than I thought, the truth is Malcom, you were going to get totally and utterly smashed at the polls, the general public didn't like you, rusted on Libs even hated you, so what makes you think in your tiny mind that you would have won?
Ego.
Valvegear
Yer well, the tough image part might not work, as a lot of people see Morrison as bending with the wind, as it were

Kind Regards
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Malcom Turnbull is just holding a presser now on ABC 24, here it is live -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjkNNDuAb9A
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Seems Prime Minister Scott Morrison just shot himself in the foot again when at an International Women's Day address in Perth he said women's success shouldn't come at the expense of others. Funny enough the free enterprise system and Capitalist system which the liberal party supports is founded on competition and winning at the expense of others.  Be interesting what Morrison's daughters thought of his speech.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/scott-morrison-says-the-rise-of-women-should-not-come-at-the-expense-of-men
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Imagine how well the major parties could do if only they had leaders with brains and common sense.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
If they (or anyone else) had any brains they'd know what he meant as was you got whatever/wherever based on "MERIT".

No one would be bitching about this if Bill Shorten had said it. Why?? He'd have said his deputy got the job based on merit, NOT cos she's a woman. The fact that she just happens to be is F..cking irrelevant. Pretty sure Julie Bishop was deputy Liberal leader based on merit too.


Another storm in a teacup excuse to get a tissue out.

Pity Scomo didn't say the best person for the job got it, their gender was irrelevant in the decision making process - now F.. k off if you don't like it.
Cup of concrete anyone. Worlds full of sooks, go get some life skills!

It's ok, the election is coming, then we can all move on with the next mob, and their daily offences to be outraged by.
I'm looking forward to this.

Regards

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