Bye Bye to George Pell

 
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Extraordinary from such an experienced high profile barrister like Richter. I cannot understand how he could become so upset about a guilty verdict. Is he letting Pell down, or is there more to it?
Valvegear
Yep, I reckon there's more.
Watch this space.

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
O.k, now I am hearing on the 8:00pm news that he hasn't quit, some other solicitor has put out a statement saying as such. hmmmmm

Kind Regards
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So; the plot thickens. Did he never really quit, or has he been talked into revoking an earlier decision?

Edit: It now appears that Richter will remain on side, but will not be leading in the Appeal. Bret Walker SC will lead. Apparently it is fairly common practice for the trial barrister not to lead in an appeal.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Perhaps he ran into a jury he couldn't intimidate, I've been through the court system a couple of times, and when it came to lawyers, there wasn't a VC winner amongst them.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Perhaps he ran into a jury he couldn't intimidate, I've been through the court system a couple of times, and when it came to lawyers, there wasn't a VC winner amongst them.
"wobert"
I get the distinct impression that Richter spat the dummy when he lost. I'll admit that this is pure speculation, but I wonder if there is a disagreement about Pell going into the witness box. It was said that he wanted to, and it is a matter of record that Richter likes to keep clients quiet and do all the talking himself.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Perhaps he ran into a jury he couldn't intimidate, I've been through the court system a couple of times, and when it came to lawyers, there wasn't a VC winner amongst them.
I get the distinct impression that Richter spat the dummy when he lost.
Valvegear
I get that impression, too.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Richter has not quit, they’re just going to lead with a different barrister at appeal. This is extremely common, because it is far easier for a different counsel to say ‘My learned colleague made a mistake ... ‘ than it is for the original counsel to say to the court ‘I didn’t do this but very well and would like another chance to convince you’.
  Marty47 Beginner

We don't know if people who were present at the mass, at the time of the offences, were sought out as witnesses for the trial ... surely someone in the congregation (hundreds?) would have noticed if the Archbishop had disappeared for 10 or more minutes?

Also, imagine vestments and albs that are tied onto your legs so you cannot possibly pull out your old fella!!!

If the man, Pell, has been living a lie most of his adult life, then don't hold your breath for any last minute confession or act of contrition ... any sign of that will only be a show, to lessen his sentencing!

Child sex offences are regarded as serious offences ... and given he was a long term priest, and he was an Archbishop, and he was overseeing internal investigations within the Australian Catholic church in Victoria ... I wonder if any of that will be taken into consideration when he is given sentencing? Duty of care?

Of course, there will be an appeal against the charges ... and if lost, then an appeal against the sentencing ...
So ... I'm hoping ... Bye Bye to George Pell ...

Wouldn't it be great if he spilled the beans on known other (child sex) offenders in his inner circles!!!
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
We don't know if people who were present at the mass, at the time of the offences, were sought out as witnesses for the trial ... surely someone in the congregation (hundreds?) would have noticed if the Archbishop had disappeared for 10 or more minutes?

Also, imagine vestments and albs that are tied onto your legs so you cannot possibly pull out your old fella!!!

If the man, Pell, has been living a lie most of his adult life, then don't hold your breath for any last minute confession or act of contrition ... any sign of that will only be a show, to lessen his sentencing!

Child sex offences are regarded as serious offences ... and given he was a long term priest, and he was an Archbishop, and he was overseeing internal investigations within the Australian Catholic church in Victoria ... I wonder if any of that will be taken into consideration when he is given sentencing? Duty of care?

Of course, there will be an appeal against the charges ... and if lost, then an appeal against the sentencing ...
So ... I'm hoping ... Bye Bye to George Pell ...

Wouldn't it be great if he spilled the beans on known other (child sex) offenders in his inner circles!!!
Marty47

As has been commented on earlier in the thread, when there's more people in a given place, it's easier for an individual to 'disappear into the crowd', or go missing entirely, particularly if they aren't the focus at that point in time.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

We don't know if people who were present at the mass, at the time of the offences, were sought out as witnesses for the trial ... surely someone in the congregation (hundreds?) would have noticed if the Archbishop had disappeared for 10 or more minutes?

Marty47


Do you not think his very highly paid defence team would have thought of that?  

Or are you wasted as a gunzel, and hoping to be a crown prosecutor? Laughing
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Well this is Australia, and in Australia we cut tall poppies down. Not always an admirable trait I'll agree. Argue the merits of Pell's case or otherwise, and the conviction etc.

That said, I suspect it would please a great many to see that this tall poppy stays cut down? Rightly or wrongly as the case may be.

Regards
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Argue the merits of Pell's case or otherwise, and the conviction etc.
"davesvline"
I've said this before but it bears repetition - you cannot argue the merits of his conviction unless you were in court for the whole trial and heard all the evidence as the jury did.
  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Absolutely. I'm not. But as you elude to, some have. And they will continue to.

But what I want to know is are wehappy to relinquish the tall poppy?

Regards
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
But what I want to know is are we happy to relinquish the tall poppy?
"davesvline"
I don't care how tall ( or short) the poppy is; if he's a paedophile I'm delighted to see him in the clink.
  574M White Guru

Location: Shepparton
Cardinal George Pell's fate to be broadcast live to the world  






Cardinal George Pell arrives at County Court in Melbourne, Wednesday, February 27, 2019. Source: AAP

The sentencing of Cardinal George Pell for child sex offences will be televised live to the public this week.

Updated Updated 1 day ago

By Tom Stayner, SBS


Cardinal George Pell will learn his fate in front of Australia and the world this week with his sentencing to be broadcast live.

Victoria’s County Court has confirmed proceedings against the Catholic cleric will be televised.

A jury found Cardinal Pell guilty of sexually abusing two 13-year old choirboys in Melbourne during the 1990s last November.

In a statement to SBS News, a County Court spokesperson said it was "committed to the principles of open justice."

“Chief Judge Peter Kidd’s sentencing remarks in this matter will be broadcast live,” the statement reads.

The proceedings are scheduled for Wednesday next week.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/cardinal-george-pell-s-fate-to-be-broadcast-live-to-the-world
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I have stopped work to watch the sentencing. Looking good so far, the Victorian corrections system is apparently getting some fresh meat, well, new old stock at least.
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  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
6 years in total, non parole in 3 years 8 months.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
Will get a lower time for arole in this case.

Sentences are:

1. 2 years 6 months
2. 4 years
3. 2 years 6 months
4. 15 months
5. 18 months

4 years the base sentence

6 years in prison is what he has got.

3 years and 8 months to be eligible for parole.
  Michelle12 Moderator Photo Overlord

Location: Melbourne
Looks like Pell will be off to Ararat to do his time.
  Aaron Minister for Railways

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Time to lobby our politicians to correct a glaring error in the sentencing considerations in our courts.

Advanced age due to a period of lapse in reporting ought not reduce head sentences. That the acts went unpunished (in this case for 22 years) should not be a reason to reduce sentence so that he can live out his life in the community. He has already lived for 22 years in the community waiting for this to come about.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Looks like Pell will be off to Ararat to do his time.
Michelle12
Should have been to the older now closed institution - Aradale.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
He would know the area very well as he looked after the area from his position in Ballarat.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
He would know the area very well as he looked after the area from his position in Ballarat.
"X31"
"Looked after" implies that he took good care of it. We know, from his own words and other reports, that he completely ignored instances of sexual abuse from some of the clergy there.
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
A few Detectives and Prosecutors are no doubt enjoying an Ale or 3 this evening - well done to them for pursuing it through.

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