Intermodal Terminal for Central Victoria

 
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
That was because the council is trying to get the yard in town completely removed.    Hence the yard at Dooen.

It was Qube looking for access to Horsham Yard and SCT has Dooen.
x31
I wonder what it says 4 posts above yours...........FFS

BigShunter.

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
With passenger trains in particular being 'flavour of the month' going forward and unlikely to change particularly in Victoria, it's also unlikely the station is going to be moved out of town.

Mike.
I'm sure you'll find it astonishing to know that the Horsham North Resident's Association doesn't give a damn about the return of passenger trains to their town; in fact convener Rae Ward has been campaigning for the Jung-Wail by-pass to built at the same time as the Western Highway by-pass.
don_dunstan

However you'll probably find Ms Ward is very much in the minority. In all the publicity in the Wimmera-Times that's been posted over the years regards passenger trains and Horsham overall, I don't recall Ms Ward getting much of a look in.

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Is “memory like a goldfish” worse or better than “memory like a sieve”? Because I’m really running out of superlatives here.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
However you'll probably find Ms Ward is very much in the minority. In all the publicity in the Wimmera-Times that's been posted over the years regards passenger trains and Horsham overall, I don't recall Ms Ward getting much of a look in.
The Vinelander
The answer is not always MOAR TWAINS. I'm sure it probably comes as a complete shock to you but Horsham didn't protest much when its trains were removed and there really isn't much of a local grass-roots movement to get them back. Why would they - there's five buses a day that connect with the Ararat train. In fact the drive to get the line completely removed from the town probably has more momentum.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Is “memory like a goldfish” worse or better than “memory like a sieve”? Because I’m really running out of superlatives here.
potatoinmymouth
Well, goldfish and memory like a sieve, there like twins, the serial poster, I'm beginning to think they cannot read at all....

Superlatives, I've got a bucket load of them but it may be the end of me if I print them.......Razz...carpark of the Netherby Boozer.......

BigShunter,
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
That was because the council is trying to get the yard in town completely removed.    Hence the yard at Dooen.

It was Qube looking for access to Horsham Yard and SCT has Dooen.
x31
They ain't going to get access ! If they can't get access to the purpose built logistics precinct at Dooen, maybe they should look at Murtoa ?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
That was because the council is trying to get the yard in town completely removed.    Hence the yard at Dooen.

It was Qube looking for access to Horsham Yard and SCT has Dooen.
They ain't going to get access ! If they can't get access to the purpose built logistics precinct at Dooen, maybe they should look at Murtoa ?
Nightfire
Wooo back Nightfire, all this was about 4 - 5 years ago.

BigShunter.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
They ain't going to get access ! If they can't get access to the purpose built logistics precinct at Dooen, maybe they should look at Murtoa ?
Nightfire
Unless the government stepped in with an open infrastructure plan there's no reason why Dooen's present tenants should share; so why not allow others to be built.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
However you'll probably find Ms Ward is very much in the minority. In all the publicity in the Wimmera-Times that's been posted over the years regards passenger trains and Horsham overall, I don't recall Ms Ward getting much of a look in.
The answer is not always MOAR TWAINS. I'm sure it probably comes as a complete shock to you but Horsham didn't protest much when its trains were removed and there really isn't much of a local grass-roots movement to get them back. Why would they - there's five buses a day that connect with the Ararat train. In fact the drive to get the line completely removed from the town probably has more momentum.
don_dunstan

Let's go back to the discussion about PT deficient regional SA shall we Question

In 1996...almost 25 years ago...people didn't use nor advocate for trains and improved service frequencies like they do now.

You made an excellent choice in moving to SA with your 20th Century PT opinion on provision of regional PT.

BTW...there's now up to 7 buses a day from Horsham to the City.

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/3efaa93c-7229-41ef-8ad2-ffc462665ae2/210-Nhill-Melbourne-(via-Horsham)-(1)

M.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Getting back on track for the topic above with 18mtpa of freight in Ballarat and only 45% of that freight going to melbourne, that leaves just under 1 million tons of freight per annum going to other destinations in the country.  Alone that is over 100 containers per day heading to places other than Melbourne.

Plus there is the surrounding freight task.

Dooen is too far to use.

Why not consider a terminal in Ballarat?
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
Getting back on track for the topic above with 18mtpa of freight in Ballarat and only 45% of that freight going to melbourne, that leaves just under 1 million tons of freight per annum going to other destinations in the country.  Alone that is over 100 containers per day heading to places other than Melbourne.

Plus there is the surrounding freight task.

Dooen is too far to use.

Why not consider a terminal in Ballarat?
bevans
So, your findings after your second chat with Ballarat Council yesterday were...…?
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Getting back on track for the topic above with 18mtpa of freight in Ballarat and only 45% of that freight going to melbourne, that leaves just under 1 million tons of freight per annum going to other destinations in the country.  Alone that is over 100 containers per day heading to places other than Melbourne.

Plus there is the surrounding freight task.

Dooen is too far to use.

Why not consider a terminal in Ballarat?
bevans
Bevans, if the primary destination of freight from Ballarat only accounts for 45% of the task then, if anything, that suggests rail is not a viable method of transport. If those 100 containers were heading to a single destination then rail might make sense; since they are spread across dozens of possible destinations we are well below the volumes required for intermodal trip trains. That's without even contemplating how much of that freight is time-sensitive and could afford to be stuck at North Geelong for hours waiting for a path elsewhere.

On the other hand, I would be curious to known how much of the Melbourne component is import/export related; there could certainly be a case for port trip trains post-standardisation if that percentage is high.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Let's go back to the discussion about PT deficient regional SA shall we Question
The Vinelander
There's plenty of PT in regional SA - there's buses and planes a-plenty. We simply don't have the infrastructure or population densities in South Australia to have a country rail network. End-of-story.
In 1996...almost 25 years ago...people didn't use nor advocate for trains and improved service frequencies like they do now. You made an excellent choice in moving to SA with your 20th Century PT opinion on provision of regional PT. BTW...there's now up to 7 buses a day from Horsham to the City.
The Vinelander
I'm sure it comes as a total shock to you that not everyone thinks the same as you do - even on this board. The fact that there's people in Horsham campaigning for the complete removal of the railway line is probably a complete anathema to you but I can fully understand it. It no longer serves any purpose and divides the town with only three crossings - and as you say yourself Horsham is perfectly well served by several buses a day. It's more likely that the Jung-Wail bypass will happen than passenger rail returning to the Wimmera, it'll save at least 20 minutes on the main west.

Passenger rail shouldn't run everywhere and anywhere - I'm as much of a foamy gunzel as anyone else here but even I can see that. That money would be better spent helping set up competing container interchanges in the Wimmera (ie Murtoa or Rupanyup) so that Dooen isn't the only choice.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
A similar fate could have befallen the land owner at Waurn Ponds who stopped the expansion of that terminal station...building sidings for stabling trains etc...however the government held off until the circumstances changed.

Therefore as land would have to be resumed from an unsuspecting cocky for this Horsham thought bubble, it's unlikely to occur.

As you're now clearly delusional that passenger trains 'shouldn't run everywhere and anywhere', would you like to suggest which other rural communities in Victoria should have their passenger train service cancelled Question

M.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
A similar fate could have befallen the land owner at Waurn Ponds who stopped the expansion of that terminal station...building sidings for stabling trains etc...however the government held off until the circumstances changed.

Therefore as land would have to be resumed from an unsuspecting cocky for this Horsham thought bubble, it's unlikely to occur.

As you're now clearly delusional that passenger trains 'shouldn't run everywhere and anywhere', would you like to suggest which other rural communities in Victoria should have their passenger train service cancelled Question

M.
The Vinelander
As usual, you're making two mistakes here.

Firstly, you assume the answer is always "trains". It's not. The second mistake is that because I'm pointing out that Horsham isn't that keen to get its trains back that I must therefore be anti-rail. Again, I'm not. I just think that the answer in every instance is not MOAR TWAINS, especially when there's luke-warm community support and a dwindling population base incapable of supporting a reinstated train.
  Richard stroker Locomotive Driver

I need some clarification on this, BS might now the answer , didn't Qube run trains out of the Horsham yard years ago and stop using rail when the Horsham yard was closed and they couldn't get access to Dooen , so now all Qube traffic goes by road.

Richard Stroker
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I need some clarification on this, BS might now the answer , didn't Qube run trains out of the Horsham yard years ago and stop using rail when the Horsham yard was closed and they couldn't get access to Dooen , so now all Qube traffic goes by road.

Richard Stroker
Richard stroker
Yes, your biting fairly close to the Bone, Dick, I alluded to the same further up the thread, couldn't really remember if Qube did run trains out of Horsham or not, reckon they may have. No sure what traffic Qube is moving around Horsham ATM.

And the access deal at Dooen, not sure on that one, but have a suspicion that, the Dooen crew were threatened by Qubes interest and wanted to keep them as far away as possible ( my half cocked recollection ).

BigShunter.

Ps; should we send Mike and don to their corners........again....Razz
  Richard stroker Locomotive Driver

Yep , round 2 for mike and don . Very interesting banter .
  Richard stroker Locomotive Driver

I think Qube were running trains out of Horsham when Wimmera container lines had the run of Horsham yard, all containers. Plenty of Qube containers on trucks travelling the western highway.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
I think you will find, that Qube wanted access to or a loading site at the Dooen Hub but the operators didn't want a bar of it and so Qube applied to the council to set up in the out Horsham yard or perhaps they did make a start and load there for a while, then it was decided to close the yard and clean the site up. That was the end of that, probably a good decision, when there is a purpose built site out the road.

As for the rail yard these days, she is stark naked and has been for quite some time, anyhow doesn't matter much, the point being the slightest hurdle with train haulage and the nearest trucking company is waiting rubbing their hands together.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
From a Senior Manager at SCT, I was told that after QUBE was kicked out of Horsham Yard, SCT & QUBE had an agreement that SCT would make slots available to them on the Dooen in exchange for SCT being able to access to QUBE's Altona North Yard. As at the time, SCT didn't have access to Swanson Dock, so they were trucking boxes from SCT to Swanson Dock and return. This agreement remained after SCT gained access to Swanson Dock, although QUBE chose to begin using trucks within a year of SCT gaining access to Swanson Dock as they believed they could save time and money by doing so.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Yep , round 2 for mike and don . Very interesting banter .
Richard stroker
Really they should just get a room and get it over and done with Rolling EyesLaughing
  justarider Assistant Commissioner

Location: Stuck on VR and hoping for better.
I think you will find, that Qube wanted access to or a loading site at the Dooen Hub but the operators didn't want a bar of it and so Qube applied to the council to set up in the out Horsham yard or perhaps they did make a start and load there for a while, then it was decided to close the yard and clean the site up. That was the end of that, probably a good decision, when there is a purpose built site out the road.

As for the rail yard these days, she is stark naked and has been for quite some time, anyhow doesn't matter much, the point being the slightest hurdle with train haulage and the nearest trucking company is waiting rubbing their hands together.

BigShunter.
From a Senior Manager at SCT, I was told that after QUBE was kicked out of Horsham Yard, SCT & QUBE had an agreement that SCT would make slots available to them on the Dooen in exchange for SCT being able to access to QUBE's Altona North Yard. As at the time, SCT didn't have access to Swanson Dock, so they were trucking boxes from SCT to Swanson Dock and return. This agreement remained after SCT gained access to Swanson Dock, although QUBE chose to begin using trucks within a year of SCT gaining access to Swanson Dock as they believed they could save time and money by doing so.
Jack Le Lievre
It seems all the bickering about Dooen is a waste of breath. It's already full.
wimmera-intermodal-freight-terminal-reaches-capacity
time to move on and build another.

cheers
John
  mikesyd Chief Commissioner

Location: Lurking
The adjoining farmer must be grinning.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

This was printed in Sep, 2017.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
This was printed in Sep, 2017.
kitchgp
Good pickup kitchgp, beat me to it. The comments made regarding container numbers in September 2017, comes off the back of a very big harvest, throughout Western Victoria for the 16/17 season.

Very high rainfall throughout the region, so plenty of produce in all departments, however I would say the container volumes would have come back to a more realistic number, the last couple of years.

Some container numbers for the last few years would be of interest, perhaps while bevans is being a roving reporter lately he could give the freight hub a tingle and try and prise some numbers, out of em.

BigShunter.

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