Goulburn derailment

 
  craigfitz1 Train Controller

This has not not had a lot of press, given that it has resulted in a 100% shut down of all trains, both passenger and freight in and out of Goulburn.

https://www.goulburnpost.com.au/story/5983478/derailment-repair-recovery-underway/


It occurred at about 4-15 AM on Sunday morning.

No injuries, but at least one wagon of the Melbourne-Brisbane freighter is completely on its side and another at a jaunty angle.

NSW TrainLink caught completely on the hop, and obviously mass bustitution all day and night (including overnight XPTs already en route).

I was booked on the ex-Griffith service from Junee this morning. That train was cancelled anyway before it even got to Junee due to the usual 'mechanical issues'. Of course it would not have then got that far north anyway with the Goulburn derailment.

Meanwhile, 'emergency' repairs on The Blue Mountains line saw another round of buses all day, including for the Dubbo XPT and for regular intercity trains. And, with complete shutdown on the Illawarra line, (not to mention roadworks around Central), road space was at a premium for the dozens and dozens of buses being used. It was pretty chaotic when I rolled in at 9-00 PM tonight.

To complete TrainLink's woeful Sunday, their website reports 'operational' and 'mechanical' issues delaying both the north and southbound Armidale/Moree services.

If NSW TrainLink was a dog.......... (yes, I know it is not all their fault, but they really can't take a trick as my grandmother used to say).

A bit more trivia for those who are keen to read on:

1. About 11-00 AM today, while waiting for the never-to-arrive train from Griffith, an empty XPT rolled into the platform at Junee, did a reverse job (after some issues with getting the points to set correctly...holding up the level crossing for quite a while), and was put away in the far siding (with engines shut down).
The jovial but no doubt tired overnight crew were still on board, and they emptied out all of the perishable food, which they offered to the hungry and cold passengers waiting at Junee. The remainder, sadly, would have had to be dumped as it would have been out of refrigeration was too long otherwise.
Later on, the crew were seen getting into a station wagon taxi bound for Albury.

2. Oh, and despite being told otherwise over the phone, passengers waiting for the 9-49 AM (ex Griffith) train to Sydney were not given an allocated bus replacement; instead we waited until 3-00 PM and jumped on the XPT replacement bus (with the driver knowing nothing about the Griffith train cancellation, but he let us on anyway...otherwise I guess we'd still be at Junee!

3. The Griffith run out of Sydney on Saturday had a two hour delay at Central due to coupling issues with the Canberra train. They eventually ran it as a separate set via Strathfield and Fairfield, just to add to the unusual nature of the day. But the super friendly crew made  up for a lot of it, and a late train is always better than a bus.

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  craigfitz1 Train Controller

An update regarding the Blue Mountains 'emergency' track repairs.

Despite TrainLink initially being somewhat coy about the actual issue, news reports have leaked out to inform us that there is a rock in danger of falling on to the tracks at Glenbrook; hence the total line closure.


This closure is ongoing and commuters this morning are in for a nasty surprise.

So, that's two major lines, south and west, out of action.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Appreciate the update as I wondered why the trains were not running.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
"It seems to me that the train was too long to get into the yard and derailed on the way out," Mr Price said.

I find the above quote from the Southern Tablelands Rail Users Group is rather interesting.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
"It seems to me that the train was too long to get into the yard and derailed on the way out," Mr Price said.

I find the above quote from the Southern Tablelands Rail Users Group is rather interesting.
Jack Le Lievre
Can anyone with first hand knowledge of the yard in question tell us whether that observation from the Users Group member (probably a Pax organisation but their FB site is down) makes any sense?

BG
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

broken rail is being mentioned in SETS.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Goulburn derailment - a report has it that the train was hauling beer to Qld. They can do with some decent beer.... (and wine).

I hope that all those responsible were subject to a breath test, and the beer was saved.

Wouldn't a train like this be popular in other parts of the country, particularly WA, SA and NT.

In a similar tradition to the Tea and Sugar, call such a train the Beer'n'Nuts....
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
"It seems to me that the train was too long to get into the yard and derailed on the way out," Mr Price said.

I find the above quote from the Southern Tablelands Rail Users Group is rather interesting.
Can anyone with first hand knowledge of the yard in question tell us whether that observation from the Users Group member (probably a Pax organisation but their FB site is down) makes any sense?

BG
BrentonGolding
Whilst the investigation will determine what actually happened, the train was coming out of the UP Refuge at Goulburn onto the Mainline when it derailed.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Goulburn derailment - a report has it that the train was hauling beer to Qld. They can do with some decent beer.... (and wine).
ANR

XXXX Bitter is fine by me...and the Granite Belt produces some good whites and reds as are available on QR long distance trains.

Mike.
  M636C Minister for Railways

"It seems to me that the train was too long to get into the yard and derailed on the way out," Mr Price said.

I find the above quote from the Southern Tablelands Rail Users Group is rather interesting.
Can anyone with first hand knowledge of the yard in question tell us whether that observation from the Users Group member (probably a Pax organisation but their FB site is down) makes any sense?

BG
Whilst the investigation will determine what actually happened, the train was coming out of the UP Refuge at Goulburn onto the Mainline when it derailed.
LowndesJ515

The up refuge is in frequent use, often for loaded grain trains, empty garbage trains and steel trains to allow faster intermodal or passenger trains to overtake. 3930 grain often waits for SP32 Explorer to pass.

It is not long enough for really long trains. I recall a late running MB9 being stowed in the refuge while the locomotives received repairs in order to continue. The two locomotives and the first four vans were detached and stowed on the down main since they wouldn't fit in the refuge.

The north end of the refuge has been resleepered twice in the past few years, initially with wooden sleepers and later with one in four low profile concrete sleepers. One gets the impression that the old trackwork was suffering from the effects of locomotives restarting trains from the same point.

The photos show that the points connecting the refuge to the main had been pushed out of alignment and presumably damaged, but the refuge track back up to the Braidwood Road bridge had been damaged as well. This suggests to me that the derailment may have occurred near the bridge before the refuge points, although it is possible for that track to be damaged by the trailing vehicles piling up on those derailed at the points...

Peter
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
"It seems to me that the train was too long to get into the yard and derailed on the way out," Mr Price said.

I find the above quote from the Southern Tablelands Rail Users Group is rather interesting.
Can anyone with first hand knowledge of the yard in question tell us whether that observation from the Users Group member (probably a Pax organisation but their FB site is down) makes any sense?

BG
BrentonGolding

This is the same guy who has authoritatively told the Goulburn Post that the new XPT replacements trains will be bi-modal.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Goulburn derailment - a report has it that the train was hauling beer to Qld. They can do with some decent beer.... (and wine).

I hope that all those responsible were subject to a breath test, and the beer was saved.

Wouldn't a train like this be popular in other parts of the country, particularly WA, SA and NT.

In a similar tradition to the Tea and Sugar, call such a train the Beer'n'Nuts....
ANR
Can someone orchestrate a Beer,n,nuts minor derailment or extended stoppage, in the Parramatta/Westmead area?

Thanks in advance, Mick.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

This is the same guy who has authoritatively told the Goulburn Post that the new XPT replacements trains will be bi-modal.
bingley hall

bi-model?
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner


This is the same guy who has authoritatively told the Goulburn Post that the new XPT replacements trains will be bi-modal.
bi-model?
bevans
Bi-modal is correct, modal being the adjective relating to mode.

A bi-mode/bi-modal train is one fitted with an electric drivetrain which can take power from either a pantograph or diesel gensets. Run in full electric mode whenever running under the wires, diesel-electric mode outside of electrified areas.

Examples include the B82500 multiple units in France, Stadler FLIRT multiple units in some European countries including the UK, Hitachi Super Express Train (Class 800 and 802 versions) in the UK, Bombardier ALP-45DP locos used in the USA and Canada.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks jap but the comment about the jourmalist did not come from me I was just interested in the bi-model idea.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Thanks jap but the comment about the journalist did not come from me I was just interested in the bi-model idea.
bevans

Settle down...this is a family friendly forum...Smile
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The new NSW regional train to be built by CAF does have bi modal capability. So it is not beyond the realms of possibility since the new trains will be a diesel electric design.

As for Goulburn the talk is that it is either a broken rail or broken wheel. The damage happening before the points.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The new NSW regional train to be built by CAF does have bi modal capability. So it is not beyond the realms of possibility since the new trains will be a diesel electric design.

As for Goulburn the talk is that it is either a broken rail or broken wheel. The damage happening before the points.
simstrain

There is also talk it is neither of these.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

The new NSW regional train to be built by CAF does have bi modal capability. So it is not beyond the realms of possibility since the new trains will be a diesel electric design.
simstrain
The CAF Civity platform can be ordered in a bi-mode configuration, but the units ordered by TfNSW will not have it built in.

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