Work Starts To Get VLocity Trains For The North East Line

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 06 Aug 2018 10:40
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Do V/Line have any out of service N cars they could bring back in?

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  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://Railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1142

An interesting conference paper, which, among other things, goes into some detail about the changes made to the bogies from the base Xplorer design.

Could any of the changes mentioned be impacted by the change to a shorter axle?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

https://Railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1142

An interesting conference paper, which, among other things, goes into some detail about the changes made to the bogies from the base Xplorer design.

Could any of the changes mentioned be impacted by the change to a shorter axle?
potatoinmymouth
Its impossible to say becuase of the compity of the issue, that paper though does give one an idea in how much extra complexity such a simple change in operational requirements can bring and why such a long development time for the SG VLocity's was required.

Excellent article though.

woodford
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Its impossible to say becuase of the compity of the issue, that paper though does give one an idea in how much extra complexity such a simple change in operational requirements can bring and why such a long development time for the SG VLocity's was required.
woodford

That’s what I would have suspected. Thanks anyway woodford.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/more-trains-with-more-space-for-regional-passengers/

Interesting, very unclear what the "Refresh" might involve but presumably removing one toilet form each set is on the cards as that's the key modification in more recent units.

Also pleasing that nine-car operation is at least being mentioned but no timeframe provided of course. "Investigations" shouldn't take long - I could do it in a week with a measuring tape!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/more-trains-with-more-space-for-regional-passengers/

Interesting, very unclear what the "Refresh" might involve but presumably removing one toilet form each set is on the cards as that's the key modification in more recent units.

Also pleasing that nine-car operation is at least being mentioned but no timeframe provided of course. "Investigations" shouldn't take long - I could do it in a week with a measuring tape!
potatoinmymouth
The "extra seating in each carriage" bit is interesting. Surely not 2+3 configuration?

BG
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/more-trains-with-more-space-for-regional-passengers/

Interesting, very unclear what the "Refresh" might involve but presumably removing one toilet form each set is on the cards as that's the key modification in more recent units.

Also pleasing that nine-car operation is at least being mentioned but no timeframe provided of course. "Investigations" shouldn't take long - I could do it in a week with a measuring tape!
The "extra seating in each carriage" bit is interesting. Surely not 2+3 configuration?

BG
BrentonGolding
That caught my attention too.  Squishy if that happens....
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Sorry, I know the answer to this will be in one of many different threads, but where would 9 car operations be deployed?  Geelong and Ballarat id expect as no brainers, anywhere else?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/more-trains-with-more-space-for-regional-passengers/

Interesting, very unclear what the "Refresh" might involve but presumably removing one toilet form each set is on the cards as that's the key modification in more recent units.

Also pleasing that nine-car operation is at least being mentioned but no timeframe provided of course. "Investigations" shouldn't take long - I could do it in a week with a measuring tape!
potatoinmymouth

Also, the refresh will include the replacement of threadbare carpets and seat upholstery as well as the additional hand rails and hanging straps that are over the 'childrens play area' or disabled space for the parking of wheelchairs in Car B.

The automated announcements and presumably the improvements to the dot matrix destination signs that are currently programmed by the drivers and are not always accurate will be an improvement.

The mention of refreshment services on long distance trains and the provision of 9 car trains is also a step forward.

Mike
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/more-trains-with-more-space-for-regional-passengers/

Interesting, very unclear what the "Refresh" might involve but presumably removing one toilet form each set is on the cards as that's the key modification in more recent units.

Also pleasing that nine-car operation is at least being mentioned but no timeframe provided of course. "Investigations" shouldn't take long - I could do it in a week with a measuring tape!

Also, the refresh will include the replacement of threadbare carpets and seat upholstery as well as the additional hand rails and hanging straps that are over the 'childrens play area' or disabled space for the parking of wheelchairs in Car B.

The automated announcements and presumably the improvements to the dot matrix destination signs that are currently programmed by the drivers and are not always accurate will be an improvement.

The mention of refreshment services on long distance trains and the provision of 9 car trains is also a step forward.

Mike
The Vinelander
Good spot Mike. I stand corrected re "placating the union" - now it is placating the union and the travelling public!
  jakar Assistant Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
removing one toilet form each set is on the cards as that's the key modification in more recent units.
potatoinmymouth
My understanding is that the next batch is reverting back to a two toilet configuration. The single toilet units are going to be 'interesting' as a defective toilet means the service will not run.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Lovely glossy stuff Smile
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Lovely glossy stuff Smile
james.au
As one wag remarked when our N class broke down a few weeks back it sure looked great parked in the siding at Gisborne!

All show no go!

BG
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The second video looks like something off MSTS?
  woodford Chief Commissioner
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I find it fascinating that this Government has adopted words used by the Andrews Labour Government (who probably got it from somewhere else).

The number of times i have seen 'getting it done' in a press release has increased significantly from the Feds.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

More info from ARTC...................

https://www.artc.com.au/2019/03/26/north-east-rail-line-upgrade-underway/
woodford
The Faithfulls crk bridge mentioned in the above report, they are doing this weekend is 5.6 kilometres NE of Euroa. Its 200ft long (10 span?) and I assume they are doing the East lines bridge. One cannot get close to this bridge and views from the closet roads are blocked by trees. So I will not be able to see what they are doing.

woodford
  woodford Chief Commissioner

ARTC North-East-Line-Upgrade-Autumn-2019-Newsletter.....................

https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/North-East-Line-Upgrade-Autumn-2019-Newsletter.pdf

woodford
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Hey, this I'm sure is up thread somewhere, but what impact will this have on the XPT timetables?  If they are shortened, would they leave later out of Southern Cross, or shift everything forward for an earlier arrival into Sydney?
  woodford Chief Commissioner

Hey, this I'm sure is up thread somewhere, but what impact will this have on the XPT timetables?  If they are shortened, would they leave later out of Southern Cross, or shift everything forward for an earlier arrival into Sydney?
james.au
The XPT already does 120kph, 130kph running will only save less than 5 minutes between Seymour and Albury.

woodford
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/20.-RAS-Manual-DIRN-section-pages-D53-Albury-to-Somerton-Version-1.8-Master-Copy-V1-1.pdf
Current state of play on the Victorian section. Bearing in mind that doesn't include TSRs. Given the amount of money required to bring it to Class 2 standard it's fascinating ARTC consider it suitable for 130 for a good deal of the length. Perhaps V/Line's reputation for nanny-statism is well-earned.
  woodford Chief Commissioner

https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/20.-RAS-Manual-DIRN-section-pages-D53-Albury-to-Somerton-Version-1.8-Master-Copy-V1-1.pdf
Current state of play on the Victorian section. Bearing in mind that doesn't include TSRs. Given the amount of money required to bring it to Class 2 standard it's fascinating ARTC consider it suitable for 130 for a good deal of the length. Perhaps V/Line's reputation for nanny-statism is well-earned.
potatoinmymouth
Its worth remembering that neither the N set cars or the N class locos have suspension that will handle relatively poor track, where as modern cars (including the XPT) HAVE been designed to handle such track well. THey do this be making the wheels and axles as light as possible (Note 1) so they will follow undulations better and in the process apply LESS force to upset the track.

Note 1: On passenger locos this means the traction motors are mounted on the main frame and drive the axles via carden shafts.

woodford
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
https://www.artc.com.au/uploads/20.-RAS-Manual-DIRN-section-pages-D53-Albury-to-Somerton-Version-1.8-Master-Copy-V1-1.pdf
Current state of play on the Victorian section. Bearing in mind that doesn't include TSRs. Given the amount of money required to bring it to Class 2 standard it's fascinating ARTC consider it suitable for 130 for a good deal of the length. Perhaps V/Line's reputation for nanny-statism is well-earned.
potatoinmymouth

ARTC operates to a different standard to Victoria. IE it has a higher tolerance for lower quality riding comfort than Victoria does. A trip to Albury sitting over the wheels of the XPT will attest to this. The lurching and pitching of the cars at speed is almost comical. Smile

Mike.
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Which is interesting, given that BITRE tells me NSW doesn’t have a track class standard similar to Victoria. That leads me to two questions that watchers of this thread might be able to answer: is this true? If so, how does NSW categorise tracks instead? And second, how old is the Victorian system and how did it originate?

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