2019 Federal Election Thread

 
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
7 runners for Bendigo

12 in the running for Mildura.   Considering the Nationals won last time around with about 67% primary vote, don't think it will be as one-sided this time.
Donald
Is that the seat of Mallee with the former member Andrew Broad 'retiring'?

I wonder how Barnaby will go this time given all that's happened since the by-election... and approving $80 million to buy a water license off a Bahamas-based company that was only valid in times of flood. That decision was very peculiar to say the least.

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
That decision was very peculiar to say the least.
"don_dunstan
So is Barnaby.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Palmer is now running tv ads on Barnaby...

"New Zealander of the Year"

He must have very deeeep pockets...

I don't think poking fun with such ads is warranted , especially with "Watergate"  taking on so much water....
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic

I would argue the many employees are often better off today than in years gone by. Work place is safer, more transparent etc etc.
RTT_Rules
If you think that employees are working in safer and more transparent workplaces, I think you have been living outside of Australia for too long.

I am a Qualified Fitter & Turner and in the machine shop I worked in last year, everyone was being paid the same low wage whether you were a labourer or a machinist, plus everyone was a Casual employee. Safety wasn't high on the priority list as it was "Too extensive", while there a fellow tradesman had the tip of his finger cut off after a bandsaw jammed and even though it was isolated it restarted while it was being cleared. The guy had to have surgery and despite this the owner expected him to be back at work the next day.

This was a place where I was placed by my Job Service Provider, and even though they knew about the low wages and poor safety they said that I didn't have a choice and had to work there otherwise I would be deemed lazy by Centrelink. I have recently moved into another Casual job, but now am in the food industry. I am being paid slightly above the award, but still, those rates haven't changed since 2010.

My oldest brother is a sparky and Electrical Engineer, and since being made redundant about Five years ago, he has worked for about a dozen companies, most of who have "excellent" safety records and policies in place, but it is all lip service. He discovered that a lot of the records had been fudged even after Worksafe had been involved, the Unions weren't allowed to take protected action, as the laws and protections have been eroded. And I am talking about Unions that in the past would have more than likely stood up and taken action.

So, I would say that many employees are not better off than they were at the beginning of this century.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Jack, I believe this is far from uncommon.
Worked for a mob a while back, their OHS manager, was nicknamed "the cleaner" from a movie with Bridgette Fonda. He would clean, cover, sweep under the carpet, et al, all things implicating fault. They had a no LTI (loss time injury) record of three plus years. BS.
I did that in fact require stitches to me kneecap, on one Occassion. And the cleaner asked repeatedly for an explanation, confused when I continued to explain exactly what had occurred. And if I chose to see my own doctor, then sick leave was my only option. And no LTI would be recorded.

As for casualisation, the responsible party is the employer, IE the employment agency.
Open to correction, but I believe zero liability lies with the place of actual employment.
Make any waves with an employment agency, don't expect the phone ringing anytime soon.
Had a verbal agreement with an agency, which was back peddled upon within a week, not by me. Informed them They needed to find someone else. And they did. No interested in dealing with/working for bullsmeggers.

This is called flexibility.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I believe this is far from uncommon.
...
This is called flexibility.
michaelgm
Sadly, too true! I'm not saying anymore, this isn't the place.
  Transtopic Assistant Commissioner

The reality is that in our modern Western Democracy, the rich are becoming richer and the poor, poorer. This is not a recipe for social cohesion and plants the seed for widespread unrest, ultimately leading to revolution, which has happened in the past.  It's happening in France now.  Capital and the elite in society now have the upper hand, but for how long can it last?  It's history repeating itself.  When will they ever learn?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." Throughout history we see the oppressor and oppressed in constant opposition to each other. This fight is sometimes hidden and sometimes open. - the communist manifesto
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
And if I chose to see my own doctor, then sick leave was my only option. And no LTI would be recorded.
michaelgm
This is totally illegal but it goes on all the time; you have every right to see your own doctor for a workplace injury and to lodge a claim but they'll do everything they possibly can to stop you from doing that in case you get the 'wrong' opinion...
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Jack, I believe this is far from uncommon.
Worked for a mob a while back, their OHS manager, was nicknamed "the cleaner" from a movie with Bridgette Fonda. He would clean, cover, sweep under the carpet, et al, all things implicating fault. They had a no LTI (loss time injury) record of three plus years. BS.
I did that in fact require stitches to me kneecap, on one Occassion. And the cleaner asked repeatedly for an explanation, confused when I continued to explain exactly what had occurred. And if I chose to see my own doctor, then sick leave was my only option. And no LTI would be recorded.

As for casualisation, the responsible party is the employer, IE the employment agency.
Open to correction, but I believe zero liability lies with the place of actual employment.
Make any waves with an employment agency, don't expect the phone ringing anytime soon.
Had a verbal agreement with an agency, which was back peddled upon within a week, not by me. Informed them They needed to find someone else. And they did. No interested in dealing with/working for bullsmeggers.

This is called flexibility.
michaelgm
I think most know I work for heavy industry and mining sector for most of my life. The work place has overall become safer and sorry for those who are not in such situation but its the reality. Certainly the companies I've worked over the years had the following
- Contractors and employees fall under one label, FTE

- LTI is now defined as, not able to attend your next scheduled duty and do your task. No more safety videos being driven to work in a taxi BS.

- In the Tasmania mining sector, I was at Queenstown Hospital for non work related injury and asked about the size of the hospital vs the staff. They said from when we used to rountinely injury workers, not needed anymore.

- Removal of safety bonuses as you don't' pay people not to injury themselves

- Dept Mines inspector comes on site doing an unannounced inspection if one of the few times you will see the GM nearly $hit their pants. They walk around issuing fines and warnings where failure to comply risks individual prosecution and jailing, not just slap on the risk to the board.

- A number of major companies have gone from LTI FR using old metrics of dozens or more per year 20 years ago to near zero now. Safety is now has been for sometime, the first topic on top end companies meetings.

As for casualization of the work force, this was discussed some time back, I posted the data showing % has been roughly stagnate for years. Yes a casual workforce is far more flexible, hence why big industry often has a % of workers as contractors and as positions become available they employ higher performing contractors. I worked full time casual myself for 6 years, even borrowed money and bought a house. But yes a lot of bosses have long memories and how hard it is to get rid of bad performers especially in a union environment, my own dad being one of them. However go work for Rio tinto and try to fire someone, forget the govt, you have to get it past HR first.
  9034 Train Controller


I would argue the many employees are often better off today than in years gone by. Work place is safer, more transparent etc etc.If you think that employees are working in safer and more transparent workplaces, I think you have been living outside of Australia for too long.

I am a Qualified Fitter & Turner and in the machine shop I worked in last year, everyone was being paid the same low wage whether you were a labourer or a machinist, plus everyone was a Casual employee. Safety wasn't high on the priority list as it was "Too extensive", while there a fellow tradesman had the tip of his finger cut off after a bandsaw jammed and even though it was isolated it restarted while it was being cleared. The guy had to have surgery and despite this the owner expected him to be back at work the next day.

This was a place where I was placed by my Job Service Provider, and even though they knew about the low wages and poor safety they said that I didn't have a choice and had to work there otherwise I would be deemed lazy by Centrelink. I have recently moved into another Casual job, but now am in the food industry. I am being paid slightly above the award, but still, those rates haven't changed since 2010.

My oldest brother is a sparky and Electrical Engineer, and since being made redundant about Five years ago, he has worked for about a dozen companies, most of who have "excellent" safety records and policies in place, but it is all lip service. He discovered that a lot of the records had been fudged even after Worksafe had been involved, the Unions weren't allowed to take protected action, as the laws and protections have been eroded. And I am talking about Unions that in the past would have more than likely stood up and taken action.

So, I would say that many employees are not better off than they were at the beginning of this century.
Jack Le Lievre
You're a Qualified Fitter and Turner and you used a "Job Service Provider" and if you didn't take the job centrelink would have cut you off?   Why are you on Centre Link at all?

A quick search on Seek,  shows  ~2700 jobs available for Fitters and Turners.  Looks like your skills are in demand!   Don't like your present employer?   Find another one!  They want you!
  9034 Train Controller

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles." Throughout history we see the oppressor and oppressed in constant opposition to each other. This fight is sometimes hidden and sometimes open. - the communist manifesto
Dangersdan707
And the poor  do  so well under communist rule!   Perhaps the people who complain about our present Australian  society should live a while in North Korea or Venezuela.  I hear Cuba is pretty good as well, as long as you are part of the ruling class.
  9034 Train Controller

Looks like the Australian Economy is doing alright.

From the IMF  site.    https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2019/02/15/NA022119-australia-economic-outlook-in-six-charts


  Economic growth in Australia picked up strongly in the first half of 2018, and the economy made further strides in its    adjustment and rebalancing after the end of the mining investment and commodity price boom. Despite strong employment growth and declining unemployment rates, wage growth was low and underemployment still above its longer-term average.

Unemployment rate at  5%.   That is better that the average of OECD countries at https://data.oecd.org/unemp/unemployment-rate.htm

I remember a labor figure saying ( Was is Kym Beazley?)  an unemployment rate of 5% and below   was a pipe dream.  That of course was pre John Howard.

Official interest rates at 1.5%   https://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/cash-rate/

On the site.

The labour market had continued to improve in early 2019, despite the slowing in growth recorded in the national accounts through 2018. Employment had increased a little in February, following strong growth in January, and the unemployment rate had declined to 4.9 per cent, continuing the run of months with an unemployment rate at or around 5 per cent. Other measures of spare capacity, including the underemployment rate and the long-term unemployment rate, had also trended downwards. The participation rate had been relatively stable at a high level over the preceding year or so.

Employment growth over the previous year had been particularly strong in the health care & social assistance, professional services and construction industries. Over the same period, employment-to-population ratios had increased further in New South Wales and Victoria, where unemployment rates had been around historically low levels. Employment-to-population ratios had declined a little in other states more recently. Forward-looking indicators of labour demand had been mixed in recent months. Job advertisements had eased, but job vacancies reported by employers through the ABS survey had increased further as a share of the labour force in February.


All in all,  the economy looks pretty good.    Not happy with it?  Don't  worry  Bull smeg  Bill Shorten will totally stuff it up, if he gets in.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
You're a Qualified Fitter and Turner
"9034"
Fascinating bit of terminology. You can't fit the item (whatever it is) until it's been turned. Turner and Fitter makes more sense to me.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Jack, I believe this is far from uncommon.
Worked for a mob a while back, their OHS manager, was nicknamed "the cleaner" from a movie with Bridgette Fonda. He would clean, cover, sweep under the carpet, et al, all things implicating fault. They had a no LTI (loss time injury) record of three plus years. BS.
I did that in fact require stitches to me kneecap, on one Occassion. And the cleaner asked repeatedly for an explanation, confused when I continued to explain exactly what had occurred. And if I chose to see my own doctor, then sick leave was my only option. And no LTI would be recorded.
michaelgm
Maybe you should have contacted Worksafe or similar Gov agency and get them to do a surprise walk-through.   Would have shaken the boss/OHS manager a bit.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Looks like the Australian Economy is doing alright.

From the IMF  site.    https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2019/02/15/NA022119-australia-economic-outlook-in-six-charts


  Economic growth in Australia picked up strongly in the first half of 2018, and the economy made further strides in its    adjustment and rebalancing after the end of the mining investment and commodity price boom. Despite strong employment growth and declining unemployment rates, wage growth was low and underemployment still above its longer-term average.
9034
Hello, Liberal Party shill. Let's have a little chat about the economy then...

You've used some extremely selective measures here to try and say the LNP have done a stand-up job. In a nutshell, public and private debt is exploding - we actually have a Keynesian economy in Australia now where the government is responsible for taxing and spending into a fake prosperity. We have 1.3 million people at universities in 2019 - if the government stopped funding HELP and ended the possibility of residency we'd probably have a third or a quarter of that. Similarly about 1 million plus under-employed, in fact nearly half the part-timers 20-24 years old are under-employed.

Unemployment is a measure of nothing but the most under-occupied and unemploy-able in Australia, there's millions more who are not in the work-force or under-employed and they're (gasp!) dragging living standards down, how dare they, how un-Australian!
Official interest rates at 1.5%   https://www.rba.gov.au/statistics/cash-rate/
9034

It's very curious that you're shilling this point since Joe Hockey (surely the most intelligent Liberal Party front-bencher in recent memory) himself said that the extremely low interest rates that they were about to inherit from the failing Rudd government was a sure fire sign of how buggered the economy was.

Yet fast-forward to 2019 at the end of six years of totally dismal non-leadership from what surely must be one of the worst governments we've ever had and SURPRISE! Super low interest rates are suddenly funky like bell-bottoms and Brill-Cream again and (as Howard said) interest rates will be even lower under a Liberal government, you can be sure.

So is it really wonderful that we're about to spiral into deflation or really bad... I can't tell...
All in all, the economy looks pretty good. Not happy with it? Don't worry Bull smeg Bill Shorten will totally stuff it up, if he gets in.
9034
It will be absoultely no different, if anything the Labor Party has perfected the art of sucking up to the Chinese Communist Party so perhaps that'll delay a fall-out with them.

Otherwise I really don't expect things to be any different under a Shorten government other than things like the possibility of helicopter money which will probably happen under Morrison if he gets re-elected anyway.

By the way I'm not convinced Shorten will win the election, I think there's problems with the volatility of the electorate that are very hard to predict as per Brexit and Trump. Also I'd really like to see how the LNP will react to the coming financial crisis, it would be worth it just to see what they do.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Maybe you should have contacted Worksafe or similar Gov agency and get them to do a surprise walk-through.   Would have shaken the boss/OHS manager a bit.
Donald
I was roustabouting in a stinking hot shearing shed one day in Western VIC when a WorkCover inspector (or whatever they were then) walked through and told a shearer that fan blades he'd attached to overhead gear shaft were illegal and he'd have to take them down. The shearer told him he'd have to take them down himself and the inspector just walked on and out to his air-conditioned VL Commodore and drove off...

EDIT: No, it was a white VN, like state governments everywhere used to buy in those days...
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Looks like PUP and coalition have done a preference deal.

How can you spend $50mil dissing the govt, and then turn around to do a preference deal?

Who is next? ONP?
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
You're a Qualified Fitter and Turner and you used a "Job Service Provider" and if you didn't take the job centrelink would have cut you off?   Why are you on Centre Link at all?

A quick search on Seek,  shows  ~2700 jobs available for Fitters and Turners.  Looks like your skills are in demand!   Don't like your present employer?   Find another one!  They want you!
9034
My Brother is a Fitter Turner/Machinst (and I understand a bloody good one based on past jobs), he picks his jobs. Never been unemployed, hasn't had anything less than a 6 figure salary with Shift allowance for decades. If the company he is working for is closing, he doesn't even get a week off between jobs as he's frequently being called by post bosses for work.

No silver spoon for him and he had to make some self funded decisions early on to get the step up that he was chasing.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Don,
Like it or not, the Australian economy is one of the better in the developed world and even doing better than many of the previously rapidly growing emerging BRIC markets, many of which have gone quiet or even backwards

The wage stagnation is as stated before, payback for excessive wage rises of the past, low interest rates, near zero inflation (seriously inflation is 0% and people expect an inflationary pay rise?) and debt reduction of western govts. The wage stagnation over recent years has probably protected numerous jobs from competition OS. I'm expecting Q2 to Q3 to potentially show some deflation which gives a defacto wage rise.

The LNP have not done a lot of things right starting with allowing MT to wreck the govt under Abbott and then reward him with PM, but they will at least leave a balance balance sheet (again), something the Red team cannot claim for decades and the last one was given to them on a silver plate and they couldn't sustain it. Yes it took them 6 years to do it, but the country was bleeding $35Bpa at the start with a rapidly cooling economy and they managed to do it without inflicting the pain of a recession. Go back to the 90's and the time to a balanced budget from a much better position was not a lot less.

While the polls are all pointing for a LNP win, however they are unlikely to win in mid May, rather July/August (obviously too late) unless ScoMO pulls something out of his Ar$e at the last minute.

While most expect ALP to win and the LNP are not deserving of a win based on past internal fighting issues, the issue for the ALP and their supporters is that BS is one very unpopular opposition leader and as PM history shows this is unlikely to improve and hence it is very much likely that Australia will again not see a PM go to back to back election, again if the support for the LNP continues to improve over the next 2 years!

The biggest economic challenge for the ALP this time will be to demonstrate they can actually operate the economy within its means as unlike last time they don't have a zero debt position to go running off to China to fill the gaps. The current debt interest bill would fund the Inland project every year a few times over.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Why is the GFC conveniently ignored? It blighted the 2007 - 2013 Labor Government. Most Western economies are only now recovering from its effects.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

If Italy goes bust, it will take the Euro zone down with it, and a swathe of banking lenders will suddenly find themselves with negative equity. It will make the GFC look like a picnic.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It's interesting to see the ALP potentially trashing their environmental credentials:
https://reneweconomy.com.au/labor-accused-of-refashioning-naif-into-gas-fuelled-carbon-disaster-58866/

Especially at the same time as the renewable energy industry faces collapse in Australia:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-26/renewable-energy-investment-maybe-heading-from-boom-to-bust/11041964
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Don,
Like it or not, the Australian economy is one of the better in the developed world and even doing better than many of the previously rapidly growing emerging BRIC markets, many of which have gone quiet or even backwards
RTT_Rules
Shane, you start arguing that the Aussie economy is better than it looks and then you devote several paragraphs telling us all the pitfalls. Living standards are actually going backwards in Australia, it's a point of conversation that we've had before and something that you yourself have admitted will make us more internationally 'competitive'.

I don't know how inflation can officially be zero when my gas and electricity have gone through the roof and will go up even more; my gas provider recently let me know that my $ per MJ rate was going up next month along with the daily supply rate, seems like those kinds of things are going up every few months and yet official wages growth in the private sector is less than 1%. People are getting squeezed in a super-low interest rate environment by costs and the fact is that many people's real wages have shrunk while their living costs go up all the time.

Speaking of that, my Premier Steve Marshall is about to sign a contract for the construction of a huge transmission line to NSW at a cost of around $3 billion and that's projected to increase my already world-beating electricity charges by another 20%. I'm not made of money, that's spending that we (and every other South Australian household) will have to cut from elsewhere. Utilities are a 21st century outrage - it was pretty cold in Adelaide last night but our house is not turning on the heater until 1st of May to try and save money; it's like living in the Soviet Union when electricity is such a luxury. What an outrage in a country with virtually limitless gas, coal and uranium - how corrupt have our politicians become where they've allowed this to happen to the Aussie people?

Whoever gets elected I don't expect this situation to change, they're both fully captured by the cartels that run this country - the only real difference is that Labor are going to embark on a huge government spending campaign if they win office, $1,000,000,000,000 to convert the entire nation to fully renewable resources by 2030 - it'll make the (to date) enormous cost of the NBN look like a fart in the bath.
The biggest economic challenge for the ALP this time will be to demonstrate they can actually operate the economy within its means as unlike last time they don't have a zero debt position to go running off to China to fill the gaps. The current debt interest bill would fund the Inland project every year a few times over.
RTT_Rules
Neither side have any solution whatsoever to fix that problem; the LNP managed to double national debt in the space of six years - their record on deficit spending is terrible. Labor will be even worse, they're looking to really fire up the Keynesian debt machine quite unashamedly.

Banana Constitutional Monarchy here we come...
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Why is the GFC conveniently ignored? It blighted the 2007 - 2013 Labor Government. Most Western economies are only now recovering from its effects.
kitchgp
No one is, but it didn't magically finish in 2013, it was mostly over in Australia by 2011-2012 when unemployment achieved similar levels of today.

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