Tangara Technology Upgrade

 
  C3765 Train Controller

Very exciting news! T72 and T106 have finally finished being upgraded and have started testing on the network.

The upgraded Tangaras:

-Have new LCD passenger information displays just like the B Sets. While they were testing it had “Welcome aboard” followed by the Sydney Trains logo displayed. (In Colour) There are two upstairs, two downstairs, and one on each end of the vestibule where they used to have the Tangara builder plate.

-Have fold up seats for customers in wheelchairs

-Have DVA to go with the displays

-Don’t have new seats. They remain the same, Ex G Sets still have the tall, reversible seats while the T Sets still have the fixed seating.

-Seemed to have upgraded lighting

-Can still operate in 4 Car formation, so they are not permanent 8 Car Sets.

-might have a new destination board, I couldn’t see it so it was either turned off or still broken.

-Have Security Cameras in the same location as the Waratahs.

-Have push button operated doors

-Have covered up the small hole above the doors (Already completed on all Tangara sets).

There could be more features which I have missed, if so please let me know.

The rest of the Tangara fleet will slowly be receiving the upgrade. Due to the delay of the upgrade, an extra 8 Car Tangara will be pulled out off service so that they can upgrade 4 x 4Ts at a time to accelerate the program.  The roster for the 8 Car Tangara will be temporarily run by an 8 Car A Set, an 8 Car B Set will run for the 8 Car A Set (Run 86), an 8 Car K Set will run for the 8 Car B Set (Run 7) and 2 x4Car S Sets will run for the 2 x 4Car K Sets on the Olympic Park Line (Run L1/L2). After T72 and T106 enter service another 8 Car Tangara will be taken off to join the other 8 Car Tangara (4x4T), this will continue until all the T Sets have recieved the upgrade.

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  C3765 Train Controller

Forgot to mention the Tangaras will also have:

-New gang ways

-Red courtesy seats

-Maybe the capacity measurement devices like the A and B Sets have

-More railing (They no longer have the small butt rest next to the wall)

-New Pantographs

-New Airconditioning

-New guard controls

-New Emergency Help Points where the butt rest used to be

-Same or if not better PIDs as the B Sets

Would’ve been better if they replaced the fixed seating with Waratah seating.

They are now better than the A Sets in almost every way
  C3765 Train Controller

They actually may be permanently 8 Cars, the 1st and last cars have new Waratah style controls while 5th and 4th cars still retain their old controls.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

When do we see them in passenger service? and will they have external desto boards?
  LividMilkTea Beginner

Saw T106 out at Blacktown Platform 7 today, can confirm that most features mentioned here are there.

However I have my doubts about the controls thing since T106 was being tested alone rather than being coupled to T72. It would seem more logical for either both ends of the 4 car sets to have new controls or neither having it. Reason being the Tangara sets are always changing and can always change the 4 car ends that are in the middle to the outer facing end. ImI not sure about the maintenance cycle but having an odd 4 car set with half new controls and half old going up and down the South Coast is stupid.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

LividMilkTea did you see an external desto board working? it would be ironic not to have them since the T's were the first sets to have them!
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Waste of money. New NIF sets would have better served as replacements... at a fraction of the cost.
  LividMilkTea Beginner

Saw T106+T72 with T106 leading towards Emu Plains at Rooty Hill at around 18:36, unfortunately the destos did not seem to be turned on. (I was speeding past on W568 though)

Clear indication that they're testing the trains as both a 4 car set and an 8 car set, so sensibility says that controls should be either all old or all new.

Edit: I have seen ONE Tangara set with working destos before, albeit very faint. (It said Cronulla, not the one that was permanently going to Dapto). This was the version with the four digits on the side that would've allowed the run number to be shown as well.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

LividMilkTea I meant new ones, like the bugs, oscars and waratahs. everyone knows how sucessful they were. After these upgrades, do you think T69 will still go to Dapto?
  LividMilkTea Beginner

Haha I know you meant the new ones, unfortunately it's really not my day today for this refreshed Tangara so I'll try my luck another time.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

Haha I know you meant the new ones, unfortunately it's really not my day today for this refreshed Tangara so I'll try my luck another time.
LividMilkTea
Alright mate. misread your earlier reply, sorry about that:oops:

One more question and then i'll stop bugging you - how do you know where the trains test?
  LividMilkTea Beginner

Haha I know you meant the new ones, unfortunately it's really not my day today for this refreshed Tangara so I'll try my luck another time.
Alright mate. misread your earlier reply, sorry about that:oops:

One more question and then i'll stop bugging you - how do you know where the trains test?
SupremeLeaderSmeagol
Here's my secret... I don't. I was simply lucky enough to see it twice its 4 car and 8 car formation when going up and down the mountains.

But I have noticed that AnyTrip seems to have logged the test train as one of those 'OCCP' ones (not sure what it stands for), theres always few of those around during trackwork, but one might be the new Tangara.

Good luck.
  C3765 Train Controller

I can confirm that the sets do have new indicator boards, similar to the ones on the A Sets and B Sets. Footage of the features mentioned above can be seen in this video:



https://youtu.be/OJ318zYdJD4
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

It is good to see they have destos
But are they 'Bug style or Waratah Style?
They look Waratah, but I'm not too sure
  C3765 Train Controller

But are they 'Bug style or Waratah Style?
SupremeLeaderSmeagol
I said:
I can confirm that the sets do have new indicator boards, similar to the ones on the A Sets and B Sets. Footage of the features mentioned above can be seen in this video:
C3765
A and B Sets are Waratahs, so to answer your question, they will have Waratah Style destination boards. In the video they do not display any actual destinations but show orange lines going across the length of the board indicating that there are indeed new destination boards. Over the next few weeks, we can expect the to start testing the destination board. Maybe displaying “Train Under Test” for a start.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Are these trains actually safe? What was the outcome of the inquiry into the waterfall accident with respect to future train design?

What about that metal rail that came through the floor on the Eastern Subs line? What was that all about?

Is there any in-carriage CCTV ( I may have missed something in the posts). This is a real issue because the Tangaras were a target for vandals.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Are these trains actually safe? What was the outcome of the inquiry into the waterfall accident with respect to future train design?

What about that metal rail that came through the floor on the Eastern Subs line? What was that all about?

Is there any in-carriage CCTV ( I may have missed something in the posts). This is a real issue because the Tangaras were a target for vandals.
ANR
The waterfall set was actually a unique set. The dead man system was upgraded post waterfall and this upgrade completely replaces the old layout with a more modern and reliable solution.

The metal rail was not an issue with the carriage as much as a piece of metal came free from an external source and fouled the train. The door panels that got vandalised have been replaced with new doors and what can you really do about the scum that are vandals.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

I am not finding this reassuring, Sims.

A metal bar rips into the cabin without warning. Too much glass not protecting pax adequately against a cliff face/cutting etc

I haven't caught these trains in a long time.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I am not finding this reassuring, Sims.

A metal bar rips into the cabin without warning. Too much glass not protecting pax adequately against a cliff face/cutting etc

I haven't caught these trains in a long time.
ANR
Mate. You are just a foaming troll.
  C3765 Train Controller

The Tangaras will be much safer after they receive the upgrade as they will have new or upgraded safety features. The Tangaras will have new CCTV Cameras (6 on each carriage in same locations as A, B, M and H Sets), ATP (Automatic Train Protection) and updated Emergency Help Points.
  SupremeLeaderSmeagol Junior Train Controller

How long will it take to do all Tangaras?
  sunnyyan Station Master

Interesting that they were running separately as the plan was to make them in semi-permanent 8-car sets, with some controls retained in the middle cars for shunting purposes. Perhaps they were testing these controls?
  matthewg Train Controller

The Tangaras will be much safer after they receive the upgrade as they will have new or upgraded safety features. The Tangaras will have new CCTV Cameras (6 on each carriage in same locations as A, B, M and H Sets), ATP (Automatic Train Protection) and updated Emergency Help Points.
C3765
CCTV itself does not make a train 'safer'. Just allows 'forensics' after the event. I suspect most 'bad guys' don't consider the cameras at all when considering a crime. If they do, they will just wear hoodies or cover the cameras.

The original Tangara control systems had provision for ATP. One was even fitted for testing during the first ATP trials.

The 'technology upgrade' is about replacing parts and systems that are starting to get difficult to get spare parts for, or are getting increasingly unreliable with age.
  C3765 Train Controller

The 'technology upgrade' is about replacing parts and systems that are starting to get difficult to get spare parts for, or are getting increasingly unreliable with age.
matthewg
Forgot to mention that, that’s another reason why the Tangaras are going be safer after the upgrade. A train with newer and more reliable technology will minimise faults and mechanical problems that could lead to a incident.
  C3765 Train Controller

I saw the upgraded Tangaras today and the middle two Motor cars did indeed retain its old controls. I believe after the upgrade all Tangaras will be semi permanent sets and the old controls will only be needed when the rear or front four cars need to detach and couple with a different 4-Cars. The OSCars will probably take over all 4-Car Tangara rosters on the South Coast when they come down to Suburban use so the new NIF Sets might replace the OSCars on the CCN line before replacing the V Sets.

Also the destination boards were working and displaying destinations. Here’s some footage of it testing today, I found on Instagram. Not my videos and photos.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx63U54HiLj/?igshid=jpw92jwqc7y5

Displaying “Bondi Junction” on its desto.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bx64EGvnzaf/?igshid=1xakrd6lp7aeu

Displaying “Bankstown” on its desto.

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