2019 budget will commit $100 million to extend Melbourne's Metro train network

 
  chomper Junior Train Controller

https://www.9news.com.au/national/melbourne-metro-trains-extended-in-budget/88b92996-09e7-4dab-8831-815895c3db34

Looks like the government wants to get the ball rolling on the Western Rail Plan.

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  slowcoach Junior Train Controller

https://www.9news.com.au/national/melbourne-metro-trains-extended-in-budget/88b92996-09e7-4dab-8831-815895c3db34

Looks like the government wants to get the ball rolling on the Western Rail Plan.
chomper
My checklist for the Western Rail Plan
- 2 or 4 extra platforms at Sunshine (possibly underground)
- 2 extra tracks from Sunshine to Melton & Wyndham Vale
- Which stations would get 2 extra platforms? -- Tarneit, Wyndham Vale, Ardeer, Deer Park, Caroline Springs, Cobblebank, Rockbank, Melton
- Wonder if this is integrated with the 3 level crossing removals on the Ballarat Line?
- Business case for electrification of the Ballarat and Geelong lines for high-speed electric trains similar to UK's, France's, Japan's and China's high-speed electric trains.
- Preparation for the western section of the Suburban Rail Loop
- Stabling yard besides the Geelong Line after the Deer Park west junction
- Preparation for the Melbourne Airport Rail Link at Sunshine and Albion
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

https://www.9news.com.au/national/melbourne-metro-trains-extended-in-budget/88b92996-09e7-4dab-8831-815895c3db34

Looks like the government wants to get the ball rolling on the Western Rail Plan.
My checklist for the Western Rail Plan
- 2 or 4 extra platforms at Sunshine (possibly underground)
- 2 extra tracks from Sunshine to Melton & Wyndham Vale
- Which stations would get 2 extra platforms? -- Tarneit, Wyndham Vale, Ardeer, Deer Park, Caroline Springs, Cobblebank, Rockbank, Melton
- Wonder if this is integrated with the 3 level crossing removals on the Ballarat Line?
- Business case for electrification of the Ballarat and Geelong lines for high-speed electric trains similar to UK's, France's, Japan's and China's high-speed electric trains.
- Preparation for the western section of the Suburban Rail Loop
- Stabling yard besides the Geelong Line after the Deer Park west junction
- Preparation for the Melbourne Airport Rail Link at Sunshine and Albion
slowcoach
1. I'm hoping the Gov looks into bi-mode trains like the class 800/802 in the UK. Bi-mode electric/diesel allows for a sustainable program of electrification, whilst allowing same train service to Warrnambool + Ararat.

2. VLP currently building a stabling (and future maitenance facility) at WV station on the north/west side.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Official announcenment

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/getting-on-with-the-western-rail-plan/
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
2025 completed.  Am I reading this right in that there is no plan to connect Werribee with WV in this plan?
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

2025 completed.  Am I reading this right in that there is no plan to connect Werribee with WV in this plan?
bevans


*Potential* dependant on SRL. Still unclear as to how WV and Melton intergrate with either MM1 or the Western Section of the SRL/Airport Rail.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
New Sunshine to CBD would have to be a tunnel?
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Good pickup today.

If sunshine will be a super centre I hope they are building 2 Sg platforms for access.

A link from Werribee to the RFR should be a priority to remove crowding to the city on V/Line.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Good pickup today.

If sunshine will be a super centre I hope they are building 2 Sg platforms for access.

A link from Werribee to the RFR should be a priority to remove crowding to the city on V/Line.
freightgate
What? you think the overland is going to be stopping there!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

1. I'm hoping the Gov looks into bi-mode trains like the class 800/802 in the UK. Bi-mode electric/diesel allows for a sustainable program of electrification, whilst allowing same train service to Warrnambool + Ararat.
John.Z
Bi-mode configured orders of the CAF Civity would be a good option.

The platform is far more mature and far more versatile than the Hitachi AT300 (British classes 800/801/802) which was a bespoke design for Britain and does not yet have any orders for other places. In addition to that, this also provides a strategic opportunity to get NSW and Victoria using the same platform, allowing for a greater inventory of spares to be held in Australia and a larger concentration of expertise.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

RPV has said the first completed project will go into MM1. This is not permanent, it’s about using capacity provided by MM1 until MARL is complete. Melton or WV could be done around 2024/25, MARL is not expected until 2027.

Expect a programme of works over the coming years and multiple service changes as projects start to come online. The final picture of what service will use what route to the city will not be know if sometime.

MM1
MARL
Melton Spark
WV Spark
HSR Geelong/spark
HSR Ballarat/spark
Werribee Connection
SRL

The west is getting on onslaught of transport projects over the next decade.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

I would assume RPV is referring to the Melton spark going into the MM1, it's shown in the business case of the MM1 of a potential Melton spark able to use the capacity of the tunnel.

By 2025: (confirmed)
The Metro Tunnel opens
The Melton line is electrified
The Cranbourne line duplicated
Pakenham level crossings removed
Deer Park level crossings removed

By 2027-30: (hopefully)
SRL South Eastern section complete
Airport Rail Link opens
Wyndham line electrified
Werribee connection
Ballarat line is fully duplicated

By 2050: (I'm dreaming a little too hard)
Geelong/Ballarat High-Speed Rail
SRL completion
MM2 completion
All the level crossings are removed
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
I would assume RPV is referring to the Melton spark going into the MM1, it's shown in the business case of the MM1 of a potential Melton spark able to use the capacity of the tunnel.
True Believers
That is not what they are referring to. As Lockie says, the line that initially uses the Metro Tunnel alongside the Sunbury Line will be whichever from Western Rail is completed first, whether that is Melton or Wyndham Vale. This does not mean it will always be that line using Metro Tunnel. They do not yet know what order they will be coming online - that is the purpose of this planning.
  electric Chief Train Controller

Location: Ist mir egal
I would assume RPV is referring to the Melton spark going into the MM1, it's shown in the business case of the MM1 of a potential Melton spark able to use the capacity of the tunnel.
That is not what they are referring to. As Lockie says, the line that initially uses the Metro Tunnel alongside the Sunbury Line will be whichever from Western Rail is completed first, whether that is Melton or Wyndham Vale. This does not mean it will always be that line using Metro Tunnel. They do not yet know what order they will be coming online - that is the purpose of this planning.
TOQ-1
Given that this is the Transport department's job - why are we doing planning this now when the burning need has been established for so long? Is this a case of a department with a tiny imagination, or some assumption that there would never be enough city capacity to support these projects and they wouldn't happen any time soon?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A somewhat associated announcement, but big signalling changes etc for the Sunbury line.  $2 billion seems like a lot of money:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-27/victorian-budget-2019/11151642

"In a Budget dominated by the commitments Labor made during the state election campaign, one fresh announcement is $2 billion to upgrade the Sunbury line to enable higher-capacity trains to run on one of Melbourne's busiest lines."
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

That sounds like bunkum, which appears to confirm the theory that the $2b promised by Shorten was for cost overruns on the Metro Tunnel. That $2b is for platform lengthening and traction power upgrades to enable HCMT running to Sunbury - which should have been in the Metro Tunnel project scope in the first place...
  tayser Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
10 new E-Class trams $163m (includes upgrades to Z-class apparently).
Cranbourne duplication: $750 million.
We also geta pricetag for the 25 extra level crossings: $6.6 billion

More from that ABC article on Sunbury:

Platforms will be extended at 10 stations on the line.
The Government says the upgrade will create room for an extra 113,000 passengers to travel on the line during peak times every week.
Accessibility upgrades will also be made at eight of those stations to make it easier for people in wheelchairs to board.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
That sounds like bunkum, which appears to confirm the theory that the $2b promised by Shorten was for cost overruns on the Metro Tunnel. That $2b is for platform lengthening and traction power upgrades to enable HCMT running to Sunbury - which should have been in the Metro Tunnel project scope in the first place...
potatoinmymouth

I agree it is not really metro works rather metro tunnel works.  With the $100m for electrification to Ballarat and Geelong where would you complete the electrification to?  I am suggesting for Ballarat it would be Wendouree including the Ballarat Eqast workshops.

Geelong would be Marshall and the new branch to Armstrong Creek?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

10 new E-Class trams $163m (includes upgrades to Z-class apparently).
Cranbourne duplication: $750 million.
We also geta pricetag for the 25 extra level crossings: $6.6 billion

More from that ABC article on Sunbury:

Platforms will be extended at 10 stations on the line.
The Government says the upgrade will create room for an extra 113,000 passengers to travel on the line during peak times every week.
Accessibility upgrades will also be made at eight of those stations to make it easier for people in wheelchairs to board.
tayser
Sunbury line definitely needs capacity upgrades.  And it still has to squeeze in Bendigo V/line services as well.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner


I agree it is not really metro works rather metro tunnel works.  With the $100m for electrification to Ballarat and Geelong where would you complete the electrification to?  I am suggesting for Ballarat it would be Wendouree including the Ballarat Eqast workshops.

Geelong would be Marshall and the new branch to Armstrong Creek?
bevans
Waurn Ponds most likely or even Colac if being ambitious.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

The transport goodies are located in budget paper 4, pages 162 and beyond.

https://budget.vic.gov.au/budget-papers

It looks like it is going to be a big 12 months of ribbon cutting. With a lot of projects finishing up in Q2 2019/20 - Early next year. The government can be seen to be delivering projects with out splashing that much new cash.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
New Sunshine to CBD would have to be a tunnel?
bevans
West Footscray to Sunshine, you would expect new tracks to be mostly surface (using some of the little used Tottenham yard)
  Black Board Station Staff

A somewhat associated announcement, but big signalling changes etc for the Sunbury line.  $2 billion seems like a lot of money:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-27/victorian-budget-2019/11151642

"In a Budget dominated by the commitments Labor made during the state election campaign, one fresh announcement is $2 billion to upgrade the Sunbury line to enable higher-capacity trains to run on one of Melbourne's busiest lines."
Carnot
I find this comment in the media report amusing...…...'Sunbury..............one of Melbourne's busiest lines'...…..

It may be busy during the morning and afternoon peaks however must have the title of the worst off-peak service offering during the remainder of the daylight hours.

Why has Sunbury not had services increased to a 20 minute service (up from 40 minutes off-peak daytime), with 10 minute services to Watergardens to bring it into line with other Metro lines??
  CraigieburnLineUser Locomotive Fireman


Why has Sunbury not had services increased to a 20 minute service (up from 40 minutes off-peak daytime), with 10 minute services to Watergardens to bring it into line with other Metro lines??
Black Board

It's really stupid that Sunbury hasn't gone to 20 minutes off Peak. They also need to rationalise the stopping patterns. On the 10 minute services, they definitely need to expand it more. Craigieburn (or at least Broadmeadows) is another line that could also use an off peak upgrade.
  ptvcommuter Train Controller

Cragieburn, Werribee, Mernda and Sandringham Lines could do with a 10 Minute all day Frequency alongside the Sunbury Line

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