2019/20 Vic State Budget - Winners and Losers

 
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
What do you mean there are only 2 PN BG intermodal trains, the bubble and Tocumwal services
Dangersdan707
Pretty much.

QUBE took over the Maryvale a few years back, the Fruity was converted to the demon gauge, and there hasn't been much else for quite a few years now.

That only leaves PN with the steel train, the 2 intermodals to Warrnambool and Tocumwal and whatever grain they can keep out of SSR & Qube's hands.

No surprise they've been scrapping so many of their ancient broad gauge locos.

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  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
No surprise there, the 3 broad gauge freighters that PN still operate are all subsidised. Probably about the only reason they are still operating them.
Gman_86
Id almost gaurantee without the subsidy there'd be no BG container freight in Victoria at all.....

Pity they cannot access SG fleets which are cheaper and have more competition...
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
No surprise there, the 3 broad gauge freighters that PN still operate are all subsidised. Probably about the only reason they are still operating them.
Id almost gaurantee without the subsidy there'd be no BG container freight in Victoria at all.....

Pity they cannot access SG fleets which are cheaper and have more competition...
james.au
Qube Maryvale? Theres Competition with BG alright its just you can't be picky. It reality it should be run by the government not cashed up corporations like PN
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

No surprise there, the 3 broad gauge freighters that PN still operate are all subsidised. Probably about the only reason they are still operating them.
Id almost gaurantee without the subsidy there'd be no BG container freight in Victoria at all.....

Pity they cannot access SG fleets which are cheaper and have more competition...
Qube Maryvale? Theres Competition with BG alright its just you can't be picky. It reality it should be run by the government not cashed up corporations like PN
Dangersdan707
I think James was referring to "general goods" rather than containerised bulk, which the Maryvale essentially falls into along with the Deni rice (though possibly not for long there). Oh, and of course the new "make hay while the sun shines" service.

But you're both right to an extent. In the current regulatory context, unsubsidised BG freight is unviable. And I have long argued that heavily subsidised operations, like those being discussed here, should be operated by the government directly to maximise the use of the dwindling asset pool, and to capitalise on opportunities for other "public interest" services that might not be economically viable in the traditional sense.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
I think James was referring to "general goods" rather than containerised bulk, which the Maryvale essentially falls into along with the Deni rice (though possibly not for long there). Oh, and of course the new "make hay while the sun shines" service.

But you're both right to an extent. In the current regulatory context, unsubsidised BG freight is unviable. And I have long argued that heavily subsidised operations, like those being discussed here, should be operated by the government directly to maximise the use of the dwindling asset pool, and to capitalise on opportunities for other "public interest" services that might not be economically viable in the traditional sense.
potatoinmymouth
IDK I think there are lots of graintainers alongside milk, wine, paper on these trains.

Not sure i agree with VicGovt running these trains, though hey, they're about to have a bunch of N Class to repurpose...
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
I think James was referring to "general goods" rather than containerised bulk, which the Maryvale essentially falls into along with the Deni rice (though possibly not for long there). Oh, and of course the new "make hay while the sun shines" service.

But you're both right to an extent. In the current regulatory context, unsubsidised BG freight is unviable. And I have long argued that heavily subsidised operations, like those being discussed here, should be operated by the government directly to maximise the use of the dwindling asset pool, and to capitalise on opportunities for other "public interest" services that might not be economically viable in the traditional sense.
IDK I think there are lots of graintainers alongside milk, wine, paper on these trains.

Not sure i agree with VicGovt running these trains, though hey, they're about to have a bunch of N Class to repurpose...
james.au
and they already have 4 spare A class and 2 BG P class not doing much
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/fears-caulfield-to-rowville-tram-link-on-ice-20190528-p51rz6.html
True Believers

It definitely doesn't hurt to keep the Andrews government on its toes regards its various PT election promises.

Mike.

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