Daytime tram testing in Sydney's CBD poses new risk for pedestrians

 

News article: Daytime tram testing in Sydney's CBD poses new risk for pedestrians

With daytime testing of trams along Sydney’s CBD spine just weeks away, the tens of thousands of pedestrians who cross George Street every day are being warned they will need to take extra care.

  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
I wonder whether the regulators will limit the speed in George Street to 6km/hr, and insist that a person in a high-viz should walk ahead of the tram ringing a bell.

Stevenson would be proud.

Daytime tram testing in Sydney's CBD poses new risk for pedestrians

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  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
I wonder who will be the first to be head down over the mobile phone, oblivious to the surroundings, and get cleaned up by the tram.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I'm not sure it will be such a big deal in Sydney. It's not like Sydney hasn't had this issue in the form of buses and cars before. We also already have the existing light rail and so our heads should already be up.

Neither Canberra or the Gold Coast have had this issue before hand.
  Goose13 Station Master

Location: Having a sook about Southern cross's western wall
So how many people should be dying on Bourke st every year then?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
So how many people should be dying on Bourke st every year then?
"Goose13"
Not many - we grew up with trams.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
We have had instances of people going under articulated buses in Sydney while the bus was turning.

So a large moving public transport vehicle can be difficult for (stupid) Sydney people to avoid if they are preoccupied with texting or social media.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm not sure it will be such a big deal in Sydney. It's not like Sydney hasn't had this issue in the form of buses and cars before. We also already have the existing light rail and so our heads should already be up.

Neither Canberra or the Gold Coast have had this issue before hand.
simstrain
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/5993010/man-hit-by-canberra-tram-while-walking-through-intersection/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-12/compilation-video-of-near-misses-with-canberras/10996924
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
We have had instances of people going under articulated buses in Sydney while the bus was turning.

So a large moving public transport vehicle can be difficult for (stupid) Sydney people to avoid if they are preoccupied with texting or social media.
SinickleBird
You can only do so much to protect people from themselves.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I'm not sure it will be such a big deal in Sydney. It's not like Sydney hasn't had this issue in the form of buses and cars before. We also already have the existing light rail and so our heads should already be up.

Neither Canberra or the Gold Coast have had this issue before hand.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/5993010/man-hit-by-canberra-tram-while-walking-through-intersection/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-04-12/compilation-video-of-near-misses-with-canberras/10996924
RTT_Rules

I meant before the trams they didn't have the issues that have occured since the trams went in. Sydney has always had a significant amount of PT in george street and along many parts of the light rail network.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I don't see what the problem is, those trams look tough enough to withstand the hit from a pedestrian (even a really fat one) without getting damaged.

If they really are concerned though they could always just fit the trams with bull bars.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
The sky is blue - next issue please SMH!
  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
W-class trams were commonly fitted with 'cowcatchers' designed to minimise damage to tram and pedestrian alike
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
W-class trams were commonly fitted with 'cowcatchers' designed to minimise damage to tram and pedestrian alike
RedEyeExpress
Did the cow catches ever need replacement?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Common on trams of that era, not just Melbourne. The front ‘fence’ would be pushed back by the ‘cow’ (pedestrian) and the catcher behind would drop down onto the rails:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-24/w-class-tram/7959270

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/17945691
  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
Thanks kitchgp - until now, I never knew exactly how they worked
  8077 Chief Train Controller

Location: Crossing the Rubicon
Have any real incidents been reported with the tram testing?
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
(Cow catchers)common on trams of that era, not just Melbourne. The front ‘fence’ would be pushed back by the ‘cow’ (pedestrian) and the catcher behind would drop down onto the rails
"kitchgp"
That, at least, was the theory of the thing. The "front fence" of the catcher would push back under the tram upon contact with the pedestrian who would then roll under it onto the receptor section.
In practice there were two major problems. The bushes/bearings of the respective pivot points were usually under-lubricated, and so clogged with assorted gunk, that the fence didn't move and the system failed. In addition, pedestrians made a habit of being upright when they were hit by the tram's front bumper which immediately propelled them away from the tram. They were apparently never taught to lie down when being hit which would have given the system a theoretical chance of operating successfully.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Reducing the risk of the tram derailing would have been one object of the design (perhaps the primary, or even the only, one).

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