Pb 15 732

 
  Robert Walker Beginner

Hello Railpage, my name is Robert Walker. I have come across some 20 odd slides of PB 15 No 732 at Beaudesert railway station. I believe that it would have been around 1979/80. I was wondering if anyone may have any records that may determine when this would have been as the local heritage group would be keen to know. The slides are colour and I am doing a family archive project with them. There are also a big bundle of B&W negatives of locos that my father Ian Walker took that I will eventually scan. My uncle Alan Walker would have been one of the organizers of 732's trip. I wondered if you are interested in the photos of 732 when I get them scanned.


A couple more added.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yes please.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Robert,

Some at ARHS Qld Division would probably be able to help with that trip. I'm a member, but I wasn't back then, and have no knowledge of it myself.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Hi Robert,
I was a member and did a trip behind her, but I think the one I did would have been around 1982/3. That's a long time ago and I will have to go through some stuff to relocate my ticket!

The ARHSQ ran to that destination almost annually.

Yes I would love to see those images.

Cheers
Jas
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  Robert Walker Beginner

Yes please.
bevans
Bevan, I have posted the rest of the photos of 732 from this film. Speaking to my Uncle Alan Walker who was on the trip in the early eighties and he says the sequence shows the train going well past the station towards the Council chambers so the driver could use the loop to get the loco at the other end for a return journey to Brisbane tender first. It may have been reversed on the table at Bethania. The table at Beaudesert was either condemned or removed at the time.

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  Robert Walker Beginner

Hi Robert,
I was a member and did a trip behind her, but I think the one I did would have been around 1982/3. That's a long time ago and I will have to go through some stuff to relocate my ticket!

The ARHSQ ran to that destination almost annually.

Yes I would love to see those images.

Cheers Jas

I have posted the rest of the photos of 732 from this film. Speaking to my Uncle Alan Walker who was on the trip in the early eighties and he says the sequence shows the train going well past the station towards the Council chambers so the driver could use the loop to get the loco at the other end for a return journey to Brisbane tender first. It may have been reversed on the table at Bethania. The table at Beaudesert was either condemned or removed at the time.
Big J
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Thanks for the photos Robert!
  GrahamH Chief Commissioner

Location: At a terminal on the www.
Thanks for posting Robert. I was on a tour in 1973 which used this loco for a small part and didn't get any shots other than a photo run and some parallel running.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Thankyou for posting those photos. They are terriffic.

Yes the turntable was removed many years ago. Certainly never around in the 80s and possibly the 70s. They were using 1720s for years and usually double headers removing the need for a turntable or 'angle.

More knowledgeable around here would have some information on removal. I will dust off some books to see if there is any mention of removal.

Cheers
Jas
  unidexter Beginner

G'day Robert

Thanks for the great shot and comments about the location.  Brought back GREAT memories for me - young fan on his first trip north from Melbourne in the early sixties.  Walked across the river to ride behind as many PB15s as could be fitted into one day just going back and forth on the old suburban network.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I have a series of photos taken around 18 months ago from the station area and will get these online over the weekend.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Yes please.
Bevan, I have posted the rest of the photos of 732 from this film. Speaking to my Uncle Alan Walker who was on the trip in the early eighties and he says the sequence shows the train going well past the station towards the Council chambers so the driver could use the loop to get the loco at the other end for a return journey to Brisbane tender first. It may have been reversed on the table at Bethania. The table at Beaudesert was either condemned or removed at the time.

https://www.railpage.com.au/gallery?image=45548
Robert Walker
Just for minor clarity, Bethania had a fork not a turntable. The Fork was formed by the junction of the Beaudesert and Beenleigh routes.
  Robert Walker Beginner

Posted some B&W od PB15 732 from 1977 on the way to beaudesert, C17 b874 and Diesel 1732. Railpage.com.au/gallery?album=robert-walker
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Posted some B&W od PB15 732 from 1977 on the way to beaudesert, C17 b874 and Diesel 1732. Railpage.com.au/gallery?album=robert-walker
Robert Walker
Hi Robert, thanks for those pics, some drool-worthy shots there! I suspect the C17 is 974, 874 was a B18¼. The loco in this shot: http://Railpage.com.au/gallery?image=45642 is definitely not C17 974 however, it has the headlight mounted in the centre of the smokebox door rather than on top of the smokebox. It looks more like a B18¼/BB18¼, however I doubt these were able to run to Beaudesert.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Posted some B&W od PB15 732 from 1977 on the way to beaudesert, C17 b874 and Diesel 1732. Railpage.com.au/gallery?album=robert-walker
Hi Robert, thanks for those pics, some drool-worthy shots there! I suspect the C17 is 974, 874 was a B18¼. The loco in this shot: http://Railpage.com.au/gallery?image=45642 is definitely not C17 974 however, it has the headlight mounted in the centre of the smokebox door rather than on top of the smokebox. It looks more like a B18¼/BB18¼, however I doubt these were able to run to Beaudesert.
Graham4405
Hi Robert, as Graham noted, the loco number can be a research tool. No BB18¼ to Beaudesert. QR loco numbers matched to the class, available on http://www.qrig.org/
  Robert Walker Beginner

Thanks for this Gents, enlarging the C17 photo confirms 974 not 874. Unfortunately my Uncle and father were the experts. I was about 14 when these were taken. As you say the other loco is not a C17 as the head light reveals straight away!!!!! It is very similar to other images of  bb18 1/4. I vague memories of those times, is it possible that the BB ran to Bethania or maybe towards Toowoomba or Ipswich as the photos are from the Beaudesert region????? Thanks for the update about the table at Bethania too. On reflection my Uncle just told me they turned it around not that they used a table. I assumed that. I am scanning negatives and slides that Dad took as a family archiving project and it is a priceless experience walking in his shoes from the past. Small corrections and contributions from yourselves make an enormous difference to the accuracy of that journey, thank you for that. I will amend the file names on my drive but I can't work out how to do that in the Railpage album or delete and replace so if anyone can correct them or tell me how to please do. Thanks for the linktoo.

Kindest regards
  Robert Walker Beginner

More research in play as there would not have been a C17 on the Beaudesert line, suspect the Brisbane Valley? QR advises that the BB was on it's way to Beenleigh.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
there would not have been a C17 on the Beaudesert line
Robert Walker
There definitely has been at least one C17 on the Beaudesert line. Beaudesert Rail used to run 967.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Thanks for this Gents, enlarging the C17 photo confirms 974 not 874. Unfortunately my Uncle and father were the experts. I was about 14 when these were taken. As you say the other loco is not a C17 as the head light reveals straight away!!!!! It is very similar to other images of  bb18 1/4. I vague memories of those times, is it possible that the BB ran to Bethania or maybe towards Toowoomba or Ipswich as the photos are from the Beaudesert region?????  
Robert Walker
Robert, I noticed one of your earlier posts mentioned Ipswich and Toowoomba. The Beaudesert line did not go out west on the Ipswich  / Toowoomba line. The Beaudesert trains left South Brisbane heading south east through such places as Moorooka, Sunnybank, Kuraby and Kingston where any loco heavier than a PB15 or light line diesel stopped. Next station was Loganlea and just south of that was the Logan River with its 8 ton axle limit bridge. The BB18 was 12 tons axle load. Next station south of the Logan River was Bethania where the 8 ton axle load Beaudesert line branched off to the south west, so no loco above a PB15 or light line diesel ever reached Beaudesert in QR days. In 1972 the new Logan River bridge was built, so BB18s and heavier diesels could reach Beenleigh. But the Beaudesert line was still 8 tons axle load limit after the 1972 Logan river bridge was built, so nothing above a PB15 so no C17s beyond Bethania on the Beaudesert branch line in QR service to 1996 when QR suspended services. The nearby meatworks closed 1996 and heavy rain causes track problems so that was that.

Those with the video based on the 2002 tourist line rebuild will know it was done to a much higher axle load than the line in QR day, thus the C17 was allowed.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Robert, some years ago some of us posted material on Railpage on the Beaudesert line. The Canungra line, closed 1955, branched off the Beaudesert line at Logan Village.

Beaudesert line  https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11378903.htm

Canungra line https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p1976321.htm

I have 1891 track data available for free from my Google Drive
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwYjFpeTVmLWlrd2c

Robert, as you can see, a few of us Railpagers have taken an interest in these lines, so ask away. I know my earlier post outlining the history regarding the axle loads may seem elementary but it is also there for those who read this in decades to come. I did see your later post about the BB to Beenleigh.

Cheers
Peter Cokley
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
If the BB18 was enroute to Beenleigh it may have been the 1978 Farewell to Sth Brisbane tour but we did not go to Beaudesert that day. It was farewelling Sth Brisbane as a a terminus as the cross river bridge opened that November.
  Robert Walker Beginner

Thanks for the wonderful feedback Gents. QR thinks the BB was 1079 and it was 1976 so perhaps Beenleigh? They are checking records about the C17 974 in 1976. Dad was heavily involved with the Beaudesert tourist line and was station master for a while complete with waist coat with brass  QR buttons and pocket watch!!!! I will check for photos when next at Mum's. All of this information not only helps me record the photos correctly buyt helps me take a walk in Dad's shoe, thank you for that.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
QR thinks the BB was 1079 and it was 1976
Robert Walker
Interesting to note that (by my understanding) BB18¼ 1079 was the only QGR/QR steam locomotive never to be withdrawn. That is it went directly from service to preservation.

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