Melbourne rail rage soars as passengers feel squeeze

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 17 Oct 2019 10:19
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A critical issue in my mind is the government pressuring Metro trains to remove seating in the carriages to enable more and more people to be squeezed into each carriage.

We know from reports significant overloading is a major problem and is actually unsafe.  Perhaps leading to medical incidents across the network each and every weekday.

if you are going to dangerously overload carriages then people are going to get frustrated.

Further, the hot weather has not really started in Melbourne as yet and then it does those carriages (and there are quite a few) who do not have working air conditioning will be a panacea for further unrest.

Melbourne rail rage soars as passengers feel squeeze

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  Madjikthise Assistant Commissioner

Just examples of people believing the train is there for them only and not giving a toss about anyone else.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

It doesn't help that:
1) The HCMT project is running 12 months late.
2) Barely any new Metro services introduced on Werribee line after the RRL was opened, and
3) Nothing happening to increase capacity on the Craigieburn line.  (V/Line via Upfield, anyone?)
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
It doesn't help that:
1) The HCMT project is running 12 months late.
2) Barely any new Metro services introduced on Werribee line after the RRL was opened, and
3) Nothing happening to increase capacity on the Craigieburn line.  (V/Line via Upfield, anyone?)
Carnot
And an extra 2000 people a week being being crush loaded into Melbourne.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It doesn't help that:
1) The HCMT project is running 12 months late.
2) Barely any new Metro services introduced on Werribee line after the RRL was opened, and
3) Nothing happening to increase capacity on the Craigieburn line.  (V/Line via Upfield, anyone?)
Carnot

These are a subset of the issues but certainly significant.  Why have we not seen additional services to Werribee after Vline was rerouted post the RRL?

I can also imagine some of the impacts if the RRL project had been delivered correctly with sparks to the WY as was planned.

In terms of the HCMT I think there is far more to this than meets the eye right now with a lot more to come.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Perhaps there's a shortage of drivers Question
Many Metro drivers have defected to V/Line due to V/Line's better work conditions.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Mike have you witnessed any of this behavior on V/Line network?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Metro general manager of passenger experience, Tilly Loughborough, said passengers should plan for delays.............


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  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Removing the seating is cheaper than running more than three trains an hour in the suburbs. And yes, the magical seat disappearance is also happening on the X'Traps too, they are having the first rows of seats ripped out (M cars only) for more wheelchair space to match the new-build ones from 221M up which entered service with the same feature.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Mike have you witnessed any of this behavior on V/Line network?
bevans

No..

Though I'm not on the Wyndham Vale/Geelong line, which suffers worse overcrowding.

'people playing loud music and talking loudly on phones' ... is always annoying and a reason I rarely travel in a quiet carriage...not to mention kids who don't know what Quiet cars are for when travelling during school holidays...but I'm digressing.

Mike.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Anyone notice that lenders are now saying "Nope" to loans for Greenfield sites around outer-Melbourne, many of which have poor public transport at the present time?:
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/no-go-lending-zones-development-defaults-rise-in-sydney-and-melbourne-20191016-p5318u.html

Receivers and managers are preparing for an increase in workloads as investors default on loans when pre-sales of residential projects fail to materialise.

"Meanwhile in Melbourne, greenfield development sites in the suburbs of Plumpton to the Bacchus March corridor as well as Truganina to the west, Officer to the East and Cranbourne to the South are now off-limits for Chifley – which has lent developers $2 billion over the 2018-2019 financial year."
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Anyone notice that lenders are now saying "Nope" to loans for Greenfield sites around outer-Melbourne, many of which have poor public transport at the present time?:
https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/no-go-lending-zones-development-defaults-rise-in-sydney-and-melbourne-20191016-p5318u.html

Receivers and managers are preparing for an increase in workloads as investors default on loans when pre-sales of residential projects fail to materialise.

"Meanwhile in Melbourne, greenfield development sites in the suburbs of Plumpton to the Bacchus March corridor as well as Truganina to the west, Officer to the East and Cranbourne to the South are now off-limits for Chifley – which has lent developers $2 billion over the 2018-2019 financial year."
Carnot
Because the whole system is entirely reliant on us maintaining record high immigration and in the face of a faltering economy its unlikely to stay that high.

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