Horsham passenger rail: Wimmera leaders pleased with community support

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 29 Jun 2015 15:46
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
This has been discussed many times before, there's no real incentive for either political party to extend beyond Ararat because of the extremely safe National party seat lying just beyond Stawell. I'm sure that was part of the reason why Jeff Kennett closed those services to begin with, the four country trains that got the chop in 1993 were all in fairly safe Nationals territory so there was virtually no backlash. Only Mildura and Bairnsdale made substantial noise at the time so Jeff's gambit paid off...

Fast-forward 26 years and the Bracks government's decision to re-open as far as Ararat appears to work well, there's multiple services for buses to connect to from the Wimmera/Mallee and it's also made Ararat an accessible tourist destination for day trips from Melbourne. The expense of reinstating standard gauge services beyond Ararat will probably be a permanent obstacle to any future Wimmera trains; can't see this changing any time soon.
I don't know - The Vic Government stepped in and 'saved' the Overland so I'm not sure they're entirely agnostic to rail in that region?
james.au
Agree james, it would almost appear to me, that Dan and his crew seem to be doing things, simply because they need to be done. His level crossing removal an example, how often does a govt exceed their job task.

Also the freight separation, job card in Ballarat, it probably doesn't need to be done, but it is certainly a very smart move.

However I'm not saying they are about to crank up a passenger train service to Horsham, there plenty of other cakes to bake before that, but Horsham, Hamilton and obviously Mildura will keep simmering and their time will come and weather it's Dan or who ever, they will get pressured into delivering.

BigShunter.

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
This has been discussed many times before, there's no real incentive for either political party to extend beyond Ararat because of the extremely safe National party seat lying just beyond Stawell. I'm sure that was part of the reason why Jeff Kennett closed those services to begin with, the four country trains that got the chop in 1993 were all in fairly safe Nationals territory so there was virtually no backlash. Only Mildura and Bairnsdale made substantial noise at the time so Jeff's gambit paid off...

Fast-forward 26 years and the Bracks government's decision to re-open as far as Ararat appears to work well, there's multiple services for buses to connect to from the Wimmera/Mallee and it's also made Ararat an accessible tourist destination for day trips from Melbourne. The expense of reinstating standard gauge services beyond Ararat will probably be a permanent obstacle to any future Wimmera trains; can't see this changing any time soon.
I don't know - The Vic Government stepped in and 'saved' the Overland so I'm not sure they're entirely agnostic to rail in that region?
james.au
That was just to save themselves from embarrassment, of been seen to the public to discontinue a passenger train service.

Plus they could grill the SA Liberals for discontinuing their share of the trains funding, Andrews became the knight In shinning armor by saving the train.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Yep still here, some more rumblings regarding passenger trains and facilities at the Horsham Station.

Emma Kealy said if passenger rail was to return to Horsham, the facilities needed to be brought up to scratch to be ready to receive commuters.
"At the moment there is not a lot of access for trainspotters or passengers," she said.

A Department of Transport spokesman said discussions into the long-term future of public transport services between Melbourne and Adelaide were ongoing.
"We're working to find the best way to provide regular, reliable public transport connections across western Victoria - including looking at the long-term future of the Overland," he said.
The spokesman also said the government was reviewing improving bus services in Stawell and Horsham, including extended operating hours, better coverage and Saturday services.

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/6316224/future-of-overland-train-remains-uncertain/?cs=225

BigShunter.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
There seems to be some sort of problem with posting atm, you only have a limited amount of lines that are able to be written and the format is getting cocked up, as you can see above.

Bevans some sort of tune up required, perhaps get your timing light out and advance the timing a bit or check the points.

BigShunter.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Horsham desperately needs a proper bus station/interchange in the middle of town - the existing set up is woefully inadequate and a safety issue. I've changed buses there several times in the last few years and you can have two or more buses there at any time with local (Naracoorte, Hamilton etc) buses on the outside and the Firefly/Vline services parked on the inner lane. There's no shelter from the baking sun or rain and frankly its a joke.

Regardless of what happens with the rail service the local council urgently needs to lobby the VIC government to upgrade that bus station and get it off the public road with better shelter.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Horsham desperately needs a proper bus station/interchange in the middle of town - the existing set up is woefully inadequate and a safety issue. I've changed buses there several times in the last few years and you can have two or more buses there at any time with local (Naracoorte, Hamilton etc) buses on the outside and the Firefly/Vline services parked on the inner lane. There's no shelter from the baking sun or rain and frankly its a joke.

Regardless of what happens with the rail service the local council urgently needs to lobby the VIC government to upgrade that bus station and get it off the public road with better shelter.
don_dunstan
Well now is ya chance don, seems the Govt is doing a review of the above, we've had a fair discussion about it, crank your email up and rattle Jacinta's or who ever's cage and present your ideas.

BigShunter.
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Well now is ya chance don, seems the Govt is doing a review of the above, we've had a fair discussion about it, crank your email up and rattle Jacinta's or who ever's cage and present your ideas.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Not a VIC resident any longer BigShunter - and frankly if the Horsham Council can't be bothered trying to do something about how unwelcoming that whole set-up is for tourists then why should I care either?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Well it's time to roll this baby out again.

Horsham mayor Mark Radford hopeful passenger rail will return to the city soon.

HORSHAM Rural City mayor Mark Radford is confident trains will soon be running from Horsham to Ararat.

Cr Radford said representatives of the municipality, Northern Grampians and Southern Grampians shires had met with Public Transport Minister Melissa Horne and the Department of Transport after making a video plea in February.

"When we met the minister (our) small-scale request was that maybe we could have a shuttle train service using the existing rail and stations, which would link Horsham and the Wimmera with the current Ararat services," he said.

Trains leave Ararat for Melbourne six times a day, and Cr Radford said the company Wimmera Rail Services had drafted a timetable for shuttle services from Horsham and Hamilton.

"The short-term ask for Hamilton was improved bus services," he said.

"When we met with the department a few weeks ago, (director of technical services) John Martin and (chief executive) Sunil Bhalla were our representatives. I'm told it was a productive meeting and no one said no ... (and) they agreed to work together."

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/6452737/we-are-a-step-closer-horsham-mayor-hopeful-passenger-rail-will-return-soon/?cs=225

Link cut from the Wimmera Mail Times.

They have been very persistent for a quite a few years, now. Making any headway, not too sure about that.

Improving the bus service is, as we've discussed before a good start but the bus arrival/departure area as we have also given a good work over, needs to be re-worked in a major way.

Still watching the Wimmera from dons homeland, dons back yard....

BigShunter.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

6 times a day?? 5 up and 4 down perhaps.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
6 times a day?? 5 up and 4 down perhaps.
kitchgp

Consult the timetable...simples...Smile

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/469db9b4-2924-4aed-8795-6ceb8866d2fd/Ararat-Melbourne-(via-Ballarat)-(2)

Up to 6 UP's (trains) a weekday if the Overland is included, otherwise 5 UP's and 5 DOWN's every weekday, fewer services on weekends of course.

Other bus services to/from Ballarat as well.

Mike.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Mister Fact Checker
Well it's time to roll this baby out again.

Horsham mayor Mark Radford hopeful passenger rail will return to the city soon.

HORSHAM Rural City mayor Mark Radford is confident trains will soon be running from Horsham to Ararat.

Cr Radford said representatives of the municipality, Northern Grampians and Southern Grampians shires had met with Public Transport Minister Melissa Horne and the Department of Transport after making a video plea in February.

"When we met the minister (our) small-scale request was that maybe we could have a shuttle train service using the existing rail and stations, which would link Horsham and the Wimmera with the current Ararat services," he said.

Trains leave Ararat for Melbourne six times a day, and Cr Radford said the company Wimmera Rail Services had drafted a timetable for shuttle services from Horsham and Hamilton.

"The short-term ask for Hamilton was improved bus services," he said.

"When we met with the department a few weeks ago, (director of technical services) John Martin and (chief executive) Sunil Bhalla were our representatives. I'm told it was a productive meeting and no one said no ... (and) they agreed to work together."

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/6452737/we-are-a-step-closer-horsham-mayor-hopeful-passenger-rail-will-return-soon/?cs=225

Link cut from the Wimmera Mail Times.

They have been very persistent for a quite a few years, now. Making any headway, not too sure about that.

Improving the bus service is, as we've discussed before a good start but the bus arrival/departure area as we have also given a good work over, needs to be re-worked in a major way.

Still watching the Wimmera from dons homeland, dons back yard....

BigShunter.
BigShunter
well it is good to see the local council have finally got their head out of their proverbial and ditched their overblown grand plan to re-build the network just because some consultant said somebody might pay for it..

A Hamilton-Horsham shuttle train is a sensible compromise, letting Ararat-SCS continue to carry bulk of the work.
Not sure about 5 per day though. Maybe 2-3 to start with to gauge (ha ha funny pun) the real demand, even if it is a bus.

cheers
John
  C2 Junior Train Controller

I'm no gunzel but..I thought  2022 was the time Labour talked about starting these services.,when the Overland dies? So won't we have surplus carriages and Locos then
Like  N,s the XPT plus other NSW stuff., Sprinters....R766 SRHC catriages too.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

I'm no gunzel but..I thought  2022 was the time Labour talked about starting these services.,when the Overland dies? So won't we have surplus carriages and Locos then
Like  N,s the XPT plus other NSW stuff., Sprinters....R766 SRHC catriages too.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
....even if it is a bus.

cheers
John
justarider

There already IS a bus...

Up to 7 a day... Exclamation

Funny things timetables...one can glean SO much info from them... Smile

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/3efaa93c-7229-41ef-8ad2-ffc462665ae2/210-Nhill-Melbourne-(via-Horsham)-(1)

M.
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Mister Fact Checker
"There already IS a bus.."

Yes, Mike, but that is Horsham. The missing link is Hamilton.

cheers
John
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

.......and 5 DOWN's ........
The Vinelander

4.

Why would you bus it from Horsham to Ararat to catch The Overland?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Hamilton has its main service down the Glenelg Highway and there's three return services - I catch this to visit family a few times a year from Ballarat when I'm not driving. Hamilton can also be accessed with a bus from Ararat but I think that's much less frequent; Horsham has five buses a day (from memory) but Hamilton and Horsham aren't connected any longer via a bus on the Henty Highway, I think this was discontinued by PTV some years ago.

Horsham has quite a busy bus interchange; Mildura, Naracoorte, Bendigo, Adelaide and Melbourne buses all pass through.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Hamilton has its main service down the Glenelg Highway and there's three return services - I catch this to visit family a few times a year from Ballarat when I'm not driving. Hamilton can also be accessed with a bus from Ararat but I think that's much less frequent; Horsham has five buses a day (from memory) but Hamilton and Horsham aren't connected any longer via a bus on the Henty Highway, I think this was discontinued by PTV some years ago.

Horsham has quite a busy bus interchange; Mildura, Naracoorte, Bendigo, Adelaide and Melbourne buses all pass through.
don_dunstan
Howdy don, there used to be a bus from Hamilton to Horsham via Balmoral, think it used to take the mail as well, when we where cooped up in Horsham, mum used to catch it a bit, do ya know when that stopped running ?

She actually lives in Heywood and I reckon there was a bus from Portland to Hamilton to ?? and then at Hamilton she'd jump on the Horsham bus for a white knuckle ride North.

BigShunter.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
The Ararat-Warrnambool coach goes via Hall's Gap and Hamilton, which makes it a long, not all that attractive route to take end to end.

The Hamilon-Ararat coach idea needs to ask the question: are we prioritising speed and convenience, or is the aim to just flood Ararat with train passengers to justify that train service?

Not running all Horsham coaches through to Ballarat and forcing a train change at Ararat makes sense, as the dead kms those coaches are running can be reused to provide more services to the North and West, with intermediate stops being integrated into the Ballarat and Ararat local bus networks. Hamilton is a bit trickier as those services serve unique catchments that also need a good quality link to Ballarat.

Tracing the highways and thinking 'oh, a bus could run there' is one thing, but Ballarat is the real drawcard that needs to be connected to.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

6 times a day?? 5 up and 4 down perhaps.

Consult the timetable...simples...Smile

https://www.vline.com.au/getattachment/469db9b4-2924-4aed-8795-6ceb8866d2fd/Ararat-Melbourne-(via-Ballarat)-(2)

Up to 6 UP's (trains) a weekday if the Overland is included, otherwise 5 UP's and 5 DOWN's every weekday, fewer services on weekends of course.

Other bus services to/from Ballarat as well.

Mike.
The Vinelander
No currently  5  Up bg Ararats on Weekdays with 4 Downs .  Dn Ety cars runs from Ballarat on Weekdays 0510 to form the first Up at 0618.
This is because the existing siding at Ararat can only stable 1 x 3 car  VL set.
VLP were given funds ex MB over two years ago and with all the usual V/Line urgency of a crippled snail the second siding is understood to just be under construction now .  When complete the early am  Dn  Ety cars will  dissapear and either the 1600 Dn Wendouree or  1633  Dn  Wendouree/Maryborough will be extended to Ararat giving then short term Weekdays  Downs at say  0816,  1216,  1416, 1633 and  1823  and  Ups as now at 0618  0715  1226  1449  1649
Then next year when the Weekday 40 minute Ballarat  Off Peak service is introduced the Ararat times will be adjusted as currently with Wendouree on hourly then Ararat  Up or Down can only be as close as 2 hours  . With the Ballarat  Ararat run time on single track being 60 mins and the Wendouree  on 40 mins then the  tightest following Up or Down  Ararats can be is  1 hr  20  mins .
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Hamilton has its main service down the Glenelg Highway and there's three return services - I catch this to visit family a few times a year from Ballarat when I'm not driving. Hamilton can also be accessed with a bus from Ararat but I think that's much less frequent; Horsham has five buses a day (from memory) but Hamilton and Horsham aren't connected any longer via a bus on the Henty Highway, I think this was discontinued by PTV some years ago.

Horsham has quite a busy bus interchange; Mildura, Naracoorte, Bendigo, Adelaide and Melbourne buses all pass through.
Howdy don, there used to be a bus from Hamilton to Horsham via Balmoral, think it used to take the mail as well, when we where cooped up in Horsham, mum used to catch it a bit, do ya know when that stopped running ?

She actually lives in Heywood and I reckon there was a bus from Portland to Hamilton to ?? and then at Hamilton she'd jump on the Horsham bus for a white knuckle ride North.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Hey BigShunter, not sure when the Henty Highway bus ceased but it used to operate as an extension of the one from Mildura (which still operates every week day - I think). The Ministry directly financed the service rather than V/line.

There's almost no towns south of Horsham for a bus to service bar Balmoral and that's a long way off the Henty Highway anyway. Other services like the one to Naracoorte seemingly have a lot of regular users - people coming from Natimuk and Edenhope especially to shop in Horsham I guess.
  Maximas Station Master

Location: Geelong
Regarding Hamilton - Ararat, my current GF who lived in Hamilton during her high school years said everyone in town would be more inclined to get a bus to Warrnambool and take a train from there to get into Melbourne
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Regarding Hamilton - Ararat, my current GF who lived in Hamilton during her high school years said everyone in town would be more inclined to get a bus to Warrnambool and take a train from there to get into Melbourne
Maximas
Sounds a bit of a scenic tour, Maxiboy... 2hrs to drive to Ballarat and 1.5 ish on the train to Melbourne. Me sister does this regularly and with the increase of services to Ararat that option is looking more attractive being an hours drive.

Similarly with the ever extending freeway towards Ararat as well driving up that direction is also a better option. Friends of mine who lives near Condah have done this for years.

It's taken a long time for people to either catch on to the options I mentioned or people to change old habits.

BigShunter.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Hamilton has its main service down the Glenelg Highway and there's three return services - I catch this to visit family a few times a year from Ballarat when I'm not driving. Hamilton can also be accessed with a bus from Ararat but I think that's much less frequent; Horsham has five buses a day (from memory) but Hamilton and Horsham aren't connected any longer via a bus on the Henty Highway, I think this was discontinued by PTV some years ago.

Horsham has quite a busy bus interchange; Mildura, Naracoorte, Bendigo, Adelaide and Melbourne buses all pass through.
don_dunstan

With Victorian Public Transport Minister Melissa Horne in Horsham on Wednesday it sounds like there was variuos discussions regard bus services.

I & more than likely don would hope there was also a decent look and discussion about the bus interchange area and if it was around lunch time, she would have been able to see numerous buses double parked and the need to make some over due changes for a smoother and safer interchange area.

Wimmera Roadways hopes to establish service connecting Horsham to Hamilton, Portland.

Wimmera Roadways owner Leigh McGinty says the company hopes to get a bus service covering the entire Henty Highway.

https://www.mailtimes.com.au/story/6604338/wimmera-roadways-hopes-to-establish-service-connecting-horsham-to-hamilton-portland/

Link from yesterdays Wimmera MailTimes.

BigShunter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Annouced at: https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/more-bus-services-more-often-for-horsham-community

and

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/more-support-for-wimmera-community-connections

which also talks about route buses?

But the above suggests there is demand for a train if more buses are required?

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