Severe weather and Bushfire thread 2019/20

 
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Grassfire near Rothbury North.  Looks to be a grassfire to the East of the HVRT.
https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/major-fire-updates/mfu?id=4983
Carnot
The big RFS Waterbomber is on the case as I speak!

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  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
As I type there are still 9 fires at Emergency Level warning, there are a further 9 at Watch and Act warning. but there are heaps of others just burning at advice level.
  Graham4405 Minister for Railways

Location: Dalby Qld
I've been in Northern NSW since 06/11/2019 and will be until 20/11/2019 at least. Smoke has been pretty much a constant feature in the air. Passed several fires on the Pacific Hwy today.
  bevans Site Admin
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/artc-north-coast-line-update
bevans
The XPT's are off the northern track for a month due to those bogie bolster replacements under the power cars.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Interesting to note that winter has come early in some parts of the northern hemisphere - highways were slowed and grit trucks deployed across England and Scotland yesterday because of snow; Devon was particularly hard hit. They've also had unseasonably early and heavy snow across northern Europe and the eastern United States in the last week.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Interesting to note that winter has come early in some parts of the northern hemisphere - highways were slowed and grit trucks deployed across England and Scotland yesterday because of snow; Devon was particularly hard hit. They've also had unseasonably early and heavy snow across northern Europe and the eastern United States in the last week.
don_dunstan

In support https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/rotherham-central-station-to-be-closed-until-friday-after-flooding
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Tonight there is a massive fire burning in the Wollemi National Park near Sydney, this fire has been burning for weeks, and has burnt out nearly 86,000 hectares of land, they reckon they will be on it for a few more weeks at least.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Just to show how variable the weather can be depending on where you are, the Latrobe River in S.E. Victoria broke its banks in some places in the past week. And, their local mean maximum temperature for November is a whole 3 degrees below average for the month so far.

Crazy, huh. Their turn will come though.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

The hysteria in the media coverage has made the overall situation worse and probably triggered more unhinged people to do things that they would not normally think about. The mind boggles.

The idea of letting kids loose out of school, bored and unsupervised (with blowtorches)  on Tuesday proved unhelpful.
  C2 Station Master

I would say our weather in  Vic last few months is how  i remember it. And if you say the banks broke, that makes me happy..But will it be a flood?
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The sad part is people are now blaming Climate Change for the fires. At what point does Climate Change cause someone using a match to light a bush fire?

Australia has basically been in and out of drought since European's arrived and for the 10,000's years before. Maybe time for some people to study history before hopping on the soap box. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_Australia

Australia is geographically a very large land mass and has very different climates, something I have to explain to my fellow workers when they ask how hot or cold is it in Australia at X point in time? Therefore it is only common sense that while some areas will be under drought, others will be in flood at the same time. Potentially and more likely the weather patterns that cause one, also drive the other. The El Nina / El Nino just does this across the Pacific.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The sad part is people are now blaming Climate Change for the fires.
"RTT_Rules"
Some are. Barnaby Joyce is blaming changes in the sun's magnetic field. Nobody has blamed aliens yet, but it won't be long.
  ANR Assistant Commissioner

Is climate change causing people growing a certain illegal crop to backburn their own property to protect it, and in effect invite a catastrophic firestorm into their neighbourhood?

How many of these fires have been deliberately lit?

If this trend continues, it will lead to vigilante behaviour.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
The sad part is people are now blaming Climate Change for the fires. At what point does Climate Change cause someone using a match to light a bush fire?

Australia has basically been in and out of drought since European's arrived and for the 10,000's years before. Maybe time for some people to study history before hopping on the soap box. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_Australia

Australia is geographically a very large land mass and has very different climates, something I have to explain to my fellow workers when they ask how hot or cold is it in Australia at X point in time? Therefore it is only common sense that while some areas will be under drought, others will be in flood at the same time. Potentially and more likely the weather patterns that cause one, also drive the other. The El Nina / El Nino just does this across the Pacific.
RTT_Rules
More of your politically skewed 'research' Rolling Eyes

Climate Change didn't started the fires. However it is influencing the climate regardless of your politics. The data is there, the trends are obvious and the science just makes sense. Former fire chiefs free from political gagging, are telling it as it is. What anyone does about it is political however the issue is so polarising nothing will change.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
How many of these fires have been deliberately lit?

If this trend continues, it will lead to vigilante behaviour.
ANR
It has already. I am deliberately not going to be specific about times and places, but in one inferno some years ago, the home of my ex-wife and our two sons was completely burnt to the ground, along with many others.
A person already under suspicion was caught a couple of days later, in the act of lighting another fire in area which was untouched by the first blaze. He was caught by a group of locals who had been monitoring him. He hasn't walked unaided since that day, and never will.
Enquiries subsequently failed to gather any evidence about a possible assault (ahem!)
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
How many of these fires have been deliberately lit?

If this trend continues, it will lead to vigilante behaviour.
It has already. I am deliberately not going to be specific about times and places, but in one inferno some years ago, the home of my ex-wife and our two sons was completely burnt to the ground, along with many others.
A person already under suspicion was caught a couple of days later, in the act of lighting another fire in area which was untouched by the first blaze. He was caught by a group of locals who had been monitoring him. He hasn't walked unaided since that day, and never will.
Enquiries subsequently failed to gather any evidence about a possible assault (ahem!)
Valvegear
Surprised that he wasn't and/or isn't 'out on bail'.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Surprised that he wasn't and/or isn't 'out on bail'.
"YM-Mundrabilla"
The said arsonist was never charged, due to police having no involvement in his capture, and receiving no complaint or information. It also seems that he later refused to discuss the way in which he sustained serious injuries to both legs.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
How many of these fires have been deliberately lit?
ANR
Sadly, most of them. SA Police were apparently keeping an eye on some 180 known pyromaniacs during the recent hot blast of weather and apparently it's a very effective strategy.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
The sad part is people are now blaming Climate Change for the fires. At what point does Climate Change cause someone using a match to light a bush fire?

Australia has basically been in and out of drought since European's arrived and for the 10,000's years before. Maybe time for some people to study history before hopping on the soap box. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_Australia

Australia is geographically a very large land mass and has very different climates, something I have to explain to my fellow workers when they ask how hot or cold is it in Australia at X point in time? Therefore it is only common sense that while some areas will be under drought, others will be in flood at the same time. Potentially and more likely the weather patterns that cause one, also drive the other. The El Nina / El Nino just does this across the Pacific.
More of your politically skewed 'research' Rolling Eyes

Climate Change didn't started the fires. However it is influencing the climate regardless of your politics. The data is there, the trends are obvious and the science just makes sense. Former fire chiefs free from political gagging, are telling it as it is. What anyone does about it is political however the issue is so polarising nothing will change.
Groundrelay
You need to remove the eye-patch and read what I actually said before hitting the keyboard.

Bush fires started with a match especially in areas lacking sufficient and regular burn-offs, likely the bulk of them ARE NOT AN OUTCOME OF CLIMATE CHANGE.

Australia has also had droughts since the start of recorded history in Australia, albeit only 200 years and realistically 150 years for most of the country.

I also stated the the size of the land mass frequently drives opposite weather extremes across the country at the same time because what drives one also often drives the other.

At no time did i say climate change is not real.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
Surprised that he wasn't and/or isn't 'out on bail'.
The said arsonist was never charged, due to police having no involvement in his capture, and receiving no complaint or information. It also seems that he later refused to discuss the way in which he sustained serious injuries to both legs.
Valvegear
I've heard tripping over a stick carrying a match box near bush land on a hot windy day can result in all three major bones in each leg being completely shattered.
  RTT_Rules Dr Beeching

Location: Dubai UAE
How many of these fires have been deliberately lit?
Sadly, most of them. SA Police were apparently keeping an eye on some 180 known pyromaniacs during the recent hot blast of weather and apparently it's a very effective strategy.
don_dunstan
Parking a police car out the front of your home for a few days does tend to make you stay inside.
  SinickleBird Chief Train Controller

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport


“Parking a police car out the front of your home for a few days does tend to make you stay inside.”

Our taxpayer dollars at work.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
The sad part is people are now blaming Climate Change for the fires. At what point does Climate Change cause someone using a match to light a bush fire?

Australia has basically been in and out of drought since European's arrived and for the 10,000's years before. Maybe time for some people to study history before hopping on the soap box. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drought_in_Australia

Australia is geographically a very large land mass and has very different climates, something I have to explain to my fellow workers when they ask how hot or cold is it in Australia at X point in time? Therefore it is only common sense that while some areas will be under drought, others will be in flood at the same time. Potentially and more likely the weather patterns that cause one, also drive the other. The El Nina / El Nino just does this across the Pacific.
More of your politically skewed 'research' Rolling Eyes

Climate Change didn't started the fires. However it is influencing the climate regardless of your politics. The data is there, the trends are obvious and the science just makes sense. Former fire chiefs free from political gagging, are telling it as it is. What anyone does about it is political however the issue is so polarising nothing will change.
Bush fires started with a match especially in areas lacking sufficient and regular burn-offs, likely the bulk of them ARE NOT AN OUTCOME OF CLIMATE CHANGE.
RTT_Rules
Well, this just shows the insidious impact of climate change.

Average temperatures are higher. The bush is drier. Fire seasons are longer. The window of opportunity for backburning is smaller, so fuel loads are heavier. Caused by a matchstick or not, rainforests now burn. The chance of rain in any case to douse the fires is less. Etc, etc, etc.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Well, this just shows the insidious impact of climate change.

Average temperatures are higher. The bush is drier. Fire seasons are longer. The window of opportunity for backburning is smaller, so fuel loads are heavier. Caused by a matchstick or not, rainforests now burn. The chance of rain in any case to douse the fires is less. Etc, etc, etc.
DirtyBallast
Rain-forests have never become dry to the point of bushfire before - it's only a consequence of anthropomorphic climate change? Oh dear, another one that needs under their bed and wardrobe checking for carbon monster. In absence of that I'll tell you that it just ain't real and it's just politically-motivated clap-trap, will that help you to sleep tonight?

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