Future of Overland train service in doubt

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 25 Nov 2019 19:16
  route14 Chief Commissioner

So the staff can just shut off a passenger car and use it as the staff room?

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  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

They can and they do.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
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Victoria's funding arrangement ends on December 31, but the state's public transport minister Melissa Horne is hopeful the service can still be saved.

My message to the South Australian Government is we've bailed out this important passenger rail service for one year," she said.

"We're still in active negotiations, because this is an important regional passenger rail service but South Australian Government, come to the party."

But Ms Horne hasn't confirmed Victoria will continue to bail out the rail service, and there's no guarantee it will operate in 2020 if SA doesn't start contributing funding again.

"We're working through what the implications of that are and I'll be in a position to make an announcement before the 31st of December," she said.


Wimmera Facebook, Friday.

BigShunter.

forgot the link;

https://www.facebook.com/pg/abcwimmera/posts/?ref=page_internal
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
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BigShunter
To tell the truth I don't give a damn if the Victorian taxpayer want to bail it out for another year or two; however from the article you posted it looks like it may be cancelled after all. Minister Melissa Horne is wasting her time if she thinks Steve Marshall will tip in money for it.
  gippslander Chief Commissioner

Location: Central Gippsland, Vic
Total silence from the Victorian & SA Governments, so it looks like the Overland is finished. When I went on it from Horsham a couple of weeks back there was nothing at all in the local paper about the issue. The locals I spoke to in Horsham were completely disinterested, the car is clearly very much the King.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
It has already been said here - there's nothing in it for the South Australians.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
It has already been said here - there's nothing in it for the South Australians.
Valvegear

It's not going to lose the ruling party any crucial votes in either state, and it sure ain't going to win them any if it's retained
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Total silence from the Victorian & SA Governments, so it looks like the Overland is finished. When I went on it from Horsham a couple of weeks back there was nothing at all in the local paper about the issue. The locals I spoke to in Horsham were completely disinterested, the car is clearly very much the King.
gippslander
The bus stop is right in the middle of town whereas the station is a fair distance from the business district; that's always hobbled the rail service in Horsham.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
When I went on it from Horsham a couple of weeks back there was nothing at all in the local paper about the issue.

The locals I spoke to in Horsham were completely disinterested, the car is clearly very much the King.
gippslander
Well not quite accurate gippslander because I post most articles I see online here, which probably drives most up the wall being sick of the same old same old.

As I've said plenty of times ( when living in Horsham ) I used to catch the train from Ararat or Ballarat a bit and one or two of the kids or Mrs but if we where going as a family to say Melbourne we would just drive.

So probably a single or two people would be interested but any more and they would more than likely take the car, share driving etc.

Reckon most people love the concept of the train but not a whole lot of these would actually use it. Even after the service was changed to a day light service, often I would say catch the train, naa I would but traveling on it at night too hard and I'd say it's now a day time service, ohh really when did that happen, couple of years ago, oh didn't realise.

The only time we traveled to Melbourne as a family on V'Line was when the commonwealth games where on and you could travel from anywhere as a family cheap as chips.

BigShunter.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Total silence from the Victorian & SA Governments, so it looks like the Overland is finished. When I went on it from Horsham a couple of weeks back there was nothing at all in the local paper about the issue. The locals I spoke to in Horsham were completely disinterested, the car is clearly very much the King.
gippslander

Talk to the same 'local's' when it's time to visit the big smoke and they well have a very different point of view.

Train services are enablers to travel whereas buses are seen as very much, in so many aspects such as speed and comfort ...the poor relation.

Mike.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
When I went on it from Horsham a couple of weeks back there was nothing at all in the local paper about the issue.

The locals I spoke to in Horsham were completely disinterested, the car is clearly very much the King.
Well not quite accurate gippslander because I post most articles I see online here, which probably drives most up the wall being sick of the same old same old.

As I've said plenty of times ( when living in Horsham ) I used to catch the train from Ararat or Ballarat a bit and one or two of the kids or Mrs but if we where going as a family to say Melbourne we would just drive.

So probably a single or two people would be interested but any more and they would more than likely take the car, share driving etc.

Reckon most people love the concept of the train but not a whole lot of these would actually use it. Even after the service was changed to a day light service, often I would say catch the train, naa I would but traveling on it at night too hard and I'd say it's now a day time service, ohh really when did that happen, couple of years ago, oh didn't realise.

The only time we traveled to Melbourne as a family on V'Line was when the commonwealth games where on and you could travel from anywhere as a family cheap as chips.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Death of a thousand cuts; 5 days a week, then 3 but more recently 2.

Journey Beyond says there's five trains left - tomorrow is fully booked.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

I don't see what the fuss is about. To put it in context, we get four Overland annual subsidies for the cost of one Melbourne median priced house.

To governments this is not even pocket money, it's the fluff in the bottom of your pocket.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
I don't see what the fuss is about. To put it in context, we get four Overland annual subsidies for the cost of one Melbourne median priced house.

To governments this is not even pocket money, it's the fluff in the bottom of your pocket.
Lockspike
Or one politician pay rise!
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Talk to the same 'local's' when it's time to visit the big smoke and they well have a very different point of view.
The Vinelander
Not the locals in Horsham.

I used it once back when there were five trips per week in each direction, and it sailed straight through Horsham in both directions because there were no passengers booked there.

Use it or lose it!

Death of a thousand cuts; 5 days a week, then 3 but more recently 2.

Journey Beyond says there's five trains left - tomorrow is fully booked.
don_dunstan
Maybe they should be threatening to cancel it all the time if good passenger numbers are the result.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Total silence from the Victorian & SA Governments, so it looks like the Overland is finished. When I went on it from Horsham a couple of weeks back there was nothing at all in the local paper about the issue. The locals I spoke to in Horsham were completely disinterested, the car is clearly very much the King.
The bus stop is right in the middle of town whereas the station is a fair distance from the business district; that's always hobbled the rail service in Horsham.,
don_dunstan
No, I doubt it made a difference. The station is still within the town and only 700mm from centre. Distance, frequency, level of serviced all makea difference. Not the extra 30sec being driven to the station for some, others its closer.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Total silence from the Victorian & SA Governments, so it looks like the Overland is finished. When I went on it from Horsham a couple of weeks back there was nothing at all in the local paper about the issue. The locals I spoke to in Horsham were completely disinterested, the car is clearly very much the King.
The bus stop is right in the middle of town whereas the station is a fair distance from the business district; that's always hobbled the rail service in Horsham.,
No, I doubt it made a difference. The station is still within the town and only 700mm from centre. Distance, frequency, level of serviced all makea difference. Not the extra 30sec being driven to the station for some, others its closer.
RTT_Rules
I know that town really well, I had family living there for decades. And yes, it did make a difference - people actually preferred the bus because of the location of the stop right in the middle of the town where all the other local Horsham and Wimmera buses are.

Some things can't be gleaned from Google Earth, you actually have to have local knowledge.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Death of a thousand cuts; 5 days a week, then 3 but more recently 2.

Journey Beyond says there's five trains left - tomorrow is fully booked.
don_dunstan
Well more like a very slow strangulation, don.

So I have me ticket to travel back to Adelaide from wobert's fine metropolis being Nhill for what will be the very last trip this year and be back home in time to blow the Froth off a few beers to see in the new year...or kiss the old one goodbye, wonder what dastardly deeds will occur during the next decade !

I was going to say I have my ticket in my hand but these days like most other things, I have it in / on my phone..Rolling Eyes

We will wait to see what eventuates with The Overland next year.

BigShunter.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I know that town really well, I had family living there for decades. And yes, it did make a difference - people actually preferred the bus because of the location of the stop right in the middle of the town where all the other local Horsham and Wimmera buses are.

Some things can't be gleaned from Google Earth, you actually have to have local knowledge.
don_dunstan

Don,
I haven't lived in Horsham but other places I've lived like Gladstone the station is in the far corner of the city, the bus stop for Brisbane however was more centralised. I never ever heard of anyone saying I'm catching the bus because its closer.

We all know the location for long-haul PT travel is almost pointless from the aspect of walking unless its basically within a block or 2 as otherwise you likely be driven to/from. Actually the only rural town I've ever lived within reasonable walking distance of longhaul PT with a bag was Gladstone as I lived 500m (via the oval and small creek crossing) from the airport, much to my mum's disgust when I walked her home Smile.  

Perhaps the fact there are count them 7 buses a weekday to Melb and only 2 trains a week (3 a few years back) to Mel may have a larger factor in deciding peoples modal choice of PT.

Anyway, if the people in Horsham prefer the bus because its 700m from the railway station which is still within the town then good luck to them and enjoy the bus, save the taxpayer the subsidy and let the Overland cease and no need to bother with a V/line rail option.
  greasyrhys Chief Commissioner

Location: MacDonald Park, SA
It has been a tad over a year since the Vics announced the funding to keep the overland running for 2019, surely this will very likely be the end of said train. Was a long time coming tbh, I won’t shed any tears if the curtain is lowered, today’s train is nothing but a cheap imitation on what was once a great journey.

Today’s train is just a cheap imitation on what was once a great service, a twice weekly service with only 4 passenger carriages is a far cry from 30 plus years ago when at least 10 carriages was the norm & a daily service.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

In extreme demand it was 17 cars.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
And 2 divisions  (trains) each way.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Death of a thousand cuts; 5 days a week, then 3 but more recently 2.

Journey Beyond says there's five trains left - tomorrow is fully booked.
Well more like a very slow strangulation, don.

So I have me ticket to travel back to Adelaide from wobert's fine metropolis being Nhill for what will be the very last trip this year and be back home in time to blow the Froth off a few beers to see in the new year...or kiss the old one goodbye, wonder what dastardly deeds will occur during the next decade !

I was going to say I have my ticket in my hand but these days like most other things, I have it in / on my phone..Rolling Eyes

We will wait to see what eventuates with The Overland next year.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
The metropolis is shrinking, newsagent about to fall over and disappear now.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
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Anyway, if the people in Horsham prefer the bus because its 700m from the railway station which is still within the town then good luck to them and enjoy the bus, save the taxpayer the subsidy and let the Overland cease and no need to bother with a V/line rail option.
RTT_Rules
Most other towns have their railway stations fairly central but Horsham Station has always been a tad too far from the business district, made more inaccessible by the fact that the Kalkee Road overpass at the end of the street which makes access by car and bus a bit of a nuisance since it effectively restricts ease of access to the main road from the station.

Added to this is the fact that the Horsham business district has been progressively moving south further away from the station. That process started with K-Mart and Woolies in the 1980's and more recently Aldi and Harvey Norman opening at the old stockyard location. This has seen a lot of empty shops at the north end of Firebrace Street and a lot of businesses move to the south and the west where there's easier car-parking; the main drag looks very sad indeed now-days particularly at the northern end where very few shops actually have tenants.

The Wimmera in general has lost about 10,000 residents from the four councils that comprise the district since the rail service left in 1993 so there's much less population to serve - it would be a nice idea particularly for tourism to bring a daily train service back but part of the problem is that there's even less of a population to serve than when the train was axed last time.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Only four services to Melbourne from Adelaide remaining - Journey Beyond says that the Friday 20/12 service is fully booked. The remaining ones on 23,27 and 30 December still have seats; still no bookings available beyond 30/12 and there's less than a fortnight to go.

You'd have to assume on that basis that it's finished.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Yep nothing loading at all for JAN2020

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