Ultima Container Siding and Hay Traffic

 
  Richard stroker Junior Train Controller

Qube also run the quarry train and metro works trains .

Is there enough reliable locomotives around to do all the heavy work?

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Just saw this posted on the TTV Facebook page

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/ultima-terminal-delivers-jobs-for-northern-victoria/?fbclid=IwAR2ojH-MTqWRWV3WRHbg5yroRH5bAou6yCqpyVV1jBiCNYlvqPiHGjW1jBM

As Shunter said you wouldn't invest $3.65 Million on a whim, a lot of research, planning and most importantly customer liason has obviously gone into this project. Too much to throw the baby out with the bathwater when VicGov failed to deliver the MBS project in full.
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
T,T & X31 were on the cement train today's so they are getting quite stretched. G512 is also doing crossing testing north of Bendigo. I wonder if the Deni rice had enough locos to run this week?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Very informative post BG, nice work.

A couple of interesting snippets of info in there;

Two trains a week currently service the Ultima facility, but it’s expected that will expand to three or four trains a week.

QUBE, Pentarch Agricultural and Pickering Transport invested $3.65 million in the facility.

Quotes attributable to QUBE Managing Director Maurice James

QUBE is proud to be delivering jobs for the Mallee and taking trucks off the road through our significant $3.65 million joint venture investment in the Ultima Intermodal Terminal.

“Already two trains a week are using this terminal to provide integrated rail solutions to the intermodal and bulk markets, and we hope to expand this when more local products become available later this summer.”


So looks like the trains are going to really be ramping things up, Pickering Transport is interesting one, seems they have an office in Swan Hill....Hmmm wonder what fingers in what pie these crew are looking at ? Also Qube being involved, the same could be said there !

Some very large transport companies there, could be quite an operation evolving here and I'd say there's been a big heap of research and development in this business.

It would also seem that they are intending on exporting grain so would appear containerised grain will be in the near future.

Back a few pages I wrote Ultima wasn't the end of the earth but in the general region and according the Wikipedia it's population in 2011 333 and 2016 down to 174 about half the people. This Intermadal coming to town will hopefully be a real boost for not only Ultima but the entire area. The local cafe, milkbar, pub servo ( if these still exist ) will all benefit greatly. Not too mention another very good market for the farmers of the area. There will certainly be an increase in traffic and people through and in town.

BigShunter.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
So looks like the trains are going to really be ramping things up, Pickering Transport is interesting one, seems they have an office in Swan Hill....Hmmm wonder what fingers in what pie these crew are looking at ? Also Qube being involved, the same could be said there !

Some very large transport companies there, could be quite an operation evolving here and I'd say there's been a big heap of research and development in this business.

It would also seem that they are intending on exporting grain so would appear containerised grain will be in the near future.

Back a few pages I wrote Ultima wasn't the end of the earth but in the general region and according the Wikipedia it's population in 2011 333 and 2016 down to 174 about half the people. This Intermadal coming to town will hopefully be a real boost for not only Ultima but the entire area. The local cafe, milkbar, pub servo ( if these still exist ) will all benefit greatly. Not too mention another very good market for the farmers of the area. There will certainly be an increase in traffic and people through and in town.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
What he said!

I'm not sure where the loading facility at Ultima is but being a very small town I would imagine it is a stones throw or 2 from the town itself, part of or near the other grain loading facilities.

I make it 33 km from the centre of Swanners to Ultima (according to Google maps). Considering that most of the transport firms are going to be out of town many would be 25km or thereabouts by road.

This move by Qube seems very clever insofar as it opens up that whole area around Swan Hill and further West without having to use the Piangil line with it's associated pax services and zero chance of getting gauge converted anytime soon.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
So this service is running at an escalated frequency, the Maryvale Paper train is showing no signs of slowing, the cement train is about to be extended to run from Dandenong to North Shore and the Deni Rice train is still going, albeit at a lesser frequency (for now).

Makes me wonder, will QUBE need to start investing in more freight wagons for the Broad Gauge?
Gman_86

It's all Daniel Andrew's fault Razz
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I am also hearing of potential traffic pairs between Colac and Morwell.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Broad Gauge on this and the Sea Lake line will exist for some years to come, forget about any conversion to SG in the forseeable future.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

The Wikipedia results could be census too. So in 2011 we had 333 people. In 2016 we had 174 people so we lost 159 people in 5 years  or 32 people a year. So since 2016 their should be not to many people living in town. I say we start fly in fly out of Ultima. But using battrie powered Australia made military drones. Scomo wants military investment. win win
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
And now it's officially opened.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/victoria-s-ultima-terminal-will-generate-millions-in-new-exports

With Pickering being involved I am hopeful their large freight hub at Robinvale may also get a look in and they also have a lot of business at Mildura.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
And now it's officially opened.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/victoria-s-ultima-terminal-will-generate-millions-in-new-exports

With Pickering being involved I am hopeful their large freight hub at Robinvale may also get a look in and they also have a lot of business at Mildura.
bevans
Uh, why do you think they picked Ultima?

Close proximity for short truck haul to the train......
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Ultima is a LOOONG way from Robinvale on goat tracks.
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

Ultima was chosen because it's the closest location on the (was meant to be SG) Manangatang line to Swan Hill.  Remember, Pickerings Transport are a stakeholder and user of the service.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Ultima is a LOOONG way from Robinvale on goat tracks.
bevans
Not particularly, 130 / 140k depending on which road. Bloody lot closer than carting containers to the POM ( nearly 500k ).

Probably around 4 4.5 hour round trip, Robinavale - Ultima unload and return, compared to a good 5 hrs to Melbourne and any guess on how long to wait to unload container/s, would be a very long drive/day.

The Ultima terminal is a far better option in my book.

BigShunter.
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
IDK I feel this is more of a local strategy.  If Robinvale is in the mix why not make a smaller terminal at Manangatang (probably using the ex Wakefield loading area)?

And if theyve got decent volumes out of Mildura, just build another terminal up there (and let flood the dogs of competition for rail freight)
  Greensleeves Chief Commissioner

Location: If it isn't obvious by now, it should be.
IDK I feel this is more of a local strategy.  If Robinvale is in the mix why not make a smaller terminal at Manangatang (probably using the ex Wakefield loading area)?

And if theyve got decent volumes out of Mildura, just build another terminal up there (and let flood the dogs of competition for rail freight)
james.au

Why bother with Manangatang when the Ultima siding is doing as well as it is currently? It's only 82k's from Manangatang to Ultima, a 57 minute drive by truck that can be done several times in a shift. It's more than just a local strategy given the quality of the sidings and works done there.

As for Mildura, where would you put it? The Wakefields site has three separate sidings that the 7901V/7902V has to be split into due to various level crossings preventing a single 1200 metre long hard stand. Then there's any planning issues, land acquisition etc. Yelta is being used as a storage siding to hold excess wagons as it is. And maybe, they just don't want full on competition with Wakefields/PN as opposed to garnering their own market?
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
IDK I feel this is more of a local strategy.  If Robinvale is in the mix why not make a smaller terminal at Manangatang (probably using the ex Wakefield loading area)?

And if theyve got decent volumes out of Mildura, just build another terminal up there (and let flood the dogs of competition for rail freight)

Why bother with Manangatang when the Ultima siding is doing as well as it is currently? It's only 82k's from Manangatang to Ultima, a 57 minute drive by truck that can be done several times in a shift. It's more than just a local strategy given the quality of the sidings and works done there.

As for Mildura, where would you put it? The Wakefields site has three separate sidings that the 7901V/7902V has to be split into due to various level crossings preventing a single 1200 metre long hard stand. Then there's any planning issues, land acquisition etc. Yelta is being used as a storage siding to hold excess wagons as it is. And maybe, they just don't want full on competition with Wakefields/PN as opposed to garnering their own market?
Greensleeves
Kind of my point exactly - Ultima is a local strategy to capture their own market there.
  SEMartin Chief Train Controller

Location: Canberra ACT
Ultima is a LOOONG way from Robinvale on goat tracks.
Not particularly, 130 / 140k depending on which road. Bloody lot closer than carting containers to the POM ( nearly 500k ).

Probably around 4 4.5 hour round trip, Robinavale - Ultima unload and return, compared to a good 5 hrs to Melbourne and any guess on how long to wait to unload container/s, would be a very long drive/day.

The Ultima terminal is a far better option in my book.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
I know I may be preaching to the choir here, but one of the key factors in the decision to consign intermodal freight on rail is the 'break point' of how far solo heavy vehicle drivers can drive before they run out of hours. The 4-4.5 hour round trip means that a driver could do two return runs between Robinvale-Ultima rather than one (at best) return run from Robinvale to PoM before hitting the legal '12 hours in 24' fatigue limit set by the NHVR.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Ultima is a LOOONG way from Robinvale on goat tracks.
Not particularly, 130 / 140k depending on which road. Bloody lot closer than carting containers to the POM ( nearly 500k ).

Probably around 4 4.5 hour round trip, Robinavale - Ultima unload and return, compared to a good 5 hrs to Melbourne and any guess on how long to wait to unload container/s, would be a very long drive/day.

The Ultima terminal is a far better option in my book.

BigShunter.
I know I may be preaching to the choir here, but one of the key factors in the decision to consign intermodal freight on rail is the 'break point' of how far solo heavy vehicle drivers can drive before they run out of hours. The 4-4.5 hour round trip means that a driver could do two return runs between Robinvale-Ultima rather than one return run from Robinvale to PoM before hitting the legal '12 hours in 24' fatigue limit set by the NHVR.
SEMartin

Exactly, setting up Ultima as a local hub rather than long throughhaul to Melbourne etc.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I know I may be preaching to the choir here, but one of the key factors in the decision to consign intermodal freight on rail is the 'break point' of how far solo heavy vehicle drivers can drive before they run out of hours. The 4-4.5 hour round trip means that a driver could do two return runs between Robinvale-Ultima rather than one (at best) return run from Robinvale to PoM before hitting the legal '12 hours in 24' fatigue limit set by the NHVR.
SEMartin
Good info SEM, I tip toed around the edges and you whacked the nail on the head.

When I was writing that, I was thinking 1 driver 2 round trips and wondering what truck combination may be run. A-Doubles  have been able to run in this area for quite some time. So it might just end up being a semi or B-Double, not sure about other trucking combinations and route to Ultima.

As for the hay operation, it would seem the bales of 8'x3'x4' seem to be the norm, a couple of these are compressed and strapped to fit into a container. They generally weigh 550 - 600kilo so a serious machine is required to carry out this operation.

Grain containers are tipped up on their end and filled from an over head hopper, 32ish tonne is the max weight, so again some serious machinery required.

It was stated that various grains where also intended to be exported, it wasn't said whether this will be bulk ( container ) or bagged and placed on pellets, if the latter once again another dedicated machine required.

So make no mistake, there is an extensive plant operating here, probably not many around that will carry out all these process' as well as having the rail siding.

BigShunter.
  cbinyon Train Controller

Location: London, England
The train is now back running via Bacchus Marsh despite it being said earlier in this thread the change was permanent via North Geelong. The brief BG flurry via Gheringhap is over.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Nice video

  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Well it's been a while since any info was posted here. Surfing the regular YouTube favorites last night and thought this well worth posting.

A great clip all round but focusing on the Ultima hay train, would seem quite a bit of produce coming off the DangerousDan gauge, pleasing to see.

I have listed just the hay train times if you want a fast version, very nice footage of different trains but the best shot of a very long train at 15:50, grab a cuppa and enjoy.

hay train times; 3:50, 9:20, 15:50*, 21:20, 22:45, 27:25, 30:30 showing some very shiny rails.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTAUhjE9z2g&t=199s

Thanks to Schony747 for the clip, well done.

BigShunter.
  Bonzel Locomotive Driver

Those clips you are referring Big S are of PN`s old broad gauge fruitee .
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Those clips you are referring Big S are of PN`s old broad gauge fruitee .
Bonzel
Thanks Graeme that's a bit embarrassing, cock up and a half there.........Embarassed just testing people and you've made the grade, well done.

BigShunter.

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