Inland railway Melbourne - Brisbane

 
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Why the heck did they build a level crossing in to a new piece of rail?
simstrain
Brolgan Rd will form an access to the PN Parkes Terminal but only a little local traffic would be coming from the West over this LXing, so lights, bells and booms is probably adequate, although I'd hate to be one of the locals heading into town and get stuck at the crossing while an 1800m long train slowly pulls in in/out of the yard.

What struck me is why did they build the crossing in mass concrete?  
They have created a fixed point that can't be lifted, let alone tamped.
Also, the track will develop a hole on each side of the crossing.
With low speeds it won't happen overnight, but it will happen, and it will be very difficult to do anything with.
Let's hope an underground spring doesn't decide to break to the surface right there!

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  UpperQuad Locomotive Fireman

Location: 184.8 miles to Sydney
Why the heck did they build a level crossing in to a new piece of rail?
What struck me is why did they build the crossing in mass concrete?  
Lockspike
There are hundreds of level crossings of this design throughout NSW, they are standard these days. Thank god Railpage experts aren’t working on projects like this - Brolgan Road would have a $2 million overpass to take five cars a day to the next level crossing.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Mud holes to ski jumps.Rolling Eyes
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Why the heck did they build a level crossing in to a new piece of rail?
What struck me is why did they build the crossing in mass concrete?  
There are hundreds of level crossings of this design throughout NSW, they are standard these days. Thank god Railpage experts aren’t working on projects like this - Brolgan Road would have a $2 million overpass to take five cars a day to the next level crossing.
UpperQuad

Yes and in NSW we are trying to get rid of them all. If there is going to be a major intermodal then it is going to have more then five cars a day going across that crossing.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

There are hundreds of level crossings of this design throughout NSW, they are standard these days. Thank god Railpage experts aren’t working on projects like this - Brolgan Road would have a $2 million overpass to take five cars a day to the next level crossing.
UpperQuad
True, there are many such concrete crossings, unfortunately. But many crossings in the last (say) 25yrs have been made with removable road surface segments in concrete, rubber or steel chequer plate. The beauty of these is that they can be lifted out to allow track maintenance, then replaced; can be completed in a few hours
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Why the heck did they build a level crossing in to a new piece of rail?
What struck me is why did they build the crossing in mass concrete?  
There are hundreds of level crossings of this design throughout NSW, they are standard these days. Thank god Railpage experts aren’t working on projects like this - Brolgan Road would have a $2 million overpass to take five cars a day to the next level crossing.

Yes and in NSW we are trying to get rid of them all. If there is going to be a major intermodal then it is going to have more then five cars a day going across that crossing.
simstrain

Yes LX are evil, people die and should be avoided if possible, but many never will be and there are other ways to help reduce the risk other than dropping Billions into it over night especially if the train speed is low and the visibility is good.

If the crossing is frequented by heavy vehicles then these so called professional drivers need protection from themselves as well as those on the train, what ever that entails.
  UpperQuad Locomotive Fireman

Location: 184.8 miles to Sydney
True, there are many such concrete crossings, unfortunately. But many crossings in the last (say) 25yrs have been made with removable road surface segments in concrete, rubber or steel chequer plate. The beauty of these is that they can be lifted out to allow track maintenance, then replaced; can be completed in a few hours
Lockspike
Removable plate types also require maintenance, and many have been replaced or sealed over in recent years.
  5915 Chief Commissioner

Final alignment for the QLD section of IRP (Inland Rail Project) have been taken to affected landholders ahead of publication.  Changes now could still occur subject to environmental impact assessments and/or State Government directives.  

5915
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Now it seems we have an inquiry

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/inland-rail-under-microscope-from-inquiry
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Interestingly this was released at 0101 E.D.T. (0001 E.S.T.) this morning.

For some reason, the "Insert Link" tab has been broken for the last couple of days.



https://youtu.be/MByWaHFoOhM

Edit: It appears that it doesn't matter that you don't use the "Insert Link" tab.
  neillfarmer Chief Train Controller

That looks all very nice but when will they build it?
  62440 Chief Commissioner

True, there are many such concrete crossings, unfortunately. But many crossings in the last (say) 25yrs have been made with removable road surface segments in concrete, rubber or steel chequer plate. The beauty of these is that they can be lifted out to allow track maintenance, then replaced; can be completed in a few hours
Removable plate types also require maintenance, and many have been replaced or sealed over in recent years.
UpperQuad
I remember we installed a modular crossing nearly 40 years ago. The ballasted track and formation just ran through and it was a simple matter to lift the panels out and run the tamper through, only closing the road for a few minutes. Damaged road panels could be quickly replaced.
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
That looks all very nice but when will they build it?
neillfarmer
This might help.



https://youtu.be/Jq7Sx2uCfXg




https://youtu.be/sRT8Bo6aMnU
  Carnot Chief Commissioner

The tinfoil hat brigade are out in full force against Inland rail.

The latest mad conspiracy theory is that the Govt are starting the bushfires so it's easier to build it.  These are the people that vote for Fraser Anning and similar whackos.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The tinfoil hat brigade are out in full force against Inland rail.

The latest mad conspiracy theory is that the Govt are starting the bushfires so it's easier to build it.  These are the people that vote for Fraser Anning and similar whackos.
Carnot
Yeah, the western plains vegetation is so intense that you need a bush first so as to be able to run a bull dozer through it.

Idiots!
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Track&Signal magazine has an article with some aerial photos of the new track near the Brolgan Road West junction.
The turnouts near that level xing are high speed types,  though the exact speeds are not specified.

See T+S V23 N4,
  Jack Le Lievre Chief Train Controller

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Inland Rail: Calvert to Kagaru fly through



https://youtu.be/Mzk23BtpICk
  james.au Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney, NSW
Why have they made the imagery look like it is flooded??
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
Why have they made the imagery look like it is flooded??
"james.au"
The bloke left his coloured pencils at home. He got a week's detention.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  C2 Junior Train Controller

In relation to Bingley Hall and Neil's remarks mid year. Would now be a time to announce stimulus with Inland by building Illabo to Stockinbingal section and double stack Somerton Parkes. PN and SCT can build yards around Donnybrook. Would any poli want to announce this, with SA spending 20 mill on Hills by pass why with this.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner

Nothing is being spent on the 'hills bypass' (Globelink) proposal in SA, it has been cancelled.
  C2 Junior Train Controller

"Taxpayers are on the hook for $20 million to investigate whether the GlobeLink freight plan stacks up," a quote from Adelaide now from a month ago available in News under South Australia. Good as spent I would say. Work together Australians stop wasting money.
  awsgc24 Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney
Why the heck did they build a level crossing in to a new piece of rail?
A) Brolgan Rd will form an access to the PN Parkes Terminal but only a little local traffic would be coming from the West over this LXing, so lights, bells and booms is probably adequate, although I'd hate to be one of the locals heading into town and get stuck at the crossing while an 1800m long train slowly pulls in in/out of the yard.

B) What struck me is why did they build the level crossing in mass concrete?  
They have created a fixed point that can't be lifted, let alone tamped.

C) Also, the track will develop a hole on each side of the crossing.
With low speeds it won't happen overnight, but it will happen, and it will be very difficult to do anything with.

D) Let's hope an underground spring doesn't decide to break to the surface right there!
Lockspike
According to photos in "Track & Signal" magazine (V23 N4 p36) , turnouts between the yards and main line are highspeed types, say 1 in 18 V-crossings. Entry speed into the yard may be restricted due to low speed signalling, while departure speed is not restricted in any way. No manually operated Ground Frames Smile So departing trains are quicker than normal over the join. There are no sharp Reverse Curves.

At Glenfield tunnel there massed concrete in the tunnel adjoins ballasted track. To provide a smoother transition two addition checkrails overlap the concrete/ballast joint, providing a smoother join. B) This seems to be done at Brolgan Road West,

C) The distance between the Level Crossing and the nearest two turnouts maybe about 20m, leaving some room to tamp the ballasted track, while leaving the concrete slab alone.

D) There are some large new culverts quite close to the Brolgan Road Lxing, which might be used to divert any spring water.

E) Overall, the tracks near Brolgan Road look to be carefully designed.
  ozibob Assistant Commissioner

Location: Parkes Australia

According to photos in "Track & Signal" magazine (V23 N4 p36) , turnouts between the yards and main line are highspeed types, say 1 in 18 V-crossings. Entry speed into the yard may be restricted due to low speed signalling, while departure speed is not restricted in any way. No manually operated Ground Frames https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif So departing trains are quicker than normal over the join. There are no sharp Reverse Curves.


The Points are restricted to 25kph at the moment but with it classified as a yard/terminal all movements are 15kph.
All this will probably change once artc take back the main line( currently leased to PN)
All points in the yard area are currently had operated but are in place to be done electrically as inland rail progresses.

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