50 level crossings to be removed

 
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
The Government has just released the Business Case for the LX Removal Program.  283 out of 284 pages are fully redacted.

What an absolute joke.  So much for transparent government.  Are they any different from East Germany circa 1980?

https://parliament.vic.gov.au/file_uploads/Document_13_-_LXRP_Program_Business_Case_Redacted_6znGQ1sQ.PDF
Carnot
This smacks of laziness. Somebody clearly thought it was easier and quicker to just blank out every page rather than do the job properly. Is the title page and the "This page is left intentionally blank" page now considered a threat to state security?

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

The Government has just released the Business Case for the LX Removal Program.  283 out of 284 pages are fully redacted.

What an absolute joke.  So much for transparent government.  Are they any different from East Germany circa 1980?

https://parliament.vic.gov.au/file_uploads/Document_13_-_LXRP_Program_Business_Case_Redacted_6znGQ1sQ.PDF
This smacks of laziness. Somebody clearly thought it was easier and quicker to just blank out every page rather than do the job properly. Is the title page and the "This page is left intentionally blank" page now considered a threat to state security?
TheMeddlingMonk
Hilariously, the business case is available on the LXRP website (albeit with some "Commerical in Confidence Redaction"):
https://parliament.vic.gov.au/file_uploads/Document_13_-_LXRP_Program_Business_Case_Redacted_6znGQ1sQ.PDF

What a PR stuff-up!  The ABC comedy "Utopia" doesn't need to look very far for more scripts....
  TheMeddlingMonk Deputy Commissioner

Location: The Time Vortex near Melbourne, Australia
The Government has just released the Business Case for the LX Removal Program.  283 out of 284 pages are fully redacted.

What an absolute joke.  So much for transparent government.  Are they any different from East Germany circa 1980?

https://parliament.vic.gov.au/file_uploads/Document_13_-_LXRP_Program_Business_Case_Redacted_6znGQ1sQ.PDF
This smacks of laziness. Somebody clearly thought it was easier and quicker to just blank out every page rather than do the job properly. Is the title page and the "This page is left intentionally blank" page now considered a threat to state security?
Hilariously, the business case is available on the LXRP website (albeit with some "Commerical in Confidence Redaction"):
https://parliament.vic.gov.au/file_uploads/Document_13_-_LXRP_Program_Business_Case_Redacted_6znGQ1sQ.PDF

What a PR stuff-up!  The ABC comedy "Utopia" doesn't need to look very far for more scripts....
Carnot
I think this was the page you were referring to:
https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/publications/general-publication-program-business-case

What is even more telling is that this was published back in May 2017!
  justarider Deputy Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Oh get a grip people.
Just a computer snafoo that wont be fixed until somebody brings to the attention of the Parliament librarian. Bleating on RP doesn't work.

cheers
John
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Received a "2019 end of year update" from my, very low, profile state (Lib) MP "delivering for our community".
She complains about lack of consultation about the LXRP works planned for Mooroolbark and Lilydale, being a rushed job. Rushed? They were announced in 2014 and won't start until 2020. If she thinks 6 years is a rush I think I understand why nothing happened in Napthine's government. She is very vague about what she thinks should happen, apart from more parking at Lilydale, but as this thread, and others, have discussed "skyrail", as she insists on calling it, is virtually the only real option that would work at Lilydale, due to the grade on the up.
She wants a station adjacent to the former Cave Hill quarry, currently being back-filled and levelled for a new housing estate, as well as fixing the single lane underpass beneath the rail line at Hull & Mooroolbark Rd intersection. In my opinion, a station at the peak of the grade is closer to Lilydale than is warranted. Better to put it on the down side of the previously mentioned intersection, being more equidistant from existing stations and lots of already existing housing immediately adjacent and still next to the edge of this new estate.
Unsurprisingly, she tows the party line of needing the East West link to get her constituents "home sooner", as if that'll happen.
I do find it interesting that she's all for these things, in what is, now only a, relatively safe Liberal seat, when her party had plenty of time to do something about it, but didn't. If you take the time each party has been in government since Kennett won, they both come out at about 13 years; go back to Cain Jr/Kirner and ALP holds sway by 8 years but go back further and, apart from Cain Seniors term, the Libs have dominated Victoria.

Neil
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Received a "2019 end of year update" from my, very low, profile state (Lib) MP "delivering for our community".
She complains about lack of consultation about the LXRP works planned for Mooroolbark and Lilydale, being a rushed job. Rushed? They were announced in 2014 and won't start until 2020. If she thinks 6 years is a rush I think I understand why nothing happened in Napthine's government. She is very vague about what she thinks should happen, apart from more parking at Lilydale, but as this thread, and others, have discussed "skyrail", as she insists on calling it, is virtually the only real option that would work at Lilydale, due to the grade on the up.

Neil
ngarner
Lack of consultation?  From an email received from the LXRP on November 8th:

"In August [at a previous drop-in session] you told us what was most important to you.  Visual amenity and open space were among the most important, as well as construction impacts, accessibility, commuter car parking and public safety.  Your feedback helped us to progress the designs and now we want to hear from you again.  You're invited to provide feedback on:

  • How you want to use the activity zones
  • The look and feel of the new stations
  • Landscaping and planting
  • Station connectivity  

Your feedback will help further refine the project design while we work to appoint a construction partner in the coming months.  Join us at our community drop-in sessions [in November] to see the designs and share your ideas with our team.  Can't make it?  Share your ideas at our online engagement hub."
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
What a waste if they don't covert the island platform. All they would then have to do is put in an overpass which they would have to do anyway.
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: Gheringhap Loop Autonomous Zone
She wants a station adjacent to the former Cave Hill quarry, currently being back-filled and levelled for a new housing estate, as well as fixing the single lane underpass beneath the rail line at Hull & Mooroolbark Rd intersection. In my opinion, a station at the peak of the grade is closer to Lilydale than is warranted. Better to put it on the down side of the previously mentioned intersection, being more equidistant from existing stations and lots of already existing housing immediately adjacent and still next to the edge of this new estate.
Unsurprisingly, she tows the party line of needing the East West link to get her constituents "home sooner", as if that'll happen.
ngarner
A station at the Cave Hill/David Mitchell Estate Quarry(now being marketed as the 'Kinley' housing estate) is needed is because otherwise the plans to have medium-density residential and mixed-use development in a mini town-centre near the railway line won't work. Dense urban development requires good public transport connections and the train line is ideally located to deliver that for Kinley. It is frankly idiotic for the Victorian Government to budget to remove the Maroondah Hwy Lilydale level crossing but not also duplicate the track between Mooroolbark and Lilydale. It would be far cheaper overall to do the duplication and build the new station while the level crossing removal is underway instead of ~10 years into the future. Removing single-track sections of track on the Metro network should be a higher priority than level crossing removals as they are a far bigger obstacle to increasing service reliability and frequencies.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

From what I can gather it willbe skyrail down into the old Lilydale rail yards, what is left of the crossing will be just that the Maroondah Hwt, similar set up as Mernda railway yards.
  GoldenGirl Locomotive Fireman

Re Hallam Rd

I am surprised that it is not a road over solution.  There is a lot of land for construction beside the existing crossing, from memory, most of the surrounds are a service road, rail carpark and access, light industrial factories and a sex shop - not residential etc.  This solution will build a bridge (rail) which is longer, a new station with two platforms (if you can trust the artistic views) and not an island, for seemingly little improved amenities.

I agree that the road needs duplication as it is already north and south of the crossing.
Found this article which confirms future duplication of Hallam Road.

Ross

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Designs revealed for Hallam Road level crossing project

An artist's impression of the future elevated rail bridge over Hallam
Road. Image: LXRP.
Staff Writer
October 1, 2019

The design for the rail bridge that will replace the Hallam Road level
crossing in Melbourne’s south east has been revealed.

Site investigations and engineering assessments have determined that the
rail bridge design is the best way to remove the level crossing, which
currently sees 20,000 vehicles travel through the crossing each day.

The crossing boom gates are reportedly down for more than a third of the
two-hour morning peak and delays are expected to increase over time as
more trains run on the Pakenham line in the future.

State transport minister Jacinta Allan said the rail bridge design will
minimise disruption to road and rail users and enable the final section
of Hallam Road to be duplicated in the future.

“Building the rail bridge will get people home sooner and safer in one
of the fastest growing communities,” said Allan.

Other designs were ruled out due a high-water table, an increased flood
risk and impacts to the Hallam Main Drain. Alternatives would also
reportedly take a year longer to construct, require compulsory
acquisition of businesses, and have permanent impacts to the station’s
car park and bus stops.

The project will also see the construction of a new elevated Hallam
Station, featuring upgraded facilities and improved pedestrian and
cycling connections around the station precinct.

Upgrades to the Pakenham line have seen nine level crossings removed so
far, with another eight planned.

Works on the Hallam level crossing are planned to get underway in 2020,
while the level crossing itself is to be removed in 2022.
Rossco T
The most important thing to pay attention to here is the statement about a high water table. The Hallam station sits in the flood plain of Troups Creek and the Hallam Main Drain. This makes putting the railway under the road a bad idea, as the drain comes close to flooding on a regular basis and does not drain away very effectively. I am sure this is a main reason driving the elevated solution.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

An interesting detail I read today: Bonbeach station is moving 180m south (essentially to the opposite side of Bondi Rd), so that the station doesn't need to be the full 7m deep.  The new station will only be "a few" metres below the current level.  I'm wondering how much of a hump they'll put in Bondi Rd to make the track there not be so deep either.

Edithvale will move 170m north, for the same reason.

This is due to the groundwater flows at both locations (and probably also the simple fact that a 7m deep concrete bath below sea level, only 100m from the beach, is a terrible idea).

Chelsea I think is staying where it currently is.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Well as far as through passengers and vehicles are concerned, Reservoir is done and dusted.

Still lots to do on the station itself and around the entire precinct, proper stairs, lifts, buildings etc. but the design looks flashy.

Tell you what though, that is one long bridge they've built there. Heading towards the city once the train is up it seems to take ages before actually arriving into the station. Seems like they took the opportunity to widen the road footprint underneath as part of the job.
  loopy Locomotive Driver

Travelled through the new Reservoir sky rail today, and discovered 2 things:

#1 Both the up and down ends now have crossovers [Reservoir P1 to Ruthven P2, Reservoir P2 to Regent P1], never did I ever receive ANY knowledge of this until travelling through it

#2 It's the first LXRA station to have the new [less detailed] PID's as opposed to the more detailed ones with all the stations on them
  loopy Locomotive Driver

Travelled through the new Reservoir sky rail today, and discovered 2 things:

#1 Both the up and down ends now have crossovers [Reservoir P1 to Ruthven P2, Reservoir P2 to Regent P1], never did I ever receive ANY knowledge of this until travelling through it

#2 It's the first LXRA station to have the new [less detailed] PID's as opposed to the more detailed ones with all the stations on them
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Travelled through the new Reservoir sky rail today, and discovered 2 things:

#2 It's the first LXRA station to have the new [less detailed] PID's as opposed to the more detailed ones with all the stations on them
loopy


Different to these ones?
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Travelled through the new Reservoir sky rail today, and discovered 2 things:

#1 Both the up and down ends now have crossovers [Reservoir P1 to Ruthven P2, Reservoir P2 to Regent P1], never did I ever receive ANY knowledge of this until travelling through it
loopy
No doubt will be helpful as part of the upcoming works to remove the Preston area crossings. Trains can run Mernda right in to Reservoir then once the new bus interchange is finished, that will be the staging point for train replacement.

Maybe they got put in (funded) once those other projects were announced? Crossovers are always useful Laughing!
  loopy Locomotive Driver

Yes different to those ones

When they have the Mernda line shutdown for Bell and Preston station crossings, they'll shut the line between Clifton Hill and Reservoir

The crossover is closer to Ruthven so hopefully trains can terminate P2 there to go back to Flinders Street

And when it comes to announcements and funding for new crossovers, I already know about Anstey before the fact, Reservoir I knew after the fact
  potatoinmymouth Chief Commissioner

Crossovers are always useful!
LeroyW
Tell that to Metro management who’ve spent the last 10 years removing them like their lives (profits) depend on it...
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Travelled through the new Reservoir sky rail today, and discovered 2 things:

#2 It's the first LXRA station to have the new [less detailed] PID's as opposed to the more detailed ones with all the stations on them


Different to these ones?
John.Z
Yes, the newer, dumbed-down PIDs have the destination in a gigantic font size with no room for anything else besides a scrolling display of the stopping pattern, making them nothing more than a much more expensive clone of the orange LED ones we've had for 20-odd years, and of course the older signs went straight to the tip instead of being installed at other stations which have none at all. The Lilydale/Belgrave line is full of the newer signs (the only station I can think of with the type shown in the photo is Heatherdale).
  ngarner Assistant Commissioner

Location: Seville
Travelled through the new Reservoir sky rail today, and discovered 2 things:

#2 It's the first LXRA station to have the new [less detailed] PID's as opposed to the more detailed ones with all the stations on them


Different to these ones?
and of course the older signs went straight to the tip instead of being installed at other stations which have none at all.
Heihachi_73
Continuing the grand old tradition of the VR, where money was spent upgrading lines or places that were destined for the axe within 18 months.

Neil
  loopy Locomotive Driver

I was agreeing too Heihachi_73 about the new PID's being clones of the orange ones, the only slight additions are the time [hour and minute, not seconds] and how long for one extra train [more detailed ones have three extras]. Mitcham has more detailed ones, Boronia, Westall and Springvale did have the detailed ones, but reverted to the less detailed ones. East Richmond P1 and Blackburn P3 have them whereas P1/P2 BBN and ERM P2 still have orange ones
  Goose13 Station Master

Location: Having a sook about Southern cross's western wall
https://flic.kr/p/2i2c3NW

Something additionally intresting that I havn't noticed at other new stations (though it may well be present) Is the use of a (bolted?) rubber lip at the platform edge; seems to line up better than most platforms do with the train with a minimal platform to train gap. ~The photo isn't great but you can make it out on the lower right side.
  LeroyW Junior Train Controller

Location: Awaiting MM2
Something additionally intresting that I havn't noticed at other new stations (though it may well be present) Is the use of a (bolted?) rubber lip at the platform edge; seems to line up better than most platforms do with the train with a minimal platform to train gap. ~The photo isn't great but you can make it out on the lower right side.
Goose13
I think it may now be a standard device at new stations, positioned (from what I have seen) at each end of the train to line up with mobility impared access points.
Tell you what though, makes a very smooth exit for able bodies passengers as well, along with people pushing prams and trollies etc.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Baby steps in the safe seats of the outer east, but at least it's something. What are the odds that it's still single track and two trains an hour at the end of the decade though? If Lilydale does end up duplicated, we also need to at least get a second track on the Belgrave line to Upper Ferntree Gully (if not Upwey) for even half a chance at a decent service on the Burnley group, especially if the 19th century practice of running branch line shuttle services is to remain. If the Belgrave line is duplicated to Upper Ferntree Gully, Belgrave trains will probably still be every half an hour but with decent signalling, timetabling and half a brain, additional trains could run to UFG in between the full-distance services much like Hurstbridge/Eltham and Sunbury/Watergardens until the government coughs up the rest to duplicate the rest of the Belgrave line (I wouldn't expect Ashburton-Alamein but who knows - Wattle Glen and Hurstbridge will probably beat the Belgrave/Lilydale line to 10-minute trains!)

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