Boris Johnson - New British PM

 
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Aaron,
Staying up all night to watch an electronic election for another country? I think you need to find another hobby.Laughing
RTT_Rules
Psephology: even rail fans think it's weird.

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  davesvline Chief Commissioner

Location: 1983-1998
Well they’ve made their bed, now they can get the F on with it. Sick of hearing about Brexit.

Regards
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The Left need to remember that pursuing agendas that undermine traditional family values will kill them at the polls.

In appeasing the woke Twitterati, it puts them offside of both much of the working class and ethnic groups.
Carnot

Which family values agendas are you talking about? Bear in mind before answering that the right has been in power in the UK for 10 years and here for 6 plus any undermining of family values during that period is surely down to the right?

I'll do my best Boris Johnson impersonation here. Traditional family values and the working class......surely yor 'avin a larf?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The Left need to remember that pursuing agendas that undermine traditional family values will kill them at the polls.

In appeasing the woke Twitterati, it puts them offside of both much of the working class and ethnic groups.

Which family values agendas are you talking about? Bear in mind before answering that the right has been in power in the UK for 10 years and here for 6 plus any undermining of family values during that period is surely down to the right?

I'll do my best Boris Johnson impersonation here. Traditional family values and the working class......surely yor 'avin a larf?
bingley hall

This was previously forwarded to me, not sure how true it is but I'll take it as valid for now.

.The party's economic policies, which would represent one of the most radical assaults on capitalism seen in a major western economy, include nationalising the rail, utility and water companies, confiscating 10 per cent of big companies' shares, a move to a four-day week and higher taxes on the wealthy.

Nationalising utilities, Sounds great for hard line socialists, but even most working class people acknowledge the problems with this ideology in the past. Fat, bureaucratic gov departments

Taking 10% of large company shares, that's theft in anyones book and evidence that the UK LP cannot fund its own policies. Define Large company and we all know govts get hooked on new taxes and expect the goal posts to move.

4 day week, yah the catch cry to the dumb which will destroy the UK economy if wages are not expected to drop 20%. Fortunately the majority of UK voters are not that dumb.

"Tax the wealthy", another catch cry for the lower income earners. Its probably not a wrong statement, but its mixed with so much BS it just seen as another threat against average income earners and again "define wealthy".


  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@RTT_Rules Re-Nationalising the Railways would not be such a bad thing considering the Dutch and German National railways run some of the franchises in the UK. Britain pays the highest fares on the continent and the franchising system is so fragmented that it is broken.

The UK or rather England must get away from forelock tugging. Austerity measures that unequally affect the poor and yet 0.5 billion can be found to renovate Buck house and taxpayers were going to bankroll Princess Beatrice's wedding.

Much as I dislike Corbyn, Boris Johnson and his merry band of complete a...holes isn't what the UK needs. To think that Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dominic Raab will have the interests of the working class at heart, is naive to the extreme.

Michael
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Aaron,
Staying up all night to watch an electronic election for another country? I think you need to find another hobby.Laughing
 Personally couldn't give a rats. Seems more about 'Rule Britannia', unable to accept that ship sunk along time ago.
I do wish Scotland well though!
Groundrelay
And Northern Island for that matter as well. First time there has been a nationalist majority in Northern Island. How much longer will this kingdom remain united?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
The Left need to remember that pursuing agendas that undermine traditional family values will kill them at the polls.

In appeasing the woke Twitterati, it puts them offside of both much of the working class and ethnic groups.

Which family values agendas are you talking about? Bear in mind before answering that the right has been in power in the UK for 10 years and here for 6 plus any undermining of family values during that period is surely down to the right?

I'll do my best Boris Johnson impersonation here. Traditional family values and the working class......surely yor 'avin a larf?

This was previously forwarded to me, not sure how true it is but I'll take it as valid for now.

.The party's economic policies, which would represent one of the most radical assaults on capitalism seen in a major western economy, include nationalising the rail, utility and water companies, confiscating 10 per cent of big companies' shares, a move to a four-day week and higher taxes on the wealthy.

Nationalising utilities, Sounds great for hard line socialists, but even most working class people acknowledge the problems with this ideology in the past. Fat, bureaucratic gov departments

Taking 10% of large company shares, that's theft in anyones book and evidence that the UK LP cannot fund its own policies. Define Large company and we all know govts get hooked on new taxes and expect the goal posts to move.

4 day week, yah the catch cry to the dumb which will destroy the UK economy if wages are not expected to drop 20%. Fortunately the majority of UK voters are not that dumb.

"Tax the wealthy", another catch cry for the lower income earners. Its probably not a wrong statement, but its mixed with so much BS it just seen as another threat against average income earners and again "define wealthy".
RTT_Rules
Lets just ignore how life expectancy has fallen in parts of the UK with Wages stagnating along with the NHS being gutted by the current government over the past few Years, probably about to be fully privatised.

The Rest of this post is just neo-liberal rubbish that you have been sprouting for years now about nationalising and planned economies. Next you'll be sprouting like a libertarian that Taxation is Theft.

I do not expect things to improve for the average Joe with this reelected government.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Aaron,
Staying up all night to watch an electronic election for another country? I think you need to find another hobby.Laughing
 Personally couldn't give a rats. Seems more about 'Rule Britannia', unable to accept that ship sunk along time ago.
I do wish Scotland well though!
And Northern Island for that matter as well. First time there has been a nationalist majority in Northern Island. How much longer will this kingdom remain united?
It is Northern Ireland. I did hint the there is a shift. Virtually all Nationalist and and a significant number of Moderate Loyalists voted to remain.

I wish Scotland the best of luck. Nicola Sturgeon is a thousand times the politician and person that the lying muppet BoJo will ever be.

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

It’s very early in the morning in Poland and I have been up all night watching the numbers. Before going to bed I asked my wife what she thought was going to happen, she reckoned it would be a strong Tory vote to leave. Even Polish grandma (the only person I know to have lived pre communism, through communism and post communism yet still believe communism was better - but she was a VERY privileged communist) thinks Britain will be better off for leaving.

That’s right, a person who would still support communism today, and speaks only ‘hello’ in English, gets her info from strongly pro Europe Polish TV is a supporter of Boris Johnson - or at least what he wants to do in regards to leaving Europe.
Aaron
Yeah Aaron, they can say that. But like so many, they have not given an evidence based reason as to why Britain will be better off when every UK Govt Treasury indicator states that the UK economy will shrink anything from 2% to 8 %. But hell your Polish Grandma reckons....

Boris Johnson is a no mark of the highest order, a man of little integrity who was a remainer but went to leave because that was the only way he could assume the leadership of the Conservative Party.

Boris Johnson is a man who would kick you in the nuts and say that your willy did it. Britain is in for a torrid time. I hope I am wrong.


Michael
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Lets just ignore how life expectancy has fallen in parts of the UK with Wages stagnating along with the NHS being gutted by the current government over the past few Years, probably about to be fully privatised.

The Rest of this post is just neo-liberal rubbish that you have been sprouting for years now about nationalising and planned economies. Next you'll be sprouting like a libertarian that Taxation is Theft.

I do not expect things to improve for the average Joe with this reelected government.
Dangersdan707
Ignore "life expectancy", its pretty much consistent up unless you count a small 0.4 year drop in last few years, but at 81 years still nearly 2 years more than USA.

Wages have stagnated across most of the western economies, fortunately inflation has as well, being most lower than wages growth. Ironically UK wages growth is around 3% having been rising the last few years, so what other rubbish do you intend to share?

As I said before, I don't agree with Brexit, but 3 years of stuffing around with Brexit is not helping economy and not surprisingly BJ's reelection has seen the GBP rise unsurprisingly.

UK debt as % of GDP has doubled from 2010 (48%) to over 83% and now back to 81%. Obviously as you are hard core socialist debt is not important to you, but ignore that for a minute. In a country with rising wages, GDP etc etc, how much more debt should they take on? Remember Greece is around 170% of GDP, or is this still not high enough for you to care?

The NHS is very much unlikely to be privatised, lets leave the Mediscare type campaigns to Australian LP who have harped on about this at every election since Medicare was implemented and yet....As many a UK NHS employee will tell you, the biggest threat to the NHS is actually the abuse its gets from the people.

If BJ follows through with some of his policies and comments, he will be blocking access to the UK for unskilled migrants and other that has impacted on lowering wages and removing trade issues caused by being an EU member.

The ALP support team including many here were blaming the Australian public for getting it wrong in May. BJ went to the people and the people swept the floor of the likes of Corbyn just wanting BJ to get on with Brexit and back to running the country. Corbyn wouldn't even declare his position of Brexit (if its sounds familiar then think Shorten and Aldani)  in an election about Brexit, so please don't again be blaming the voter for getting it wrong, again. Its about time the Labour/Labor parties started to listen to the people and not their often outdated ideology.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@RTT_Rules I agree. Jeremy Corban was an MP when I was 19. He werent much chop then and he isnt now. However the gap between rich and poor is worsening under Tory austerity which is making the UK the most unequal country in Western Europe.

Lets hope Boris Will get he deal across which although isnt great is better than no deal.

Michael
From the Brit's I know and associate with they will tell you why the gap is increasing, immigration from lower income countries competing against each other to do the jobs the Brit's in general don't want to do and willing to lower their standard of living to get the work.

Think Australia, there was a time a migrant could come and and join the long list of labour intensive jobs that Aussies were becoming too good for and/or lack of available labour. Snowy Scheme being the classic example. I also remember as a kid the Italian track gangs in Sydney, not speaking English and the Pacific islanders building the tracks in NW WA, Qld coal mines and SG up to Alice. Again manual labour in hot remote locations. Then we have the usual council workers etc etc etc. Today, those jobs are gone. So they are competing for the reducing number of lower paid jobs that immigrants can do without good English and/or recognized education. Typically ending up as drivers these days.

The bulk of the Brexit argument is based stopping the flow of unskilled and low skilled migrants, mostly Polish, Romanian, Pakistani, Indian, various African nations and to be honest with this I totally agree with. Western countries like UK and Aust have almost no demand for migrants who cannot do middle white collar or higher skilled blue collar jobs. We don't need more taxi drivers, bus drivers, truck drivers etc and in a few years these jobs will start to evaporate as well thanks to autonomous driving and other technologies.

The UK also have very friendly migration policies vs Australia, for example children born in Australia are only entitled to Aussie Citizenship if one of their parents has a PR, Citizenship or after 10 years and even then it doesn't extend to the parents. I'm aware of Pakistani's in Dubai who flew or planned to fly to UK when their wife is heavily pregnant simply to get citizenship.

Also remember the UK was never equal and always had a legacy of Lord over servant, where as most of Western Europe dumped their Monachy's and associated feudal systems into obscurity decades ago and what remains is a tiny fraction of the what the UK has retained.

As for austerity, sooner or later you have to learn to live off your own income, something most of the EU is struggling to come to terms with. Can we repeat the words, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Ireland...........
RTT_Rules
So the widening gap has got nothing to do with the Stagnation of Wages across the board except for the very top and Austerity measures that this rancid Tory Government has put in place. Yeah lets blame it all on the migrant.

I don't know where you got that immigration piece about Pakistanis, but to say that they can just fly to the UK to get Citizenship is simply not true. You must have lived in the UK for 12 months after Permanent Residence has been granted to apply for Citizenship and you must prove that you have had 5 years continuous residency of the UK.

Brexit is not going to make a blind bit of difference as regards to Non-EU migrants. As the UK was not in Schengen any such migration is subject to the UK Government and it alone. As regards to EU freedom of movement, the UK could have invoked the Citizens Charter, which EU migrants would have to prove that they have a job or that they can fund themselves or they have to leave after 90 days. Like what the Germans have done, the French, the Belgians, the Dutch, the Danes. But the UK Government chose not to enforce such a rule.


Michael
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
@RTT_Rules Re-Nationalising the Railways would not be such a bad thing considering the Dutch and German National railways run some of the franchises in the UK. Britain pays the highest fares on the continent and the franchising system is so fragmented that it is broken.

The UK or rather England must get away from forelock tugging. Austerity measures that unequally affect the poor and yet 0.5 billion can be found to renovate Buck house and taxpayers were going to bankroll Princess Beatrice's wedding.

Much as I dislike Corbyn, Boris Johnson and his merry band of complete a...holes isn't what the UK needs. To think that Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dominic Raab will have the interests of the working class at heart, is naive to the extreme.

Michael
mejhammers1
I'm not overly against Govt Monopoly's but don't think we are going back to the dark old days of a heavily unionised work force doing as they want. It will be Govt Leadership with contracting out left right and centre everything from Ops to IT.

The fares have been set by the govt and if I recall were never cheap before. The higher fares in London means the Tube runs around 50% subsidy if I recall, so probably about right.

The UK Royal family budget is an issue for the UK and most in general don't seem to have too big an issue for it as it generates billions in tourism. As someone who leans the otherway, I couldn't give a rats.

The UK just showed BJ after 6mths of bumbling in govt, they love him, so I don't think its for you or I to say that is not what they need and what we certainly know it wasn't Corbyn. Never before have a seen a national Op leader so disconnected with the people and I thought Shorten was bad.

No, I'm not a fan of BJ, he looks too much like Trump, but I feel BJ is in because he was decisive and wants to get on with the job and very clear in this. Corbyn is and was not and bringing back outdated polices like Shorten was doing was the nail in the coffin.

The people will get another say in 5y, we will see then if BJ has done what the people want.
  Groundrelay Chief Commissioner

Location: Surrounded by Trolls!
Yeah Aaron, they can say that. But like so many, they have not given an evidence based reason as to why Britain will be better off when every UK Govt Treasury indicator states that the UK economy will shrink anything from 2% to 8 %. But hell your Polish Grandma reckons....

Boris Johnson is a no mark of the highest order, a man of little integrity who was a remainer but went to leave because that was the only way he could assume the leadership of the Conservative Party.

Boris Johnson is a man who would kick you in the nuts and say that your willy did it. Britain is in for a torrid time. I hope I am wrong.


Michael
mejhammers1
Now he has to make it happen. Laughing

It's the mentality of the 1930's and it's spreading globally. The Austrian Paper Hanger did deliver for the average Aryan German pre-WW2, something which this latest batch of great white hopes won't be able to do.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@RTT_Rules Re-Nationalising the Railways would not be such a bad thing considering the Dutch and German National railways run some of the franchises in the UK. Britain pays the highest fares on the continent and the franchising system is so fragmented that it is broken.

The UK or rather England must get away from forelock tugging. Austerity measures that unequally affect the poor and yet 0.5 billion can be found to renovate Buck house and taxpayers were going to bankroll Princess Beatrice's wedding.

Much as I dislike Corbyn, Boris Johnson and his merry band of complete a...holes isn't what the UK needs. To think that Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dominic Raab will have the interests of the working class at heart, is naive to the extreme.

Michael
I'm not overly against Govt Monopoly's but don't think we are going back to the dark old days of a heavily unionised work force doing as they want. It will be Govt Leadership with contracting out left right and centre everything from Ops to IT.

The fares have been set by the govt and if I recall were never cheap before. The higher fares in London means the Tube runs around 50% subsidy if I recall, so probably about right.

The UK Royal family budget is an issue for the UK and most in general don't seem to have too big an issue for it as it generates billions in tourism. As someone who leans the otherway, I couldn't give a rats.

The UK just showed BJ after 6mths of bumbling in govt, they love him, so I don't think its for you or I to say that is not what they need and what we certainly know it wasn't Corbyn. Never before have a seen a national Op leader so disconnected with the people and I thought Shorten was bad.

No, I'm not a fan of BJ, he looks too much like Trump, but I feel BJ is in because he was decisive and wants to get on with the job and very clear in this. Corbyn is and was not and bringing back outdated polices like Shorten was doing was the nail in the coffin.

The people will get another say in 5y, we will see then if BJ has done what the people want.
RTT_Rules
Only half the fares is set by Government the other half is set by the Franchisee. The Tube basically pays for itself, it covers all its subsidy.

The UK People or rather the English do not have an issue, because they are forelock tuggers.

See you are picking sides again. I cannot stand Boris Johnson, you know as well as I do if an Australian Pollie had done what Johnson has done and I can got through a catalogue of them, you and many others would be screaming blue murder. Johnson is a two faced bumbling piece of crap. A member of a Tory Government who forcibly repatriated 80 innocent people of West Indian descent out of the UK. They lost their jobs, their houses, their entitlements, because of some jumped up regulation from a Home Secretary on a mission. I have heard that Priti Patel, a minister who had to resign because she lied to Parliament is worse.

Boris decisive, do us a favour RTT. He voted against May's withdrawal agreement 3 times. Stated he would die in a ditch rather than vote for it, then lo he votes for it. He said he would not sign the Brexit extension. But he then signed it. And he ran away from having debates. So add being a coward as well. No amount of spin will disguise the fact that he would throw anyone under the bus to realize his naked ambition. He would kick you in the nuts and swear blind that your willy had done it. Johnson has absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever except he is the finest purveyor of bluster and BS. He is blowing smoke up the collective rear of the UK public. And they swallowed it on the alter of Brexit.

But all of the above does not make me a fan of Corbyn. I have stated many times that Corbyn is utterly useless and as weak as pi$$. They should have installed Emily Thornberry as leader. He is thoroughly disconnected from the UK public. Him and has band of lunatic momentum followers were totally on the nose of the UK public. He thought he could get a better Brexit, he could not. He is a complete ar$e for steering the Labour Party essentially a remain party to the lunacy of Brexit. A limp wristed version, to go with his rather limp wristed personality.

I was rooting for Jo Swinson and the Lib Dems because they are a remain party. And they RTT would be better for the country then Boris Flaming Johnson and his bunch of despicables.

Boris Johnson with a huge mandate is very dangerous indeed.


Michael
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Now he has to make it happen. Laughing

It's the mentality of the 1930's and it's spreading globally. The Austrian Paper Hanger did deliver for the average Aryan German pre-WW2, something which this latest batch of great white hopes won't be able to do.
Groundrelay
LOL, invoke Hitler when all else fails.

No, what happened was the the British people unequivocally rejected the politically-correct gender-neutral carbon-free all-inclusive diversity message and wanted unity instead. Never better expressed than in this single advert that prompted one of the biggest electoral losses in UK history:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQo7vzLpx2Y

Honestly, who could vote for that bag of barf? And they didn't.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Now he has to make it happen. Laughing

It's the mentality of the 1930's and it's spreading globally. The Austrian Paper Hanger did deliver for the average Aryan German pre-WW2, something which this latest batch of great white hopes won't be able to do.
LOL, invoke Hitler when all else fails.

No, what happened was the the British people unequivocally rejected the politically-correct gender-neutral carbon-free all-inclusive diversity message and wanted unity instead. Never better expressed than in this single advert that prompted one of the biggest electoral losses in UK history:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQo7vzLpx2Y

Honestly, who could vote for that bag of barf? And they didn't.
don_dunstan
There is nothing inherently wrong with what Dawn Butler has said. How can you have unity if you do not recognise that communities are made up of many diverse people? Whether you like it or not certain communities are being discriminated against and they need to be protected.

Labour lost because Jeremy Corbyn is a complete idiot and Brexit. Not because Dawn Butler is preaching tolerance.

ffs

Michael
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
mehjammers1, Dan and Don (who like the post) got some numbers on those UK fares being the highest in continental Europe? - Which incidentally while you’re at it could you also advise of a source that even places the UK in continental Europe, because, well, I am in continental Europe right now, and the UK ain’t smeg here.

The UK enjoys some actually quite cheap fares (thanks actually to acts of the parliament under the near universally hated BR days).
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

mehjammers1, Dan and Don (who like the post) got some numbers on those UK fares being the highest in continental Europe? - Which incidentally while you’re at it could you also advise of a source that even places the UK in continental Europe, because, well, I am in continental Europe right now, and the UK ain’t smeg here.

The UK enjoys some actually quite cheap fares (thanks actually to acts of the parliament under the near universally hated BR days).
Aaron
OK UK isnt in Continental Europe, but you know what I mean.

Now Journeys between 100 - 150 Miles

Marseille - Nice 29 Pounds

Milan - Bologna 16 Pounds

London - Bristol 96 Pounds

I can quote more.

Can you name the some cheap fares


Michael
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Quite some more, I just checked GWR London to Bristol and was quoted £35 about a third of your price.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@Aaron All the fares I have quoted are walk on standard fares. I bet the 35 pound fare is subject to restrictions. And even then it is 7 pounds more than the next priciest standard fare.

Michael
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
There is nothing inherently wrong with what Dawn Butler has said. How can you have unity if you do not recognise that communities are made up of many diverse people? Whether you like it or not certain communities are being discriminated against and they need to be protected.

Labour lost because Jeremy Corbyn is a complete idiot and Brexit. Not because Dawn Butler is preaching tolerance.

ffs

Michael
mejhammers1
If you don't see that 60-second advert as part of what was seriously wrong with UK Labour then there's no hope for you.

People looked at that message of inclusiveness, tolerance and diversity and they voted the opposite. Do you think that might be because they're sick of being told that they're white, racist and bigoted?
  don_dunstan The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Adelaide proud
Hey Michael, I know that last post will be guaranteed to stir you up - however it's got resonance. Even if you're part of one of the minorities that she rattled off in that sixty-second speech you're probably more concerned about your immediate economic existence than (potentially) going toward a nanny-state society with free broadband for everyone, massive increases in state benefits, re-nationalisation en masse (for some reason) and a huge increase in taxes to pay for it all. Like with 'climate change' people who lead a hand-to-mouth existence are more concerned with paying the electricity bills, getting paid enough work and money to survive on, etc.

Dawn Butler's speech was nicely scripted but what were they really offering - more delays on Brexit, basically, but also a really radical tax-and-spend agenda that even traditional Labour Party voters weren't the least bit interested in. Same with Shorten here in Australia - lots of radical action on 'climate change' but really nothing in it for the seven million or so people in this country leading a strictly hand-to-mouth existence. Certainly no action on creating jobs for those people.

So what motivation did anyone have to vote for them?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Don, make of this as you will. Given the landslide to BoJo and the conservatives, it wasn't just the White, racist and bigoted who voted that way.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

@don_dunstan I and many others have not called all white people racist. Only the racist ones. If you cant see that then I cannot help you. If you think that making everyone inclusive in society no matter what their religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation is the reason why loads of Brits are in the poor house than I cannot help you. You know Governments can look after the economy and make sure that no one is discriminated against. It isn't mutually exclusive.

Brexit and Corbyn was the elephant in this election. I cannot stand Corbyn. I wanted Ms Swinson least not because I did not want another rich old Tory white dude running the country. Rich Tory old white dudes only look after rich old Tory white dudes. It has always been that way. The working class will find that out quick smart.

Turkeys voting for Christmas. And it is all Jeremy Corbyn's fault.

Michael

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