Ballarat Line upgrades underway

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 20 Nov 2017 12:49
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A colleague of mine also caught the UP Wendouree train this morning to SCS and when asked what the new track was like he responded by not sure I slept all the way. Smile
bevans

Stayed awake on the return to Wendouree and reported it was a smooth run.

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  david harvey Junior Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
Whats  BTW ????

See "BTW Anthony's" in The Vinelander's post;  it means "Buttered Toast With Anthony's"
Valvegear
Buttered Toast With Anthony's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      its unheard of....... I'II have to ask my butler what the devil it all means.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
To be serious (for once!) BTW = By The Way.
  david harvey Junior Train Controller

Location: Bairnsdale
To be serious (for once!) BTW = By The Way.
Valvegear
Thank you Valvegear. My faith in Mankind has been restored
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

Being an old coot, I always understood them to be called check rails.
Valvegear
Hey VG, I've written about this at least a couple of times in the past.

Check rails are attached to the running rails. On the SG network the space between the gauge face of the running rail and the near face of the check rail is 44mm, with a tolerance of +/- 3mm. Check rails are designed to contact the back of the wheel and literally 'check' the wheel - helping it to stay on the running rail. They are found in turnouts opposite the crossing to prevent wheels getting lost at the gap in the crossing, also are found on very sharp curves.

Guard rails are placed typically 100 - 200mm from the running rail. They are designed to help control a derailed vehicle, with the intention of keeping the derailed vehicle 'in line' with the track, and not take an excursion off to the side. They are typically found on underbridges, and more recently under overbridges
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Being an old coot, I always understood them to be called check rails.
Hey VG, I've written about this at least a couple of times in the past.

Check rails are attached to the running rails. On the SG network the space between the gauge face of the running rail and the near face of the check rail is 44mm, with a tolerance of +/- 3mm. Check rails are designed to contact the back of the wheel and literally 'check' the wheel - helping it to stay on the running rail. They are found in turnouts opposite the crossing to prevent wheels getting lost at the gap in the crossing, also are found on very sharp curves.

Guard rails are placed typically 100 - 200mm from the running rail. They are designed to help control a derailed vehicle, with the intention of keeping the derailed vehicle 'in line' with the track, and not take an excursion off to the side. They are typically found on underbridges, and more recently under overbridges
Lockspike
I agree on the guard rail v check rail thing re check rails being part of a turnout. (Perhaps it all depends on where you we brought up????.) SmileSmile

I thought that there was (maybe still is) a school of thought in some circles intent on removing guard rails as 'an necessary complication' ie maintenance cost?
  LancedDendrite Chief Commissioner

Location: North Haverbrook; where the monorail is king!
I thought that there was (maybe still is) a school of thought in some circles intent on removing guard rails as 'an necessary complication' ie maintenance cost?
YM-Mundrabilla
Rationalising (i.e removing) legacy turnouts is still seen by some of the more myopic members of the managerial mob to be a useful cost-saving measure. Check rails however appear to have greatly proliferated in recent years and are now present on a great many bridges and underpasses.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Getting back to Ballarat for a moment, it was interesting to see on approach to Rockbank Platform 1 in the UP direction, the new north track, an illuminated '130' sign then on departure from Rockbank and after the adjacent level crossing a blue board with '160'.

Looks like it was easier to implement a permanent speed restriction than to upgrade around 1.5 Km of track that was the old Rockbank loop.

Will also be interesting to see...going forward how this blip in the line speed goes..or doesn't..

Mike.
  Lockspike Deputy Commissioner

I agree on the guard rail v check rail thing re check rails being part of a turnout. (Perhaps it all depends on where you we brought up????.) SmileSmile

I thought that there was (maybe still is) a school of thought in some circles intent on removing guard rails as 'an necessary complication' ie maintenance cost?
YM-Mundrabilla
Yard Master, Yes there are regional differences. Railways that were/are influenced by Nth American practice often refer to guard rails as check rails, but then use the term 'check rail' in turnouts (or should we say, "switches"????).

I believe ARTC think guard rails are superfluous.
They'll change their mind just as soon as they lose a train over a bridge, or knock a bridge down.
Granted, these things don't happen often, but when they do they tend to have nasty consequences.

I wonder if ARTC performed a risk assessment to inform their decision...
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
While on Facebook I noticed that the lifts and overpass at Ballan are now open so I went there today to have a look and take some photos. The station is looking good, but track for platform 2 isn't connected yet.

https://flic.kr/p/2hZ8Yj2

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  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Gee that new overpass at Ballan really sticks out like a hideously sore thumb. Same goes for the one at Bacchus Marsh.

Would it have killed them to put a bit of colour into these structures? A bit of red at Ballan and a bit of green at Bacchus Marsh wouldn't have cost anything extra and would have blended these new pieces into the existing environment in a much tidier way.

I mean, I'm glad they've been built, but why do they have to look so drab?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Gee that new overpass at Ballan really sticks out like a hideously sore thumb. Same goes for the one at Bacchus Marsh.

Would it have killed them to put a bit of colour into these structures? A bit of red at Ballan and a bit of green at Bacchus Marsh wouldn't have cost anything extra and would have blended these new pieces into the existing environment in a much tidier way.

I mean, I'm glad they've been built, but why do they have to look so drab?
Gman_86
Yes the new expansion works are not very pleasing on the eye at all.

Pedestrian underpasses (like Cardina Road, Morwell, Tarneit, Seymour, etc) would of been a lot more practical and would mostly be hidden from the nearby streetscape.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Yes, we put up a very strong argument for a subway at Ballan,but underneath the top soil...solid basalt. Bluestone that would rival the 'cladding' on the ancient pyramids for longevity.

As a local, I don't mind it now I've adapted to it and with the well tended garden, we'll keep it looking OK once some time has passed.

Later I'll be advocating for a station makeover as the roof and die-cast roof guttering needs attention etc.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
3 car sets on the UP this morning from Ballarat.  What is going on now with Vline?
  Lockie91 Chief Train Controller

Mike,

I’m pretty disappointed that they have not touched Platform 1 or given the beautiful old station building a lick of paint and a clean up. Wouldn’t of taken much with the workforce on site for the last few months.

Let’s hope it doesn’t take to long for you to get the roof replaced.

Lockie
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Mike,

I’m pretty disappointed that they have not touched Platform 1 or given the beautiful old station building a lick of paint and a clean up. Wouldn’t of taken much with the workforce on site for the last few months.

Let’s hope it doesn’t take to long for you to get the roof replaced.

Lockie
Lockie91

Actual station improvements/restoration were unfortunately not part of the scope of the BLU project.

Mike.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
This thread a great read thx to all.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Gee that new overpass at Ballan really sticks out like a hideously sore thumb. Same goes for the one at Bacchus Marsh.

Would it have killed them to put a bit of colour into these structures? A bit of red at Ballan and a bit of green at Bacchus Marsh wouldn't have cost anything extra and would have blended these new pieces into the existing environment in a much tidier way.

I mean, I'm glad they've been built, but why do they have to look so drab?
Gman_86
Well Gman perhaps beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.

These days there's probably 101 different things that have to be complied with and as long as it's functional, wheather you or I like it neither here nor there.

Not sure if I like it but don't not like it. These types of station seem to be the norm these days.

The middle daughter last weekend moved over here to this NON - Convict Colony and is residing down at Seaford Meadows so I caught the train from our small but palatial mansion here in St Clair into the city and lept aboard the Seaford train disembarking at the Seaford Meadows station and it seems to be of very similar design as Ballan or the Wendouree staions, they seem to love the over pass and lifts as the standard operation.

The Seaford station however was clean no rubbish, the lift was very clean didn't stink or have any vile substances inside, I didn't over load the lift so I was quite impressed and unperturbed about it's looks.

However great pictures of the works going on by all, well done.

BigShunter.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
I noticed this morning as we sped through Cobblebank that the trees that have been planted as part of the landscaping works around the station car park have started to 'disappear' leaving the stakes supporting nothing.

This kind of activity only reinforces the mentality of the local population... one bad apple etc. and the disdain I hold of the population of that part of the West that has little in the way of community pride or community ownership.

Meanwhile in Ballan we have our tended and virtually weed free station garden well established, with further landscaping planned around the pine trees area on the south side and to top it off, three semi-mature almond trees currently in full fruit adjacent to the existing car park.

Mike.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Mike, it is wonderful to have a lovely garden at a railway station.  When touring Sri lanka last year virtually every railway station had a beautiful garden attached and was well maintained.

There is also the lovely garden at Violet Town or Euroa IIRC.  Lovely in the spring.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
In the old VR days, I believe stations were encouraged to have well maintained gardens and station surrounds.  I think there was an annual competition for "best station", and the VR had its own nursery somewhere (can't remember where), from which stations could draw plants.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
In the old VR days, I believe stations were encouraged to have well maintained gardens and station surrounds.  I think there was an annual competition for "best station", and the VR had its own nursery somewhere (can't remember where), from which stations could draw plants.
Lad_Porter
Wasn't the VR Nursery adjacent to the DOWN end of the bridge at Flemington Bridge on the UP side or was it at Arden Street? I am not sure but favour the Flemington Bridge site.
Someone will know?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Yes, we put up a very strong argument for a subway at Ballan,but underneath the top soil...solid basalt. Bluestone that would rival the 'cladding' on the ancient pyramids for longevity.

As a local, I don't mind it now I've adapted to it and with the well tended garden, we'll keep it looking OK once some time has passed.

Later I'll be advocating for a station makeover as the roof and die-cast roof guttering needs attention etc.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Just be careful that they don't replace the old guttering with cheapskate galvanised or, worse, plastic.
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

Some nice updating photos appearing in the RP Gallery over Ballan works.

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I have created a collection in the gallery for you guys: https://www.railpage.com.au/photos/collection/ballarat-railway
bevans
Took the train through to Ballarat yesterday. Some impressive stuff here Bevans.

But they really do need to get the new Ballan passing loop operational. As not having it slows down the up service to Melbourne quite significantly. As I discovered when my service to SCS slowed to 50kph on the fast track section that runs direct to Ballan. (So not via the Bungaree section) Incidentally, will the Bungaree section still be used after the new Ballan lop is operational?

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