Future of Overland train service in doubt

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 25 Nov 2019 19:16
  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Yep nothing loading at all for JAN2020
bevans
Very sad state of affairs
I would have thought that a service with a history such as the Overland has , even if it is not now economically "viable ". deserves to have a formal announcement made of it`s ceasing if only to mark the occasion for history`s sake .

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  Crossover Train Controller

Location: St. Albans Victoria
Yep nothing loading at all for JAN2020
Very sad state of affairs
I would have thought that a service with a history such as the Overland has , even if it is not now economically "viable ". deserves to have a formal announcement made of it`s ceasing if only to mark the occasion for history`s sake .
  Trans-Siberian Station Master

Location: Krasnoyarsk, Siberia
Yep nothing loading at all for JAN2020
Very sad state of affairs
I would have thought that a service with a history such as the Overland has , even if it is not now economically "viable ". deserves to have a formal announcement made of it`s ceasing if only to mark the occasion for history`s sake .
Crossover

"Very sad state of affairs
I would have thought that a service with a history such as the Overland has , even if it is not now economically "viable ". deserves to have a formal announcement made of it`s ceasing if only to mark the occasion for history`s sake ."



What else can one expect from a society that bleats the Greta Thunberg message to take action about climate change by shaming flying and taking the train....

....but alas; those who can make a difference have NEVER had a train experience other than in a Metro sardine can....from University to Home or Home to Office and back:roll: ...!
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
No more Overland - lo, how the once-mighty has fallen.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Yep nothing loading at all for JAN2020
Very sad state of affairs
I would have thought that a service with a history such as the Overland has , even if it is not now economically "viable ". deserves to have a formal announcement made of it`s ceasing if only to mark the occasion for history`s sake .
Crossover
As well as a formal announcement, there should be an official "last run" event, with an appropriate banner on the loco for at least some of the time.  If this "last run" is properly advertised and promoted, it would be interesting to see how many pax turn up for it

Any "last run" would probably have to be in one direction only ...... a matter of where they want the rolling stock to finish up?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Daniel Andrews is very silent about this hoping the problem will go away?
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Yep nothing loading at all for JAN2020
Very sad state of affairs
I would have thought that a service with a history such as the Overland has , even if it is not now economically "viable ". deserves to have a formal announcement made of it`s ceasing if only to mark the occasion for history`s sake .
As well as a formal announcement, there should be an official "last run" event, with an appropriate banner on the loco for at least some of the time.  If this "last run" is properly advertised and promoted, it would be interesting to see how many pax turn up for it

Any "last run" would probably have to be in one direction only ...... a matter of where they want the rolling stock to finish up?
Lad_Porter

Given that all the rolling stock is based in Adelaide the current last run will be on the 31st of December. Get your tickets now!
  spg72 Station Staff

Seems everyone is clambering for seats on the last few services - I tried to book and most dates are fully booked or close to it!
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Seems everyone is clambering for seats on the last few services - I tried to book and most dates are fully booked or close to it!
spg72
The service Adelaide-Melbourne is almost booked out for the 23rd leaving only two trains left to Melbourne on 27 and 30 December; perhaps word has got around that these are the last services.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

As a comparison, the XPT doesn't seem to be be under threat, what's the difference, similar distance, why does it seem to be operating ok ?

Still observing from a distant otherside of the glass......Razz

BigShunter.
BigShunter

Population and a government run operation.

Albury Wodonga - 93,000
Wagga Wagga - 56,000
Goulburn - 23,000
Southern Highlands - 57,000
Wangaratta - 19,000

Private companies need to make money whereas a government organisation doesn't. The XPT and the future regional train will be run by the NSW Government since there is no private organisation interested in running the service. The future of such a service as the overland depends on how many long distance vlo's will be built by Victoria and if vline are actually interested in providing such a service.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
As a comparison, the XPT doesn't seem to be be under threat, what's the difference, similar distance, why does it seem to be operating ok ?

Still observing from a distant otherside of the glass......Razz

BigShunter.

Population and a government run operation.

Albury Wodonga - 93,000
Wagga Wagga - 56,000
Goulburn - 23,000
Southern Highlands - 57,000
Wangaratta - 19,000

Private companies need to make money whereas a government organisation doesn't. The XPT and the future regional train will be run by the NSW Government since there is no private organisation interested in running the service. The future of such a service as the overland depends on how many long distance vlo's will be built by Victoria and if vline are actually interested in providing such a service.
simstrain

I wouldn't be surprised if at least Melbourne - Nhill is done buy a couple of Velocities in the not too distant future.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland


I wouldn't be surprised if at least Melbourne - Nhill is done buy a couple of Velocities in the not too distant future.
Fatty
As explained many times before, not a chance of this happening.

V/Line can't keep up with passenger demand on their existing commuter services.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner


I wouldn't be surprised if at least Melbourne - Nhill is done buy a couple of Velocities in the not too distant future.
As explained many times before, not a chance of this happening.

V/Line can't keep up with passenger demand on their existing commuter services.
Nightfire
Plus no VLP  DMU's without ALL  level crossings occupation crossings and any ever used goat tracks all fitted with booms at $  500k each .
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Journey Beyond are taking e-mail details for bookings up until the end of March - I presume this is some sort of wait list?

Certainly at the weekend there was more than a rumour it has been given a reprieve until 31/3/20 to allow for further negotiation on its future. That said, Journey Beyond/The Govt are certainly cutting it fine with some sort of official announcement.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne

I wouldn't be surprised if at least Melbourne - Nhill is done buy a couple of Velocities in the not too distant future.As explained many times before, not a chance of this happening.

V/Line can't keep up with passenger demand on their existing commuter services.
Plus no VLP  DMU's without ALL  level crossings occupation crossings and any ever used goat tracks all fitted with booms at $  500k each .
kuldalai

Not too many level crossing left without booms on that corridor these days.
  justapassenger Chief Commissioner


I wouldn't be surprised if at least Melbourne - Nhill is done buy a couple of Velocities in the not too distant future.As explained many times before, not a chance of this happening.

V/Line can't keep up with passenger demand on their existing commuter services.Plus no VLP  DMU's without ALL  level crossings occupation crossings and any ever used goat tracks all fitted with booms at $  500k each .

Not too many level crossing left without booms on that corridor these days.
Fatty
You reckon?

Horsham to Dimboola alone has many, at least 8 according to the current SA Track And Signal line diagrams (1 of which has lights but no booms) but possibly as many as 11 according to the Google Street View imagery along the Western Highway which was captured fairly recently in 2017.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Not too many level crossing left without booms on that corridor these days.
Fatty
Fatty I rooted out this info from the 2017 Western Rail Report thingy; could be a few more than ya reckon. Page 68.

Table 26:  Level crossings between Ararat and Horsham showing current protection arrangements
Level crossings Ararat to Horsham – current protection

Therefore, if VLocity or similar railcars were required to operate on this corridor, it is likely that at least 49 out of 59 level crossings on this corridor would need to be upgraded.

There's a graph but won't copy in the right format to show a break down of the various type of crossing protection.

BigShunter.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Not too many level crossing left without booms on that corridor these days.
Fatty I rooted out this info from the 2017 Western Rail Report thingy; could be a few more than ya reckon. Page 68.

Table 26:  Level crossings between Ararat and Horsham showing current protection arrangements
Level crossings Ararat to Horsham – current protection

Therefore, if VLocity or similar railcars were required to operate on this corridor, it is likely that at least 49 out of 59 level crossings on this corridor would need to be upgraded.

There's a graph but won't copy in the right format to show a break down of the various type of crossing protection.

file:///F:/Barwon_Grampians_SW_FINAL_REPORT.pdf

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Can't see that doc but just had a look at the most recent ARTC NIB (2016) and yes, there are a lot the other side of Ararat. I was more thinking of Melbourne to Ararat. Guess it will have to be N Class on the front then.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

The link links to the hard disk of his computer.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
The link links to the hard disk of his computer.
route14
AHHHH Hell, thanks route14 Rolling Eyes so be carefully what you look at !

Yep I have it on a USB

BigShunter.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Fatty I rooted out this info from the 2017 Western Rail Report thingy; could be a few more than ya reckon. Page 68.

Table 26:  Level crossings between Ararat and Horsham showing current protection arrangements
Level crossings Ararat to Horsham – current protection

Therefore, if VLocity or similar railcars were required to operate on this corridor, it is likely that at least 49 out of 59 level crossings on this corridor would need to be upgraded.
BigShunter

Another reason why you would not run Vlocity and would stay with some new cars and a loco hauled service which would work just fine.  What would Horsham be in terms of a trip length in time?  5 hours?
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Fatty I rooted out this info from the 2017 Western Rail Report thingy; could be a few more than ya reckon. Page 68.

Table 26:  Level crossings between Ararat and Horsham showing current protection arrangements
Level crossings Ararat to Horsham – current protection

Therefore, if VLocity or similar railcars were required to operate on this corridor, it is likely that at least 49 out of 59 level crossings on this corridor would need to be upgraded.

Another reason why you would not run Vlocity and would stay with some new cars and a loco hauled service which would work just fine.  What would Horsham be in terms of a trip length in time?  5 hours?
bevans
About 4.5.
  Lad_Porter Chief Commissioner

Location: Yarra Glen
Assuming some kind of replacement service eventuates, would it be all on SG (via North Geelong) or would it be a change to BG at Ararat and then via Ballarat?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Well weather we are going to travel on the Overland or V'Lo is in the future and in the mean time we have this one sailing through Horsham and looks to be out Dooen Rd nearish the edge of town.

https://www.facebook.com/abcwimmera/videos/440433906894311/

Flogged from Wimmera ABC Facebook and thanks to Tony Ward for the video.

BigShunter.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Very neat consist reminiscent of days of old:

  • The SoP (Spirit of Progress) 1937-1962 (BG)
  • The Wegmann train of the 1950s
  • The Indian Pacific in the 1970s
  • The Overland for some of its life on BG
  • The Intercapital Daylight BG and SG during the break of gauge at Albury

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