Future of Overland train service in doubt

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 25 Nov 2019 19:16
  C2 Junior Train Controller

We don't discuss tourism at the towns between Melbourne and Adelaide like the  Rail Trail at  Stawell, what else would you like to see in the Mallee, Wimmera regions.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There's a rail trail at Stawell?
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
The silo art trail at disused silos from Sheephills to Patchewollock.   A lot of grey nomads spend a couple of days in the area.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There's a rail trail at Stawell?
bevans
A rail trail Is been developed a long the old Stawell - Heatherlie Quarry line

https://www.railtrails.org.au/trail?view=trail&id=163
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There's a rail trail at Stawell?
A rail trail Is been developed a long the old Stawell - Heatherlie Quarry line

https://www.railtrails.org.au/trail?view=trail&id=163
Nightfire
Can't be bothered Googling it now but the local secondary college and the council pitched in to get it completed not long ago - there's been an issue over who should pay to maintain it though. Sounds like a great bike ride though - perhaps another reason to bring a V/line N-hauled service back to the Wimmera.
  WimmeraJack Station Staff

There is only a very short section of the entire old Heatherlie line that has been set up as a rail trail.  And the western end of this it is through private property.  This is no longer accessible as I am led to believe the owner of the property will not allow passage by participants.

John
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There is only a very short section of the entire old Heatherlie line that has been set up as a rail trail.  And the western end of this it is through private property.  This is no longer accessible as I am led to believe the owner of the property will not allow passage by participants.

John
WimmeraJack
Looks like there Is more Interest to establish a pathway linking Stawell to Halls Gap rather than going to Heatherlie Quarry
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
There is only a very short section of the entire old Heatherlie line that has been set up as a rail trail.  And the western end of this it is through private property.  This is no longer accessible as I am led to believe the owner of the property will not allow passage by participants.

John
WimmeraJack
Bothering to actually Google some things yielded some results. Bicycle Victoria's latest maps show that it extends from Stawell not far from the shores of Lake Lonsdale but only about 1/3 of the way to the quarry. Doesn't deviate towards Halls Gap at all which I didn't realise until I actually had a look - here's the link for anyone interested: https://www.railtrails.org.au/index.php?option=com_railtrails&view=trail&id=163&Itemid=242

There was also a Stawell Times 2017 article about (what I presume is) the existing section to Lake Lonsdale - having read about this before (and I'm open for correction) but the problem was that nobody wanted to take responsibility for maintaining that section - let alone any extensions further towards Halls Gap or the former quarry at Heatherlie.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Isn't it time that we let the poor old Overland of today die? It is nothing but a shadow of, and a disgrace to, the REAL Overland of each and every night for so long. Two engines, 18 vehicles on occasions, second divisions and connections to the West.

Come the SG Vlocitys a 'proper' service to Adelaide should be run but as to when and by whom who knows. Perhaps Vline could (could not!) run such a service or, alternatively, GSR (whatever they are called that day) should buy or lease a couple of Vlocity sets and run a professional service which would make a profit.

Hope no-one dies laughing ................... Smile
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Isn't it time that we let the poor old Overland of today die? It is nothing but a shadow of, and a disgrace to, the REAL Overland of each and every night for so long. Two engines, 18 vehicles on occasions, second divisions and connections to the West.

Come the SG Vlocitys a 'proper' service to Adelaide should be run but as to when and by whom who knows. Perhaps Vline could (could not!) run such a service or, alternatively, GSR (whatever they are called that day) should buy or lease a couple of Vlocity sets and run a professional service which would make a profit.

Hope no-one dies laughing ................... Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
This has been debated ad nauseum. The issues are to do with the track belonging to ARTC and the number of unprotected crossings (can't use Vlocity cars) and the fact that the SA government really doesn't want to bother with a rail service to Melbourne any longer.

Even reinstatement of services back to the Wimmera would cost a fortune - modification of the stops up to modern DDA standards, rolling stock. Also faced with the change-of-gauge issue meaning no direct services to where many people want to go.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Isn't it time that we let the poor old Overland of today die? It is nothing but a shadow of, and a disgrace to, the REAL Overland of each and every night for so long. Two engines, 18 vehicles on occasions, second divisions and connections to the West.

Come the SG Vlocitys a 'proper' service to Adelaide should be run but as to when and by whom who knows. Perhaps Vline could (could not!) run such a service or, alternatively, GSR (whatever they are called that day) should buy or lease a couple of Vlocity sets and run a professional service which would make a profit.

Hope no-one dies laughing ................... Smile
This has been debated ad nauseum. The issues are to do with the track belonging to ARTC and the number of unprotected crossings (can't use Vlocity cars) and the fact that the SA government really doesn't want to bother with a rail service to Melbourne any longer.

Even reinstatement of services back to the Wimmera would cost a fortune - modification of the stops up to modern DDA standards, rolling stock. Also faced with the change-of-gauge issue meaning no direct services to where many people want to go.
don_dunstan
Would seem Qld managed the LX issue for the RTT and no issue install full boom gates along the entire corridor to Rocky.

The current train runs via SG, the V/locity version should also follow the same. If some people need to change trains at Ararat then so be it, its a railway, that's what stations are for.

Its all doable and been done before if demand is there.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


Hope no-one dies laughing ................... Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_deaths_from_laughter
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Would seem Qld managed the LX issue for the RTT and no issue install full boom gates along the entire corridor to Rocky.
RTT_Rules
The Commonwealth owns the corridor, the VIC government will be running the service. Who pays?
The current train runs via SG, the V/locity version should also follow the same. If some people need to change trains at Ararat then so be it, its a railway, that's what stations are for. Its all doable and been done before if demand is there.
RTT_Rules
Again, who pays. The SA government isn't the least bit interested, the Commonwealth could potentially tip in but I doubt it.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Word is that the Overland has a 3 month extension while discussions continue.
  don_dunstan Minister for Railways

Location: Adelaide proud
Word is that the Overland has a 3 month extension while discussions continue.
Fatty
In the meantime any prospective travellers can't book. Stop mucking around and just cancel the damn thing.
  Valvegear Dr Beeching

Location: Norda Fittazroy
The three month period, for which we can't book, will be used as evidence that there are not enough passengers to warrant retaining the service.
Sir Humphrey would be proud of such an initiative.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

You mean trains will be running empty during the three month extended operation?  It's getting ridiculous.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Would seem Qld managed the LX issue for the RTT and no issue install full boom gates along the entire corridor to Rocky.
The Commonwealth owns the corridor, the VIC government will be running the service. Who pays?
The current train runs via SG, the V/locity version should also follow the same. If some people need to change trains at Ararat then so be it, its a railway, that's what stations are for. Its all doable and been done before if demand is there.
Again, who pays. The SA government isn't the least bit interested, the Commonwealth could potentially tip in but I doubt it.
don_dunstan
Should be obvious. Vic Govt / V/line pay for all their own infrastructure and support services on the NE line, would would this be any different?

Or simply run displaced N-class services when V/locities take over elsewhere.

If SA doesn't want to contribute then the V/locity doesn't cross the border. Currently the only reason this happens is because the operator is based in Adelaide.

The Fed's are not in the business of running long haul pax trains.

Its not rocket science.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
You mean trains will be running empty during the three month extended operation?  It's getting ridiculous.
"route14"


So based on a rumor, nothing in the media or official we are assuming they will run trains empty?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The three month period, for which we can't book, will be used as evidence that there are not enough passengers to warrant retaining the service.
Sir Humphrey would be proud of such an initiative.
Valvegear
Its a rumor, nothing to see here.
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The three month period, for which we can't book, will be used as evidence that there are not enough passengers to warrant retaining the service.
Sir Humphrey would be proud of such an initiative.
Its a rumor, nothing to see here.
RTT_Rules
It came from the train manager of the Overland yesterday so you treat the information as you see fit.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

So what's the extended period about?  Extended period of train operation or just an extended period of negotiation with governments without train operation?
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
So what's the extended period about?  Extended period of train operation or just an extended period of negotiation with governments without train operation?
route14
What do you reckon?
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
The three month period, for which we can't book, will be used as evidence that there are not enough passengers to warrant retaining the service.
Sir Humphrey would be proud of such an initiative.
Its a rumor, nothing to see here.
RTT_Rules

It's not a rumour.

However, the lack of any announcement does suggest the involved parties are having trouble signing off on the temporary arrangement
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Word is that the Overland has a 3 month extension while discussions continue.
In the meantime any prospective travellers can't book. Stop mucking around and just cancel the damn thing.
don_dunstan
'Stop mucking around and just cancel the damn thing.'

Agree just cancel the bloody thing.

It's an insult to the 'Overland' name. Run an N set until the SG Vlocitys become available (or borrow half the current Overland set) for the benefit of Victorian users and terminate it at Serviceton serving Victoria only. The South Australians don't want it or its passengers so why bust a gut to keep the thing running only to benefit a freeloading government and be criticised for the service that can be provided.

The pass holders got value for their money ...................

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